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Bob Schaffer needs a little lesson in American history. Or maybe just a lesson in political ideologies.
Michael Roberts of Westword has the story:
Republican senatorial candidate Bob Schaffer needs a game-changer right now, given the size of Democratic opponent Mark Udall’s lead in most polls. So why not imply that liberals wanted to mollycoddle the Third Reich? That’s the apparent strategy behind his comments in the following video clip, in which Schaffer tells a voter that had left-wingers’ nefarious plot succeeded, we would all be “speaking German right now.” [rsb emphasis]
Maybe someone should let Bob know that it was the conservatives clamoring for isolationist policies in the lead up to World War II. If it hadn’t been for those “whining liberals” we might have let Hitler and the Axis completely crush Europe before we got involved. By then it would have been too late–and then we really might have been breaking out the lederhosen and brushing up on our Wagner operas.
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Victoria’s new secret.
FDR was the ultimate liberal. People called him a socialist.
All the things republicans hate were brought to us by FDR.
Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC)- government hired more than three million men to work on various projects because the free market was failing to provide jobs.
Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)- used the Tennessee River to provide electricity for the depressed area and created a government agency that exists to this day.
National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA)- created the Public Works Administration to provide aid to cities for construction and the National Recovery Administration to help businesseswhich provided more government jobs.
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)- corrected abuses which led to the stock market crash. Regulation of the invisible hand?
Works Progress Administration (WPA)- hired many people for a variety of projects including in the arts. More government jobs.
Social Security Act – Created the Social Security System, something the GOP wants to privatize.
And FDR acted against the conservatives who opposed lend lease.
apparantly Schaffer wishes we were still fighting in vietnam.
Yes. He’s not only a demagogue, but his record is more extreme than Dick Cheney!
The heart of the isolationist America First Committee was right wing republican though leading isolationship Burton K. Wheeler of Montana was a Democrat. Mr. Republican, Bob Taft, was firmly isolationist before Pearl Harbor.
please note, however, that leading Republicans like Wendell Willkie and William Allen White were interventionist.
The American Communist Party was militantly isolationist after the Hitler -Stalin pact, like the good little Stalinist toadies they were. After the invasion of the Soviet Union, of course, they became frantically frantically interventionist.
Verdict: American isolationism was a shameful but bipartisan thing. There is blame enough to go around. All hail then, the heroes like Willkie who put conscience above partisanship and Roosevelt, who found a way to keep England in the war until Pearl Harbor solved his political problems.
But don’t forget that notorious liberal Lindbergh.
Anne Morrow (“Nazism is the wave of the future” Lindbergh. These liberal swine have always plagued us.
It was Franklin D. Roosevelt’s (D) astute handling of domestic politics that allowed us to first help Britain stop Hitler and the Nazis and then after Pearl Harbor enter the war to utterly defeat them. It was the liberals who wanted to oppose Hitler. The conservatives were isolationists.
It should also be pointed out that it was the conservative Republicans who opposed the Marshall Plan after world War II which, if their opposition had been successful, would have meant that Western Europe would have been taken over by the Soviet Union. Unfortunately for the Republican right-wing fanatics, responsible Republican legislators like Senator Arthur Vandenburg of Michigan sided with President Truman and we helped save Europe a second time.
Schaffer’s statments that liberals lost Vietnam is utter nonsense. President Lyndon B. Johnson, one of the greatest liberals ever, is the one who got us into Vietnam. We left Vietnam not because of some liberal conspiracy, as Schafffer seem to suggest, but because the American people decided the war was a bad idea. When President Nixon was elected he realized that and began to extracate us from southeast Asia. Schaffer’s statement shows utter disregard and disrespect for the opinion of the American people and, frankly, his ignorance of historical facts.
When defeat is inevitable, you should try and do it with some class. He’s bound & determined to insure that no way, no how, will he every have a political future in this state.
ps – FDR had us in a shooting war with the Germans in the North Atlantic before Pearl harbor. And he was sending a Navy frigate to Malaysia on Dec. 6th when he was worried that the Japanese would only attack the British so that it would be sunk forcing the US into the war.
He also was key in building up the military industrial complex so that when we were thrust into the war, we were at a point where we could compete somewhat with the Axis military machine.
We went from Depression to Superpower in less than a decade.
My grandmother had an issue which I perused back in the mid eighties. I was astounded at how many companies were running ads saying things like, “If we go to war, we are ready.” Or, “Proud to be providing XXX to our allies fighting for peace, justice, and the ??? way.”
The frigate incident is described in “The New Dealer’s War”, I haven’t seen it anywhere else.
I have read about that in numerous books. I remember it because I grew up in Lanikai, HI and so the name always stuck.
Er redet immer ScheiГџdreck.
Answer: both.
Maybe Bob’s just channeling JFK
I’m told that is what people of Berlin mean by a “Berliner” just like when Americans say “hamburger” they don’t mean residents of that German Port. Still, I’m also told that Germans who heard that knew what JFK was trying to say (“I am a Denver Omelet”) and were thrilled at his support.
“Berliner” should be correct, like “Heidelberger” or “Hamburger” – indicating a resident of that particular town – I could be wrong. Cologne for instance is Koln in german, and a resident of that town is a Kolner IIRC.
And a schiesse bagen is just a shitbag, which is exactly what Bob Schaffer is.
that isn’t as well know is that it was also a case of bad grammar. Germans wouldn’t use the indefinite article “ein” that way; JFK should have said “Ich bin Berliner.”
That, of course, is really neither here nor there now, but I did take German in college and love to show off what little I learned.
And yes, you’re right, Berliner is the term for a Berlin resident. Just like Frankfurter, Wiener (Vienna in German is “Wien”), Hamburger…
I forgot the german I learned from Cath-22 Lt. Scheissekopt!
Seriously, I’ve been to Berlin a few times and they don’t call themselves “Berliners” any more than we call ourselves Denvertonians. What they call a “Berliner” is indeed a jelly doughnut. So, there is always a bit of Kidding about JFK saying “I am a jelly doughtnut”
That said, they knew exactly what he meant and took it in the spirit he meant it.
an urban legend:
(Ain’t it amazing how our scholars spend their time?)
“In fact, the opposite is true: The citizens of Berlin do refer to themselves as Berliner; what they do not refer to as Berliner are jelly doughnuts. While these are known as “Berliner” in other areas of Germany, they are simply called Pfannkuchen (pancakes) in and around Berlin.[10] Thus the merely theoretical ambiguity went unnoticed by Kennedy’s audience, as it did in Germany at large. In sum, “Ich bin ein Berliner” was the appropriate way to express in German what Kennedy meant to say.[11]
Anyway, we can all agree Bob Schaffer is a Denver Omelet. Doesn’t that have alot of ham in it?
…and sometimes heartburn to boot!
especially the Pfannkuchen part !
This is what I guess they call a “Berliner pfannkuchen”–pretty much a jelly doughnut:
But this is what I think of as a German pfannkuchen–a kind of a crepe sprinkled with sugar, sometimes with fruit added:
But, anyway–yeah, I’m glad I’m not forced to say “pfannkuchen” if I don’t wanna.
According to a downtown Denver historical marker: “The Denver omelet was developed to mask the stale flavor of eggs shipped by wagon freight.”
to divide the United States, should they win? So even if Schaffer were right about liberal isolationism, wouldn’t we all be speaking Japanese, not German, in Colorado?
I mean the Nazis wouldn’t lie, right?
Someone ask him who tried to overthrow FDR and install an Axis-friendly government…
Don’t you FEEL Scott McInnis’ pain about right now? McInnis spent so much of his time in public life mastering the west slope and the trying to solve real problems that cut across the west. Now he gets to watch underperforming Bob fritter away his political opportunities, sell his soul to the religious right and cede a US Senate seat to the Democrats.
If only so we can understand Rammstein.
Please, don’t get Tom Tancredo involved.
Early in statehood, Colorado ballots had to be printed in German, as well as English. So Schaffer was just off by some decades, not wholly incorrect.
an english only requirement was specifically not included in the constitution because of the number of german speakers in pennslvania.
And that Schaffer wants that to dominate another news cycle?
Geez louise, what a pathetic campaign.
Talk about being mired in the past!
He may yet bring up the Kaiser and Bolshevik Revolution.