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Last-Ditch Attempt to Force Maes Out Underway?

by: Colorado Pols

Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 20:26:05 PM MDT


THURSDAY UPDATE #6: The Wall Street Journal puts Dan Maes' name in lights again, accorded the no-small honor of Quote of the Day:

Enjoy the ride, Mr. Maes. Whatever happens tomorrow, he's writing his poetry and the newspapers are printing it.

THURSDAY UPDATE #5: FOX 31's Eli Stokols Tweets from today's debate:

THURSDAY UPDATE #4: This is all becoming really very silly. Former Senate President, and Republican right-wing standard bearer, John Andrews issued this statement this morning:

This morning I called Dan Maes to withdraw my endorsement and urge him to end his candidacy, for the public good.  As a conscientious Republican who earlier voted for Dan, I cannot support a manifestly unfit nominee.  He has flunked his job interview with the people of Colorado in the weeks since Scott McInnis faded.  The party should cut Maes loose if he does not resign the nomination.  I intend to write in a vote for Jane Norton for Governor. [Pols emphasis]

Jane Norton? This makes perfect sense. Try to kick out someone who won the Republican primary in order to replace him with someone who lost a primary election of her own. We've absolutely reached the point where this is causing more harm than good for Republicans, whether or not they can convince Maes to withdraw.
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THURSDAY UPDATE #3: There is a Gubernatorial debate scheduled to be taped today at Noon as a joint production between Colorado Public Television (CPT12) and CBS 4. The debate is scheduled to air at 9:00 p.m. tomorrow, which could be a bit odd if Maes did withdraw from the race.
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THURSDAY UPDATE #2: Moments ago, Dan Maes posted this defiant-sounding update to his Facebook page. Does this read like a man about to pull out of this race?

THURSDAY UPDATE: The Colorado Statesman's Jody Strogoff confirms much of this story in a detailed must-read report this morning: renewed pressure to withdraw, a few days of expressed leeway by the Secretary of State's office should a vacancy committee be necessary, and a twist you may not have expected: Bob Beauprez waiting in the wings?

Colorado Pols :: Last-Ditch Attempt to Force Maes Out Underway?
According to sources in the Colorado Republican Party and elsewhere interviewed Wednesday by The Colorado Statesman, major escalating problems and daunting revelations about Maes' gubernatorial candidacy - with still more possible bombshells to drop - could unravel any hopes Maes has to stay on as the GOP standard bearer by Friday, prompting the state party to convene a special vacancy committee to select a new nominee after the required five-day advance notice. If that happened, the meeting could be held Tuesday, Sept. 7, and a spokesman for the secretary of state's office said that even though the general election ballot is set to be certified this Friday, Sept. 3, there is probably enough wiggle room for county clerks to update ballots next week if necessary...

Although Wadhams would not discuss possible scenarios for replacing his party's nominee, he confirmed Wednesday night that the required five-day advance notice under state election law would allow a vacancy committee to meet as early as next Tuesday, if it became necessary. Colorado secretary of state spokesman Richard Coolidge confirmed that county clerks have some leeway to order ballots printed, and agreed that changes could still be made...

"I'm flattered," Beauprez said when asked whether he might step in. "What I have told them is that, if a vacancy were ever to occur, I'd entertain the phone call to think about it seriously. I like to think I have plenty of gas in the tank and plenty to give. But it's a bit idle (to talk about) now. First things first," Beauprez cautioned.

That being said, Beauprez acknowledged that he would be "a better candidate than I was in 2006," and emphasized that he has learned from that experience.

"I believe that was a job that had my experience and credentials and passion written all over it," he said about the governor's race four years ago. "That hasn't changed. I still have another rodeo in me. If that vacancy were to occur, I would take the candidacy discussion very seriously," he said.

Original post follows--major developments likely today.

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A series of events in the last 24 hours leaves us more or less convinced that GOP leadership has commenced one final concerted attempt to force gubernatorial nominee Dan Maes out of the race. This morning, the Denver newspaper published long-rumored information about Maes' brief record as a police officer in Kansas, showing where Maes has possibly embellished his record and subsequently removed said embellishments from his campaign website.

It's not a new story--inferences about Maes' time as a cop in Liberal, Kansas 25 years ago, a job from which he was fired, have been widely circulated. We're not downplaying the story, because it's obviously the last thing Maes needs, but the story certainly doesn't seem any worse than, for example, Rep. Mark Kirk of Illinois--who despite revelations of much bigger exaggerations about his military service record remains the GOP's nominee for U.S. Senate in that state.

But it seems to be the pretext that Colorado GOP kingpins were looking for.

We've reported in this space about at least two not-so-secret attempts by GOP chairman Dick Wadhams and other powerbrokers to force Maes out since his narrow primary win over Scott McInnis at the beginning of the month. Today, allegedly on the strength of this report about Maes' history as a police officer, Karen Crummy reports at the Denver newspaper's blog that former Sen. Hank Brown is withdrawing his endorsement of Maes, and Bob Beauprez is calling on Maes to pull out, while Allison Sherry writes that leading "9/12" groups in the state are demanding a meeting with Maes before the end of the week. Maes himself was summoned to DC on a red-eye flight this morning according to FOX 31's Eli Stokols--either for recommitment from the Republican Governor's Association like his spokesman hopes, but more likely something else.

First of all, we don't buy that the "9/12" groups--who, mind you, are not the 'Tea Party' and subject to their own influences--are spontaneously rising up against Maes, any more than we think Hank Brown didn't know all about Maes when he endorsed him. After everything Republican leadership have themselves done to force Maes out since his victory over the tainted McInnis, there's very little question who is orchestrating this avalanche of bad press for Maes, slamming home just as the last day his name can be replaced on ballots approaches.

Look, folks, we've been clear about our estimation of Maes' chance at winning the governor's race, and we understand on a bare strategic level why Wadhams and the other Republican kingmakers want him out. But what you are seeing play out here, far too publicly, is seriously jeopardizing prospects for GOP success in Colorado--up and down the ticket. What they're basically asking is for the voters to get behind a fourth gubernatorial candidate: after forcing Josh Penry out of the race, watching McInnis self-immolate, and now with the Republican brass trying one last time to veto the choice made by almost 200,000 Republican rank-and-file voters.

And for all the angst about Maes among GOP leadership, why don't the voters share it?

Tom Tancredo is substantially underperforming expectations in polls. Obviously, with a Congressional resume, long history, and very high name recognition, Tancredo has assets in his favor that should make him competitive with Maes--especially as Maes stumbles--but his numbers have steadily declined from their peak. As Tancredo's numbers have unexpectedly weakened, and as Maes has weathered repeated attempts to force him out, many Republicans we've talked to have been more interested in stabilizing the situation so they can proceed where they have an advantage--not another day of uncertainty in the governor's race. They said so a couple of weeks ago when Wadhams acted as Tancredo's emissary in that attempt to force Maes out of the race.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the negative reports on Maes in the last few days that either was not known or warrants on merit another attempt to force Maes out. And yet here we are.

With all the stops pulled out in a last-ditch effort to have their way, hoping Friday's important-yet-obscure deadline can be beat without inspiring rebellion, there's just not a lot of pretense left to hide behind. And you can't tell us, no matter how optimistic Republicans are for success across the nation, that this weakness and disorganization at the top of Colorado's Republican ticket doesn't imperil much more than this race.

As for Maes? What possible incentive could you offer him to not ride this coaster all the way? Maes is the only man on either side with absolutely, positively nothing to lose here.

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You're right, he's got nothing to lose....
but his 15 minutes of fame, and he won't be denied that.

But who does the GOP have that could credibly step in? Nobody.

John Nance Gardner used to say the Vice Presidency wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit. And this year the GOP nomination for governor is worth less than that.  

It's only class warfare if you fight back


Oh ally there are so many that could challenge Hickenlooper
Hell, the mayors barely pulling 36%

Wonder why?


[ Parent ]
so where we they all during the primary 'tad?
what a load of crap!

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Sure....
plenty of people who would be willing to have the nomination without actually having to work for it.

Isn't that a bit like "political welfare"?  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  


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How about a nice lobbying job?
Either here or in DC.  I'll bet something can be lined up that will have a six-figure income.  It's not ethical, but is it illegal?
Or maybe he could be chancellor at a university.  That seems like a popular career choice for politicos.

or work undercover for the CBI


It's only class warfare if you fight back

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Who says he isn't
already?

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what could he lobby for?
Maes doesn't have any Congressional connections to play.  He's become a pariah to established GOP powerbrokers so who would he lobby?  Who would ever let him in the door?

Lobbyists grease the wheels and pimp out their connected network ... Maes can't do  either.

U. Chancellor ... right.  Yeah, maybe an 'asst prof' opening @Kaplan to teach  Criminal Justice ... they might overlook his failed cop tenure.  


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Maes is an ethical embarrasment, a walking felony indictment waiting to happen
The GOP needs to remove him from the ticket ... for cause.

As Mr. Tancredo has said, this guy is unfit for office.


good luck with that.


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What goes around comes around
 
Maes is an ethical embarrassment, a walking felony indictment waiting to happen

Maes was selected as the party nominee for governor by registered Republicans in an open, democratic primary election.

And on what basis or legal theory would you remove Maes from the ticket prior to an indictable offense Libby?

Last time I checked, being a buffoon and an asshole weren't indictable offenses.


It's only class warfare if you fight back


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they're not?
that explains a lot of our problems then...

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If they were...
...would that make Libby an illegal ignorant?

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap

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BWA HAHAHAHAHA
First of all, it's clear you don't understand anything about what is going on in the governor's race, but I'll save that for later. What I find hysterical is your blatantly transparent attempt to prevent Maes from leaving the race.

"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the negative reports on Maes in the last few days that either was not known or warrants on merit another attempt to force Maes out."

...except for this article, which despite being billed as "long-rumored information" was posted only this morning.

"Today we get a threefer, etc."


"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle


Now I know Maes is out
When BJ is tosses him under the wheels, the memo has gone out from HQ.

Who will it be? Could it be Beauprez? He wanted to be in print shanking Maes today.

We could never get so lucky as Beauprez, could we, BJ?


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That's right.
Dick Wadhams is just my sockpuppet.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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Really, BJ?
'Cause two days ago you were defending Maes. As of last night you 180'ed with extreme obviousness.

And look at the update today! All facts, confirmed by your trolling about-face just as I suspected.

And BEAUPREZ TOO?!! Christ, I'm psychic. Amaesing.

Who wants more predictions? The Great Seer of Bullshit! will see you now.


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gott the Powerball or Megabucks numbers for the next drawing?


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No, BS.
Dick Wadhams is not really my sockpuppet. I had you going there for a minute though, didn't I?

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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Can you add more signature lines?
Youre posts don't look enough like Wade Norris's yet.

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Just need some more juicy expletive-laden posts from despairing Dems.


"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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While we're at it
Those are all fun, but are any of them as bad as Mark Kirk? It's a fair question.

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Not really
but this is Colorado, and we're still a single dead girl state.  Illinois is the gold standard--it's, say, a five dead girl state.

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I thought you would stand by your man, man.
But find this.  A bit of a disappointment, goes to character.

No consideration, no explanation.  

It really is like 1984:

The public are blind to the change; in mid-sentence an orator changes the name of the enemy from "Eurasia" to "Eastasia" without pause. When the public are enraged at noticing that the wrong flags and posters are displayed they tear them down-thus the origin of the idiom "We've always been at war with Eastasia"; later the Party claims to have captured Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

Repeat after me:  "I have never supported Dan Maes.  I have always supported [Dick Wadhams to fill in the blank]."

Once you get the news, make sure to come tell us how great and imminent the next new bestest candidate ever is, OK?


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  


[ Parent ]
isn't it kind of spooky?
I think he's really taken these lessons in double-speak to heart.

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Thanks for the new sig line!
n/t

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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I said nothing about MY support for Maes.
My comment pertained only to Pols's actions.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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@ bhw So you still support Maes?
Do you also still think he can win?

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That's not what I said.
Let me help you out with some emphasis:

I said nothing about my support for Maes.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle


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Hey Beej,
What do you have to say now that Maes is not pulling out? We'll give you a few minutes to get your talking points from base camp, they have probably changed.

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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That Vacant Look
"Election" by vacancy committees has worked so well for Republicans up here in Larimer County that maybe it's becoming the new statewide brand.

"Voters, we don't need no stinkin' voters."

Sadly for all the Maes supporters up here who honestly believe Dan can win because he's the "people's choice," it seems this trend is about to bite them.

If I were Wadhams, I think I'd start worrying about "second amendment remedies" in some of his northern precincts.  

"History is'a made at night! Character is what you are in the dark!"  Lord John Worfin


"better candidate"
" Beauprez acknowledged that he would be "a better candidate than I was in 2006,..."

Sure - no primary, far less time for those who don't know him to get to know him, no time for the usual fundraising, and a "well, at least he's better than Maes" sigh of relief.


We got a kick out of that quote, too
You really couldn't be any worse than Beauprez was in 2006.  

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Well, Maes is trying hard to be worse than Beauprez


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And succeeding.


Discipline without purpose is tyranny.

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Well, that's the point- he is not "trying" he is doing

He is who he is.



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Two Jokers
On the otherhand, if Maes is still on the ticket Friday, the next Bennet ad should highlight Ken Buck's "absolute support" for Maes, while other Republicans run the other way.

Just another indication of Buck's poor judgement, Buck-flips and frequent poor choice of words that litter his campaign to date.

"It may be true that the law can't change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless" -- Martin Luther King, Jr.


There is only one Joker (NSFW)
[ Parent ]
Hank Brown on the boyles show at 8am today.
boyles has Hank Brown on at 8 am on radio station KHOW 630am.

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


I thought that August 24 would be the do or die day, evidently Sept 3rd is.
I find this fascinating.  I am rooting for Maes.  He will have quite a story to tell.  If he doesn't win the governorship, he can sell his story for millions.  I'd buy it.

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


no, no you wouldn't.. but if you would - send me a check for any amount
Born in small town Wisconsin, the northern part of the heartland, I worked hard, grew up poor in material and money but not desire.
I learned to sell stuff. I went to college. And moved to Kansas to be a cop. Met the wrong girl,  had a baby, got married, got fired from copping, moved to Colorado and still learned to sell stuff.
I got divorced, I met a new girl, saved my church, grew a small company, started my own buisiness and grew it too. Built a house, had some kids, sold the business, and had a vision. Ran for governor, won the caucus, won the primary,  weathered the storm and got beat by my own party in the general.

It's ok. I still know how to sell stuff.


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No MADCO, what you've got is the final plot line for "As the World Turns" or so I am told.
The story Maes has to tell is who, when, how, tried to bump him off the ticket.  If he didn't tape everything, he isn't fit to run on the republican ticket.

I can see Maes on MSNBC, now.  I can see him on the VIEW....he has a real future, but not in politics.

PS:  

It's ok. I still know how to sell stuff.

And I thought boyles was willie lohman.

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


[ Parent ]
Willie?
NFW.

He's Wayne Gale.
He's Morton Downey Jr. without the ratings or the balls.


[ Parent ]
Good God, dwyer, Willie Loman had talent!
And I thought boyles was willie lohman.


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Dan Maes will be the next Governor of Colorado
it says so right on his resume!

Don't believe everything you think.

So, why does DickWad hate the troops?
By doing this, it delays the printing of absentee ballots by gawd knows how many days.

Colorado already was barely going to make the 45-day window for mailing them to troops in combat zones, now this is going to guarantee they disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of SM in Iraq and AFPAK.

Oh, they might vote for the guy who makes beer....

"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten." Calvin Coolidge


You haven't heard the spin, yet??
The Secretary of State is democratic so he is going to go ahead and send the ballots out to the counties tomorrow so that the repubs are screwed.  It is another example of how the democrats are responsible for this mess...

the above is per caplis, boyles,

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


[ Parent ]
Caplis and Boyles
Don't need no steenkin' statutes.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

[ Parent ]
Yes, because NOBODY knew about the Sept. 3 deadline...
Oh, wait. Nevermind. Everybody knew.

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Except me because I get my information from talk radio.
hence the poll on the only diary I ever attempted...I anticipated that the push come to shove would occur by August 24th.

This is a fascinating look at how bad the republican party is.
What contempt for the voters.  What conceit.  I am betting that they do win the governorship.  Because as bad as the republican party is, at least there is something still loosely called a party.  And they own the airwaves, 24/7 the attack on the dems, both local and national, continues successfully.

There is no democratic party, there is just OFA and the blue print gang.

I am glad I am old.  But, I do enjoy listening to the radio to find out what my government will sound like come January.



 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


[ Parent ]
Both Ways Bob
Is tanned, rested, and ready.



Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno


Well,, you can't see his face too well, but who's the jerk with the fork?


[ Parent ]
already shoveling shit? (nt)


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That clean up after Ken Buck thing is a real drag, jps
But at least, he's in show biz.

[ Parent ]
Re: Update #2
The use of the double negative means we ought to be deceived.  Still, I think he hangs in there.  One cannot argue with THE PEOPLE.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  


Ye Gods, it must suck to be a Repub in this State...
....all of you registered supporters should just have state convention and agree to turn over your voting rights to one guy (DickWad) and get it over with.

The Elite of the State GOP really don't give a shit about what you think, your issues, or (especially) you're right to vote.  

"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten." Calvin Coolidge


it is just so completely ironic...
the more the Republican party apparatus in Colorado attempts to manipulate the situation and subvert the will of its own supporters (because of course they know better) the more the situation blows up in their faces.  Amusing to say the least.

" The webinar is free, however, there are only 250 spaces available "

Some douche


[ Parent ]
Right.
It's one of the only races we're not going to clean house in.

Bennet = toast.

Markey = toast.

Perlmutter = hopefully toast.


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Does all that toast depict images of
Jesus or the Virgin Mary?
if not, I wouldn't go counting my chickens until they have hatched... if ya know what I mean.

"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  


[ Parent ]
What?
Couldn't find a witty hilarious cartoon that was totally unrelated to what I said to post?

You're losing your touch.


[ Parent ]
LB, I get your predictions...
..but it doesn't bother you that the clueless idiots in charge of your Party absolutely and completely hate your guts and think YOU'RE the dumbass in this situation?  

"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten." Calvin Coolidge

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Depends.
Dan Maes isn't in charge of my party.  He's a fool and had no business running for Governor.

Wadhams has done a pretty poor job in my opinion.  

I still think there's a surprise ending coming.


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Possibly the State GOP could turn operations over to
 a flock of headless chickens... As flock of headless chickens running about have more purpose and a better chance... To oust and replace Maes than Dick Wad, Bob Go-pray and Tan-bigot combined.  

this is so fun to watch the arrogance of republicans crumble into desperation.

The gop should sell tickets to this drama.


"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  


Great
Now I want popcorn!

[ Parent ]
The GOP has no experience with this
We Dems have lots of experience with bitter primaries and the base overriding the anointed candidate. But that just doesn't happen in Republican primaries. So this is all new and disconcerting to those at the top.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
We Dems have lots of experience
You mean when Gene Nichol trounced Tom Strickland, Mike Miles dislodged Ken Salazar and Andrew Romanoff upset Michael Bennet? Yes, the "base" often overrides the anointed Democrat.(And if you bring up Jared Polis squeaking by Joan FitzGerald, you don't understand what "base" or "anointed" actually mean.)

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Huffpost is reporting...
that John Andrews has now withdrawn his support of Maes (after reasserting support yesterday) and will now write in Jane Norton if Maes is still on the ballot in November.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

wha???
Trade Maes for Queen C&D?

With all due respect to Lt Governor Norton... no thank you.

TABOR4LIFE


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Andrews' email is below
This morning I called Dan Maes to withdraw my endorsement and urge him to end his candidacy, for the public good.  As a conscientious Republican who earlier voted for Dan, I cannot support a manifestly unfit nominee.  He has flunked his job interview with the people of Colorado in the weeks since Scott McInnis faded.  The party should cut Maes loose if he does not resign the nomination.  I intend to write in a vote for Jane Norton for Governor

Ultimately Democracy would have the nation own the people, while Republicanism would have the people own the nation.

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Accept the results of the Democratic process??
oh never-mind. the republican polit-bureau knows what is best.

LOL!!

"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  


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"manifestly unfit"
that about covers every gubernatorail candidate R's have put forth in recent memory...

" The webinar is free, however, there are only 250 spaces available "

Some douche


[ Parent ]
Andrews writing in Jane Norton??????
Charlley Miller's probably apoplectic, wondering what it's going to take to get anyone's consideration for any race in this state.

Don't believe everything you think.

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Looney Tunes
was funny but this...Not!  And no thanks to those Republican's that went out of their way to get rid of the only candidate that knew Colorado state government inside and out.  Happy now?


If you're not upset, you haven't been paying attention.  Mike Littwin

You mean Joshie?


Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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Ha!
n/t

If you're not upset, you haven't been paying attention.  Mike Littwin

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Ellie, it's Scott's own fault
After he turned down that interview invite he was fated to lose :)

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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...this is either sheer stupidity, or sheer genius
There's going to be backlash of support for Maes among the base.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

either sheer stupidity, or sheer genius
If only we could figure out which.

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such a fine line


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Does this read like a man about to quit?

Yes, Yes it does

This Is A REAL Party!
It's like they skipped the tea and went straight for the whiskey.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


In my own selfish news...
...my debate with Bill O'Reilly last night on The Factor -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Thank you to Fox News and Bill O'Reilly for having me on - enjoy friends!

TABOR4LIFE


Open thread is thataway -->


"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
Were you arguing with O'Reilly about Dan Maes?
No? Then it belongs in the Open Thread.

You've been on a blog before, right?

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.


[ Parent ]
Wifey upset at you again, SXP?


TABOR4LIFE

[ Parent ]
Hahahaha
Hold grudges much? I've lost lots of arguments here. I get over them. Try it some time.

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
?
You don't really sound like someone whose gotten over it...

:)

TABOR4LIFE


[ Parent ]
I liked it Ali, but
 I wish you had hammered Bill about the fact that if they (FOX) are so up in arms about suspicious Muslim funders, then they need look no further than their own coffers.

But I suppose I can take this to the other thread where it belongs. :p

GINGRICH: MOON PRESIDENT 2016!

"May Di-vorce Be With You" - Darth Newt


[ Parent ]
Bob Beauprez
I would be totally supportive of Bob Beauprez.  Bob is a decent, honest man and has lots of name recognition.  He would run a good campaign and this is the year of the Republican (sorry you libs).  He has spoken to some liberty groups about "principle over party," and he would be able to raise money quickly.  I will not support any recent candidates/managers who have run dirty and dishonest campaigns.

Code Pink stands for really, really radically ignorant babes.

Besides
He whispers to elk and they do his bidding.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

[ Parent ]
If only
he could whisper to Dan Maes.

[ Parent ]
Who is Dan Maes talking about
when he says "people"?  All the people who don't live under his roof want him to go.

I'd be interested in a poll of GOP primary voters only - on the Gov's race.  I'd bet his negatives at this point are as high as cancer's among that crowd.

Everywhere he turns "people" are trying to talk him off the ledge.  Every ordinary meeting is now turning into an attempt by the "powerbrokers" to take over the party.

I guess the "powerbrokers" outnumber the "people" by about 1000 - 1 by now.

...we're a bunch of toothless gay-bashers.-- Ralphie, 2011


How did that happen?
Seriously, he has won every election he's been in, right? Everything has been in the public record, available for examination (except for maybe a few dumb comments, but everybody makes those).

Nothing objective has changed since the primary vote. So what happened to all the folks that voted for him?  

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap


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what happened to all the folks that voted for him
They didn't know Bob Beauprez was available.  

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Your argument
seems to represent many here, in various forms...

Before McInnis blew up, no one cared about Maes' background so no one did the expensive and/or lengthy due diligence that is typically done on a party nominee.

And after McInnis blew up, no one cared b/c it's it's been a foregone conclusion that he's going to get killed.

(As opposed to some in my party, I don't think the Maes/Hick match up numbers are representative.  The only thing they show is that Hick is going to have to work to break 50 - but otherwise Maes has not been known to almost everyone until now.  And it's all been negative.  If Hick ever feels like he needs to unload on Maes, he can and will.  Maes has little ammo and no gun to retaliate).

The recent news only confirms the gut feeling the "people" have had about Dan.  "People" started to give him the benefit of the doubt but didn't have to be convinced to jump off the bandwagon.

Same thing that happened to McInnis is happening to Maes.  But he has the benefit of the calendar on his side.


...we're a bunch of toothless gay-bashers.-- Ralphie, 2011


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If members of your party don't vet their candidates before voting
They deserve what they vote for.

You don't step in and invalidate the will of the people because you don't like their choice of who they wanted to represent them.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno


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Your premise is absent of reality
There is no 'You' and 'People.'  They are one and the same.

And how much did you know about George Knapp or Larry Walsh when they ran for Mayor of Denver in 1991?  Probably not a lot - because it didn't matter, they weren't going to win.

In addition to winning an upset through hard work, good strategy, etc - upsets can happen Alvin Greene style or Dan Maes style.  In either case, no one knew much about either because the odds were ridiculously against them.

Republicans primary voters didn't choose to nominate a guy who lied about his experience and job history.  They voted, in a whirlwind, for the non-plagiarist (as far as we know).

...we're a bunch of toothless gay-bashers.-- Ralphie, 2011


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Not a lot
Because I live in Grand Junction.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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At least you got that right.


...we're a bunch of toothless gay-bashers.-- Ralphie, 2011

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But Maes won at the caucuses...
IIRC, that was before the McInnis implosion.

Lots of conservatives voted for Maes because they thought he was the "true conservative."

All the negative stuff about Maes could have been dug up by the McInnis campaign if they had just bothered to do so. It was really just a matter of making a few phone calls - most employers make more effort to verify a job applicant's resume.

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap


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No
McInnis won at the caucuses, which is why it was such a surprise Maes top-lined at the state assembly.

But you're right, Maes has had a solid following based on his man-of-the-people straight talk, probably supplemented some by RINO suspicions about McInnis -- Maes support wasn't just a reaction to McInnis plagiarism charges.

Has anyone yet accused the McInnis campaign of knowing what the hell was going on, or suggested they ever lacked for arrogance? Some of these revelations about Maes have been known for a while, but the McInnis people didn't think they needed to care.


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Right.
Usually when opposition research is done, it's by the opposing camapaign.  Not your average pct leader or voter.  And except at national level, not the party HQ very much either.

It was McInnis' duty to do the due diligence and unload it if they ever thought Maes was getting close.  But they never did - because he never was - until it was too late.


...we're a bunch of toothless gay-bashers.-- Ralphie, 2011


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he never was - until it was too late
Except that he was, he was breathing down McInnis' neck and even won the assembly, all, as you point out, before the plagiarism scandal. But arrogant Scott and his enablers never could conceive of a Republican electorate that would deny him his due.  

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There's been a lot of that this year


Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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John Andrews Pledges to Cast a Vote that Will Not Count
Jane Norton did not timely file an Affidavit of Intent with the Secretary of State stating that she desires the office of Governor and is qualified to assume its duties if elected.  CRS 1-4-1101(1).  As a result, no write-in votes for her shall be counted.  CRS 1-4-1101(2).  By casting a write-in vote that cannot lawfully be counted, John Andrews and all other Republicans who follow his lead will entirely undervote the Governor's race. John Hickenlooper must be dleighted with Andrews' announcement.  I do not ever recall a major political party so completely melting down in this way.  Remarkable.

I am voting Republican.
And so will the people of Colorado. This is a distraction to what will otherwise be an incredible year for conservatives and America's future!

No shit. Really?
I am voting Republican.

I never would have guessed.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno


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Insightful as always...
... could you please remind us again (a) whom Sarah Palin is endorsing, and (b) which Justices agree with you that Brown v Bd of Ed was wrongly decided?

AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."

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