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March 24, 2022 07:05 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“History is a vast early warning system.”

–Norman Cousins

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37 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. Todays thread is profound. And Biden thinks it’s a good idea to allow Iran to develop atomic weapons.  Let’s see what is it we hear every day from Putin, “I have nuclear weapons”.

      1. I know you like to mock people of faith and God. The only plan I know about is the one he has for me. I have no idea what plan he has for you. Maybe you should try to find out.

          1. Now, now, . . .

            . . . playing the victim IS his faith.

            “By their Pfruit ye shall know them”

            Pfruit has faith that he and his can get away with most anything, and ignore whatever else they choose, just so long as they claim that white prosperity Jesus (very limited edition) get-out-of-jail-free card.

        1. Now you’re being passive-aggressive, Pfruit. I’m Catholic and think I see enough of the big picture that I’m not sure of anything. That’s why they call it faith.  The only thing I’m pretty sure of is that “God” is more likely to be a black, gay woman than a white, prosperous male. Those, like Preacher Pat who professes to know what “the plan” is for us, are a joke. 
           

    1. Your Mango Monarch scuttled The Obama/Biden nuclear deal. Now that the punitive sanctions your guy put in place are finally expiring, we may finally see oil prices falling, and a new nuclear deal. 

      Of course, the Russian dictator $rump so worshipped does in fact have nuclear weapons he is willing, even anxious, to use. Only if the Russian people succeed in removing him from power will we see any lessening of that threat. Where will you and the other MAGAts stand when that happens, I wonder? 
       

       

      1. "Your Mango Monarch scuttled The Obama/Biden nuclear deal"

        He knows that. But Roger is the kind of douchebag who will shit in the swimming pool and then complain about the polluted water.

        1. Hmmm….  I can think of two bad men right off the bat.  Vladimir Putin, and Vladimir Putin's friend.  You know, the WH squatter who publicly sided with Vladimir Putin over US intelligence.

        2. There was a nuclear deal, but your lovely fascist orangeman nixed it, and now Iran can enrich enough uranium to make a nuke in a matter of days instead of months.  Slow clap for the dunce patriots

          1. A deal is only as good as the integrity of the people making it. I don’t think that people who shout death to America have any integrity what so ever. Apparently you do.

            Re-read the thread titile. How old are you?

            1. The rest of the world is moving on, dealing with problems created by your dear leader, the  former guy who encouraged Putin’s megalomania. Still, you stay stuck in 2019, unable to accept changing  reality. Sad!

              The European Union and Biden are solving Europe’s fuel problems, and using diplomacy to negotiate a new nuclear deal and lower gas prices.  Too bad you’re not on board. 

                1. Still are. I am, anyway, because you brought it up in the context of your usual whinin’ about Biden.

                  For fun, let’s see if you know what you’re talking about….even though you only troll for clicks and never answer any direct questions.

                  Por ejemplo: 

                  Which president and VP negotiated the Iran nuclear deal( JCPOA?) What were the JCPOA’s goals? 
                  Which president unilaterally withdrew the United States from that deal? What happened then? 
                   

                  What are the prospects for reviving the JCPOA, and how might that affect gas prices? Which nation has to sign off on a new Iran nuclear deal. ( hint: its President’s name starts with P U )

                  Links were in my last post hat you didn’t read.

                   

                  crickets…of course.

    1. Every eligible citizen should vote. They just shouldn’t carry their weapons openly to the polling place in order to intimidate other voters. They shouldn’t threaten school board members and election workers, either. 

      Republicans, and all voters, benefit from Colorado’s great mail ballot system as much as Democrats do, and they turn ballots in as often, proportionate to the lesser numbers of  Republican registrants. Latest numbers from Secretary of State for active voters, by party affiliation: 
      Dem: 1,070,029 Rep: 955,143 UAF: 1,655242 (out of 3,744,455 total actives. ) 

       National voter party affiliation  numbers tell a different story. As of July 2021, registered Dems were 39% of the electorate, registered Rs were 29%, and UAF were 31%.   The electorate changed in many ways from 2016 to 2020, including younger people voting in greater numbers. 
       

      So, even though  your opinion about the unworthiness of ignorant voters to vote aligns with the opinions of the founding fathers, ( they thought that women, non-whites, and men without property were just too dang stupid to vote) , y’all are just gonna have to deal with the modern electorate: ignoramuses, young folks, religious people of all affiliations, and all.

       

      1. I agree. Government by the elites would be a smothering dictatorship. The people as a whole are often wrong but as Churchill put it – Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

      2. “So, even though  your opinion about the unworthiness of ignorant voters to vote aligns with the opinions of the founding fathers, ( they thought that women, non-whites, and men without property were just too dang stupid to vote) , y’all are just gonna have to deal with the modern electorate: ignoramuses, young folks, religious people of all affiliations, and all”

        You’re mixing apples with oranges, Kiwi-tree. No one should ever be denied the right to vote – period. This especially true where the attempt to abridge the right to vote is on grounds of race, national origin, religion, gender, gender identity, or other suspect classifications. (This is one of numerous places where the Founders and I part ways.) 

        My point is that we should not be encouraging mass turnout but should instead target and turnout, particularly the cognitively sophisticated.

        Does the other team encourage mass turnout? Of course not. They target their own kind, or as Donald Trump famously professed, “I love the uneducated!” Of course, and they love him.

        Once again you want to engage in asymmetrical warfare with the other side. Let us know how that works out in November.

        1. R&R wrote:

          …I do not think it is a good idea to encourage cognitively unsophisticated /low information/stupid people to vote…

          . . . we should not be encouraging mass turnout but should instead target and turnout, particularly the cognitively sophisticated.

          In this, you are in line with the majority of Democratic campaign  activists. Campaigns typically have three phases: Capacity building, persuasion, and Get Out the Vote. Capacity building and persuasion are the only phases in which there is much contact with new, uninformed or entrenched Republican voters.

          Capacity building includes fundraising, crafting a message, cleaning up the contact database, hiring staff,  recruiting volunteers, gathering signatures and endorsements, early canvassing and voter outreach.  The message goes out to a broad spectrum of voters, including low-info ones. Gertie is spot-on that this messaging should include radio spots, by the way. Get those captive audiences on their commutes or work radios. 
           

          Persuasion is usually more targeted, but still pretty broad.  The aim is to inform and persuade voters to support an issue or candidate. Usually, Dems reach out to leaning-to-strong Dems and Unaffiliated, and avoid strong Republican partisans. So your Qbies and conspiracists are mostly screened out at this point. But many a low info Republican has also had a doorstep conversion…ask any experienced canvasser. 
           

          In the final GOTV phase, the aim is to “turn out” the votes of your reliable voters. Opinions differ about who these are.  The message will be narrowed to appeal to this subset of voters, i.e., suburban moms, Dems who have voted in the last few elections, etc. I have heard some pretty elitist takes on who to target for GOTV- plenty of consultants will tell candidates and canvassers to stay away from apartment buildings and trailer parks because “those people don’t vote.”

          I am in the camp of bringing an ideologically diverse crowd into Dems’ Big Tent. I assume that you’d disagree. However, I actually do work on elections and campaigns, not “asymmetric warfare with the other side”. I’m a soldier in the trenches, while you are a noncombatant. 

      1. It takes tools to fix broken shit, Pfruit. We’re an army of shiny new Snap-On tools while you’re trying to grease up you’re rusted crescent wrench with a can of WD-40 that’s out of aerosol. 

      2. New research on Biden voters: They are only tools.

        You could be right there for once.

        . . . but, then again, you could be Roger Edwards?

  2. "Why Tuberculosis May Protect Against COVID-19
    … previously infected by tuberculosis mysteriously dodged COVID-19, for reasons we’re still trying to figure out."

    I guess we know where this leads.

    1. It leads to more research …. especially when prior research found TB and COVID could interact.  One study abstract says: 

      We enrolled all patients of any age with either active TB or previous TB and COVID-19. 172 centres from 34 countries provided individual data on 767 TB-COVID-19 co-infected patients, (>50% population-based). Of 767 patients, 553/747 (74.0%) had TB before COVID-19 (including 234/747 with previous TB), 71/747 (9.5%) had COVID-19 first and 123/747 (16.5%) had both diseases diagnosed within the same week (35, 4.6% on the same day). 85/767 patients died (11.08%) (41/289 (14.2%) in Europe and 44/478 (9.2%) outside Europe; (p=0.03)): 42 (49.4%) from COVID-19, 31 (36.5%) from COVID-19 and TB, 1/85 (1.2%) from TB and 11 from other causes.

    2. I guess we know where this leads.

      Yep, Ttump and his FOX minions promoting their Home Tuberculosis Infection kits . . .

      . . . also, Q-calls to stop vaccinating against TB, or any post-infection treatment of it with antibiotics.

      “Mike Lindell just announced his two newest MyPillow product lines, he’s called them MyTubercularPillow and MyKiddiesTubercularPillow . . .

      . . . said Lindell, there’s a very good reason the good Lord has blessed us with this pathogen.”

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