Thursday Open Thread

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

–George Orwell

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  1. Libertad 2.0 says:

    But you can’t deny that Romney and Perry are BOTH going to be president. Obama at negative 22,000,000,000,000 in latest Rasmussen poll means we get both Slick Mitty and Handsome Ricky as Co-Presidents in 2012. Can’t wait to see where my fave Herman Cain winds up. Maybe Secretary of State.

  2. Ellie says:

    Center stage literally and with the opening question it was going to be Romney & Perry.  The others were bit players with a few pithy lines from Paul, Cain and even Huntsman.  Newt, well, he was Newt and poor Rick, I’m not quite sure how he stays in the race.  Machele was a minor presence and will certainly blame NBC as soon as she can get on Fox.

  3. Mark G. says:

    “Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.”

    Ayn Rand

  4. Mark G. says:

    According to the novel, doublethink is:

    To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.[2]

    The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D

    • raymond1 says:

      … that’s pretty funny.

      Do tell us how you hate democracy again, though – because a plea for dictatorship really helps us take your views on politics seriously.

      • jadodd says:

        What is amazing is how it describes modern Republicans and modern conservativism so exquisitely

      • dukeco1 says:

        but it’s because I put down her book (don’t remember which one) soon after I first picked it up, years ago. I thought it was nuts then…and I still do. So I was kinda curious what kind of crazy shit Mark G was regurgitating… with apologies to MADCO :).

        I found this interesting.

        To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary.

        The literary and dramatic tool known as “the suspension of disbelief” was perfected in our cinema and television and was soon diverted for use in the professional wrestling industry.It has now been mastered by the republican political message machine. It is the vehicle that allows the republican leadership to consistently get away with lying to their constituency. They, the rank and file, SO want to believe the story, they simply deny reality. Just like in the movies.

         

  5. allyncooper says:

    According to the Denver paper not to be mentioned, an article appeared yesterday saying MediaNews Group, owner of said Denver paper, has terminated it’s relationship with Righthaven, the law firm formed to enforce alleged copy-write infringements by thieving low life bloggers (as found on Pols) and other miscreants in our society.

    But Righthaven may have bigger problems to worry about. Wired.com reports the agressive and dubious tactics Righthaven has pursued in its zelotry to “protect” content may be it’s undoing.

    Wired.com reports Righthaven is not filing new lawsuits, not prosecuting ones that have been filed, and is laying off staff. Righthaven has also had a number of adverse legal rulings and a $34,000 judgment entered into against it for defendant’s legal fees on a case it lost.

    Full story here at   http://www.wired.com/threatlev

     

  6. raymond1 says:

    Just hadn’t seen her name posted for a few days, after several days of all Merida, all the time.

  7. BlueCat says:

    former Avs, Karlis Skrastins, Ruslan Salei, and all the other Lokomotiv Yaroslavl team members, coaches and crew lost in a plane crash leaving Russia to play their opening season game in Minsk, Belarus.  For Salei, it was also a trip home to his native city.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.co

  8. Ralphie says:

    The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has tossed out challenges to the Affordable Care Act by the State of Virginia and Liberty University.

    The State’s challenge was tossed because the Court said Virginia had no standing to sue because the act “imposes no obligations on the state itself.”

    The Liberty case was tossed because it sought “pre-enforcement” of a law that has not yet gone into effect, therefore the court had no jurisdiction.

    http://www.politico.com/news/s

  9. Diogenesdemar says:

    but I do know that we have more than a few divers in our community

    A good friend and business associate of mine was severely injured, along with two other divers, in a diving accident in Cozumel this past weekend.

    You can find some information at:

    http://www.scubaboard.com/foru

    If you would please, contact your local dive shop and diving buddies with this information as you deem appropriate, I would appreciate it.

    Thankyou.

    • Middle of the Road says:

      I just read through your link and two of those folks are facing a real uphill battle, with no health care insurance to just add one more notch of pain to an already devastating accident.

    • BlueCat says:

      One of my oldest friends lost her father to a diving accident and also in Mexico.  He was newly retired, fun loving, healthy, fit, looking forward to enjoying many good years.  I hope the outcome for your friend and associate is as positive as it can possibly be and that they have many, many more good years to look forward to.

  10. WitnessProtectionForGeeks says:

    just wondering how everything is paid for.  Not that I care, because I am pro deficit spending during recessions–I’m just curious.

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