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June 24, 2010 11:53 PM UTC

Hick's Flip-Flop Underscores a Big Credibility Gap

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  • by: davidsirota

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NOTE: We will be discussing this story on the AM760 morning show from 7-10am on Friday. Tune in on your radio dial or on the web at www.am760.net.

This week’s back-and-forth over whether or not gubernatorial candidate John Hickenlooper (D) yet again insulted the environmental movement is certainly interesting – but let’s make sure it doesn’t hide the blatant credibility-destroying flip-flop that the candidate’s statement this week represents. It is a flip flop that even Hickenlooper’s artful campaign spin doctors cannot easily explain away.

Hickenlooper clearly endorsed an effort to “tweak” the 2007 oil and gas regulations because he said he felt some of them are “onerous.” That is, he endorsed reopening the rules and revising them – more specifically, weakening them. Sure, that’s not as extreme as Scott McInnis’ call to all but repeal them, but it is a clear call to revisit the rules and change them – and that is a huge reversal of his previous position from less than a month ago.

I present to you the Colorado Independent dispatch from May 25, 2010:

He doesn’t want to open up the rules process again, obviously, and he agrees with where it ended up; he just has a critique of the tenor,” Hickenlooper spokesman George Merritt said, adding the process that began in 2007 was needlessly contentious and didn’t fully provide industry officials with a seat at the table.

The fact that this hideous contradiction simply hasn’t been reported by any major Colorado media outlet is a sad commentary on the state of local political reporting. We’re talking about a major flip flop here on one of the most important issues in our state.

That said, those who follow these issues closely probably noticed the reversal. And considering that, it’s no wonder that Hickenlooper is increasingly seen by many environmental voters as A) more interested in appeasing oil and gas interests than in protecting the environment B) having zero credibility and/or genuine conviction.

No matter where you come down on the particular issue of energy regulation, it should be self-evidently clear that flip flopping poses a very serious political problem for Hickenlooper. Over and over again, voters have shown they will support candidates who seem to have core principles over candidates who are trying to be all things to all people. Hickenlooper a month ago saying he was opposed to renegotiating the rules because he “obviously” agreed with them and then a month later telling oil and gas executives he wants to renegotiate/weaken the rules makes him look like a typical thumb-in-the-wind hack.

The policy problem, of course, is just as disturbing, IMHO (and anti-environment “drill baby drill!” voices will, of course, disagree with me here). At a time when some Coloradoans in energy country can light their tap water on fire and when a neighboring state just saw one of its rivers destroyed by an oil spill, watching Democratic and Republican standard-bearers in Colorado both pledge to weaken basic drilling regulation is frightening.

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31 thoughts on “Hick’s Flip-Flop Underscores a Big Credibility Gap

  1. You know I used to enjoy listening to your show but more and more it seems like nobody is pure enough for you. Newsflash Mr. Sirota: This is Colorado. We’re not San Francisco or New York. If we want to stay blue, we need candidates who represent the actual make-up of the statewide electorate not some utopian world. Between you and Mario always bashing Bennet for not being as pure as you’d like and now bashing Hickenlooper, you’d think AM760 lives in some fantasy world about what kind of Democrat can really win statewide here.  

    1. Wow – I didn’t know “purity” meant being opposed to someone saying one thing to one audience and then a few weeks later saying the exact opposite to another audience.

      I guess if that’s asking for “purity” then yes, I throw myself on the mercy of the court – I’m a purist.

      Oh, and by your logic, flip-flopping actually helps someone get elected? Right, right – I get it now. Not flip flopping can only win elections in New York or San Francisco, but here in Colorado – flip flopping is what voters want.

      Uh huh. I see. Right – now I get it.

      1. This is just like when you attacked Bennet over the public option. Then he said he’d try to get the public option passed but the reality was it could not happen so he was realistic about it and backed off and promised he’d get the public option introduced later. Hickenlooper is being realistic about some drilling regulations and instead of being realistic about what can be done in a moderate state you want him to act like Bernie Sanders or some uber-enviro and push for things that aren’t realistic in Colorado which for you apparently isn’t pure enough.

        1. So his campaign’s comments three weeks ago – we should just accept that they lied, ask no questions about that…not even ask for an explanation as to why they made it.

          Great point – you really make a lot of sense. Again, in your strange, odd, bizarre world, overtly flip-flopping is a good way to win elections…because, ya know, that worked so damn well for John “I was for it before I was against it” Kerry in Colorado.

          Really – you are an amazingly astute political analyst.

        2. Hickenlooper is being realistic about some drilling regulations

          amounts to nothing more than porcine digestive residue unless you cite which regulations to which you refer.

          There were,as I recall, just over 100 changes to the previous rules when we finished the process. Additionally, the four major areas of disagreement were set aside for discussion in a process that goes on to this day.

          Mr. Sirota is right to question the comments of the Mayor. They are inaccurate.

          Special to George:

          the process…was needlessly contentious and didn’t fully provide industry officials with a seat at the table.

          What is this crap, George? You know better than this. The only reason the industry cried was because they were treated like everyone else and were not given special privilege to be present when the first draft was done.

          Sucking up to the boys in the Republic Tower doesn’t win many friends at the Alliance Center.

      2. and thanks for spotlighting the need to hold politicians accountable on this.

        If they can’t read the tea leaves on the issue of the environment in the time of the Gulf blowout, then who are they listening to?

        Andrew Romanoff joined Rep. DeGette in calling for the end to the fraccing fluid or ‘Haliburton’ exemption that is poisoning our states wells.

        Let’s hope that both parties come to realize that, Yes, we do need energy to power our homes, but without water to drink who will be able to live in those homes?

        1. Oh wait, AR picked the wrong race.

          Can he be cloned? That would be so great to have a true progressive running for both senate and governor. But then what would David’s 10 listeners have to call in and complain about?

            1. And I happen to agree with poodlelord on this. Romanoff would have been a much better candidate than what I’ve seen out of Hickenlooper.

              Unfortunately that ship has sailed, and I’d rather have him than McInnis. Love him or hate him, he’s the Dem nominee. Pols and Sirota are stirring the pot, but I doubt that will push Hick to a position more to their liking.  

                1. and soap ads on the radio.

                  But I’m sure the Republicans appreciate his hard work all the same. The more Dems and unaffiliateds who stay home in November, the better.

      3. The trusted adviser to the King of Rohan in the Lord of the Rings books who day by day whispering doubts and clever negative stories slowly reduced the king to a feeble shell of a man.  It was only after Gandalf silenced wormtongue that the King regained his strength led the legendary Riders of the Rohan to the rescue of Gondor.

        You remind me of Wormtongue always seeking to sew seeds of doubt about the qualities and actions of our leaders Democrat or Republican.  When Obama outlined the steps being taken to address the oil spill in the Gulf, you were outraged that he didn’t mandate a revolutionary alternative fuels program.  The image I had was of Lincoln during the Battle of Gettyburg giving on update the battle and people complaining that he didn’t talk about capturing Richmond and ending the war.

        Doubts, negative stories and constant complaints that politicians aren’t good enough by your standards of purity are your daily output.  You’ve become the Limbaugh of the Left with just as much extremism and destructive intent directed towards governing Democrats.  You need to reassess what your intentions and motivations are because you aren’t any more realistic about politicians and their performances than the radical right.

    1. Hickenlooper needs to change course though, and he can. It won’t take much for Hickenlooper to be more electable than McInnis, but he has to take minimal steps, and not fuck up over and over like this. If he does he’s not going to be enough to get over the GOP wave.

      I can’t believe I’m saying this but good job Sirota.

      1. Hick has been in the news for a while, and it’s a shame that it’s negative.  All the candidates seem to be in a bit of trouble, but nothing they cannot handle (well, except for Maes).  So I can’t decide if I am excited for the ads to begin or not.

  2. He spends most of his time attacking Democrats. I thought “progrssive” meant at least not Republican. One wouldn’t know it by his show.

    1. who tells me he’ll never vote for Obama again (health care,weak economic policy), a Salazar (I think it started with the bankruptcy bill) or Bennet (health care + ?).  Jury is still out on Hick but he thinks he’s weak. If AR doesn’t win the primary, he’s only going to vote on the ballot initiatives in Nov. (as of last night).  From where I sit, “progressive” does not equate to “at least not Republican.”

      1. being self described and being the real thing are probably too vastly different realities for your spouse particularly if he/she is influenced by you.

        Progressive means having an open mind and pragmatic attitude towards effective solutions.  Obama getting BP to put up $20 billion without a cap to help people affected by the Gulf spill was a pragmatic approach to a fragile situation.  Obama is a progressive.  Your bad mouthing spouse not so much.

        1. Her spouse sounds a lot like David Sirota and Wade Norris–two self professed “progressives.” Lately, I’m beginning to think that “progressive” equals “purist”.  

          1. It sounds like Ellie’s spouse is the ultimate purist. If you’re not with him on everything, you’re against him.

            That is not progressive.

          2. Definitions are tricky things when defining a persons political philosophy. Personally I think it makes it far more difficult to debate the issues and specific legislation solutions.

  3. See, this is why I have so much trouble taking you seriously, Sirota. even when you make a valid point.  

    Hideous? You don’t think that’s a tad out of proportion? A bit hysterical?  And of course I join others here in asking what you think our real world alternative to Hickenlooper might be at this point.  

    1. Although I am disgusted by Hick’s waffling on environmental issues, and it is a pure crap shoot whether he will do the right thing environmentally without serious pressure from enviro constituencies.

        The reasons are as follows.

      1. Past record.  Hick does have a past record of some environmental awareness, when it can be reconciled with business growth including FastTracks/Clean Air requirements and greater cooperation with regional metro govts on water usage.

      2.  Allegiance. As a Dem and urban Front Range guy, the hope is that Hick will be more likely to listen to and work with the Dem legislature and the enviro community, whereas McGinnis is a West-slope Repub lobbyist for extractive industries who will be waiting to veto any significant pro-environment legislation.

        However the key will be for Dems to maintain majority in the state lege–if Repubs get control Hick will quite happily collaborate with them to the detriment of environmental policy.    

    2. whereas Hickenlooper has made several troubling comments.  

      The difference is enough to secure my vote.  But its not enough to make me shut up.  

      Rules for pit liners and the other ones Hick suggest need tweaked are important, they were hard fought (and won) by a broad coalition of hunters, anglers, property owners, and environmentalists. Folks who might be inclined to vote for the Mayor, but not beholden to do so (especially the sportsmen and landowners who run the political gamut).  

      Those folks are noticing and scratching their heads about Hick cozying up to the Petroleum Boys.  I know, I talk to many on a weekly basis, its big news in certain circles.    

      He needs to get out west and talk to the affected folks soon or he is going to suffer an enthusiasm gap among a much wider constituency than just enviros.  

      A court ruling yesterday reinstated citizens rights (‘standing’) to challenge specific APDs, something that the COGCC removed from earlier draft rules.  The COGCC (staff) was more concerned with delaying drilling permits than in ensuring citizens and constituents have their right to redress.  

  4. Hick is flip flopping.  The big problem is that this is a huge part of his base.  How is he gonna past this one?  You gotta have the support of your base before you can try and get the independents.

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