Wednesday Open Thread

“I despise people who go to the gutter on either the right or the left and hurl rocks at those in the center.”

–Dwight D. Eisenhower

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  1. Blackie says:

    Question for those with a lot more knowledge than I: The  GSA administrator refuses to issue money marked for the transition because the election is not certified, December 14 is the day the electoral college meets to vote for the winner of the election, anyone have an idea what happens when those two things come face to face?  

    • Gilpin Guy says:

      Force of law instead of political custom should kick in then.  Four weeks away is not a long time.  Biden and company can use the time other ways.  Don’t expect anything civil from the Trumpers and you’ll never be surprised by their political crudeness.

    • Early Worm says:

      I think that it will come to a head sooner than December 14. The key dates are the deadlines for election certification in each state. These are the last possible dates, so the actual certification dates could be earlier: Georgia -11/20/20, Penn – 11/23/20, Mich -11/23/20, Ariz – 11/30/20, Wisc – 12/01/20, and Nev – 12/01/20. Once Pennsylvania's vote is certified, the pressure will be great to get on with the transition.

      Trump may sue to prevent certification, but that does not seem to be likely to be successful. The recount in GA or others may slow things down, but each state election official knows their own deadline. Trump's "moonshot" would be to tie things up in court to prevent certification by December 8, 2020, the safe harbor date established by Congress for each state to have certified its vote and appointed its electors. If he were to succeed, he would then try to get the Republican-controlled legislatures (GA, AZ, PA, WI, MI) to appoint Trump electors. 

      • CDW says:

        I can see all  of those state legislatures appointing republican electors and Pompeo as much as said that they have something like that up their sleeves. I don't trust any of them! Is there any recourse if this should happen?

      • JohnInDenver says:

        Even in the Trumpiest of states, can you imagine a majority in a state legislature voting to overturn what their election official (usually ALSO a Republican) has reported as the election results? 

        I know some might go along with such a plan … and some, constitutional idealist and believers in democracy, would not.  I'm optimistic some pragmatists would also think of the next election's ads and the realization that unless they are willing to abandon elections for a decade or so, they would start in a large hole.

        And that is before we get to the other possible reactions — constant protests; rolling strikes to disrupt key elements of the economy, a general strike, massive taxpayer resistance. potential for blue state legislatures and governors to inhibit commercial activity … I'm sure other people would be even more inventive than I.

        • Early Worm says:

          I agree. I think the risk of this type of coup is extremely remote. In effect, the Republican legislators and the republican judiciary, all the way up to the Supreme Court, would have to decide to sacrifice the Constitution to one man’s ego. They have kissed his butt, let him lock up children, let him call veteran’s losers, and, of course, lie constantly. But I do not think they want to die with him on the hill that destroys our country. 

          Setting aside the domestic fallout, the international reaction should scare the Republicans to death. We would immediately become the next Venezuela. Russia, Turkey, and maybe India, would support the usurper in chief. Everyone else would be outraged.  

          Edit: I just realized that Republicans have been warning us that if we elect Biden, we will become a failed state just like Venezuela. They are just trying to fulfill their prophecy.

          • kwtree says:

            I hope you’re right, Early. But to your last point in your thoughtful post, that Republicans like to warn Democrats that we’re on the road to becoming Venezuela- every slander and insult Trump makes should be read as projection. This habit of projecting one’s worst impulses onto the opposition has been embedded in Republican thought since Reagan’s day, and peaked under Trump. 

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        Also, I think they will start to peel away in the next week with some of the less delusional GOP senators starting to put distance between themselves and the White House (i.e., the Rob Portman types).

        There will, of course, be some who stay in the bunker to the bitter end (i.e., the Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham types) and may need to be escorted out of the White House in January.

        Look at it from their perspective:  71 million people voted for Trump and they’re not going anywhere. If anyone is thinking of running for the GOP nod in 2024, they don’t want to piss off those 71 million people.

      • davebarnes says:

        Georgia is going to do a recount by hand of 5 million ballots.
        They have fewer than 9 days.
        What do you think the error rate will be?

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        Trump has now sued Michigan to prevent certification; a state that he lost by over 146,000 votes. Waiting for him to sue Colorado.

    • kickshot says:

      I don’t think that it would come to that.

      The election has to be certified so that electors know which group (Dump’s or Biden’s) gets to to cast their electoral votes. 

      Certification preceding the electoral college vote would imply that the transition is funded and homed by that time.

  2. MichaelBowman says:

    Fascinating article on the challenges of distribution: 

    A Possible Covid Vaccine Means It's Time to Fix Cold Chains

    [t]urn the challenges on their head and, given that most of the technologies deployed today will still be in operation for years to come, the Covid-19 global immunization effort could offer us a once-in-a lifetime opportunity to create sustainable and resilient health cold-chain systems, including for ultra-low temperatures. At a minimum, it is an imperative that the new cold chain capacity is not based on environmentally harmful technologies that hinder the world’s ability to meet emissions targets. Better yet, we should go further and leapfrog to new strategies.

  3. Diogenesdemar says:

    I wonder what Ttump has on his agenda for today to dishonor Veterans Day?

    • Voyageur says:

      The draft dodger president will doubtless explain again why our pows were cowards.


    • JohnInDenver says:

      The Trump public schedule has a trip to Arlington National Cemetery.  That’s all.

      But as several people told me, it’s raining in DC and Virginia, so even that visit may be scrapped.

      Turned on CSpan and watched a wreath being placed, then a static scene — with LOTS of scurrying about at the top of the stairs — for over 5 minutes. Just heard the announcement that Trump was “being greeted by …..” various dignitaries. So I guess he is there. Some non-slip surface is down on the stairs — other people are being careful going up and down the marble stairs on either side.

      Now static for over 10 minutes.

      And now, Trump has entered from the side (no steps) and is placing the wreath. Melania was not seen.

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        Oh yes, like the Normandy cemetery hair crisis.

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        A “Cry for me, Argentina Americuh (. . . and God)” screed from a (canopied) White House balcony, then . . .

        . . . “Those aren’t raindrops, they’re alot of God’s tears for these very bad crimes being tried against His Chosen One!  So many holy tears, angels from Africa tears, angels from South America tears, Angels from Mitch McConnell and Lyndsey Grahm tears, Barr and Pompeo and McSally tears, Eric and Ivanka and Junior tears, patriotic patriot and veteran tears, all at these very many terrible crimes . . .”

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