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  1. exlurker19 says:

    Aaaaand the theatre sinks to a new low:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/30/3794744/cinemark-aurora-shooting-victims/

    Since the victims lost their lawsuit, just like the gun makers, Cinemark wants its legal fees reimbursed.  Victimized twice.

    • BlueCat says:

      It's probably a move to have a bargaining ship in negotiations for an agreement not to appeal. Anyone who doesn't  want to have to go through airport style security at every movie theater, mall, department store, restaurant, to get on a bus, train or light rail, go to a library or rec center or public pool or pretty much anywhere public should be grateful for the failure of this suit. That's how we would have to live every day, everywhere, all the time if the suit had succeeded. 

      • Half Glass Full says:

        Perceptive comment. That's probably just what it is. However, Cinemark should have had better PR by saying to the press that if the families dropped their appeal, they wouldn't seek fees.

        • BlueCat says:

          Not sure it works that way. Lawyers don't care about PR which is why they always tell their clients not to say "sorry" when it just seems like simple human decency to say so. In any case, I doubt most people will let this affect their movie going habits. 

      • notaskinnycook says:

        I do not want to live in Israel.

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        Fuck Cinemark, and the Texas they came from!   People should "negotiate" them out of business in Colorado, no one should ever attend another movie at any of their craptacular theaters (although with two in Somalia Springs, you can't expect a smart or logical reaction).

        • BlueCat says:

          Sorry. Disagree. If you're going to hold them responsible for that shooting you'll have to live with onerous security everywhere you go. You won't even be able to take kids to any popular public venue for a birthday party without all of them going through security and being surrounded by paramilitary with guns.  Every office building, every school, every mall, every supermarket, every house of worship will be a fortress for fear of suits.

          This is a defensive move.  They won't demand the money if the appeals, which have little chance of overturning this judgement, are dropped as all of us who don't wish to live in what will feel like a police state and have our kids growing up feeling threatened everywhere they go should hope for.

          I think our kids are already restricted enough, already sadly enough bereft of the freedom we enjoyed as kids partly because of the litigation culture and partly because of an irrational parental obsession with making life risk free.

          It isn't.  

          I'll go to whatever convenient location where the movie I want to see is playing at a convenient time for me.  And I don't want to have to get there an hour and a half early, empty my purse, take off my shoes, relinquish that pen knife I forgot I was carrying, the little Swiss with a tiny scissors and toothpick, both extremely handy, to go through security. 

          Sorry.

           

          • Diogenesdemar says:

            I don't hold Cinemark responsible for the shootings. 

            I do want them held responsible for their suing the families of murder victims, however. 

            • BlueCat says:

              Pretty sure it's a strategy to reach an agreement for the families to drop their appeals, appeals they aren't going to win.

              • Diogenesdemar says:

                You say "it’s a strategy," I say “it’s abhorrent.”

                • Voyageur says:

                  Can we compromise and just say it is an abhorrent strategy?

                  • BlueCat says:

                    Fine. But I still think the decision not to hold the company responsible was the correct one. I'd rather not live in the country that would have to be the result of a win for the plaintiffs, no matter how much I sympathize with their losses. I have no intention of boycotting those theaters. Sorry if that sounds cold.

                    • Voyageur says:

                      I agree with the verdict.  But threatening the victims is a public relations catastrophe.   It is what happens when lawyer / goons forget there is a court of public opinion.   Cinemark has all the sensitivity of a Trump Christie ticket and will lose a dozen times more at the box office than it willl save on an appeal.  That's just felony stupid.

                    • Diogenesdemar says:

                      You're correct in thinking that the court decision was the correct one; it is – no doubt, no argument from me.  There was no actionable negligence.

                      The decision of Cinemark to sue the families is abhorrent.  And, as V'ger notes: it's criminally (euphemistically) stupid.   Fucking Cinemark, fucking stupid, insensitive, asshole Texan fuckers!

                    • BlueCat says:

                      Dio, Cinemark is only doing the completely expected and foreseeable.  If the lawyers involved did not impress upon the families that this is what would happen if they lost , didn't explain what it would mean, didn't explain that losing was a very strong possibility then it's the lawyers whose behavior was abhorrent.

                      If they did make this all perfectly clear and the families were still adamant about proceeding than they did so knowing that this could happen and exactly what it would mean.

                      If the outcome is no appeals, the suit remains unsuccessful, we don't have to live like prisoners of a police state and the families don't have to pay anything then I don't see anything here to get up on my high horse about. That's all. I don't ask you to feel the same way.

                        

                    • notaskinnycook says:

                      Nor do I. If you all remember, it was only a hard-ass boss who scheduled him work the following day that kept our nephew from being  there that night with a group of his friends. One of them was killed. I've since heard him say that it wasn't foreseeable and there was nothing reasonable the cinema could have done to prevent it. He's not pleased with the families suing the cinema; thinks they're greedy bastards. 

  2. Zappatero says:

    Trickle Down Economics, designed with the intent of starving government and reducing taxes on mostly the wealthy and corporations, while allowing its adherents to spout a nifty catch phrase, continues to fail in Kansas:

    In a story that should shock no one, the financial experiment that is Kansas will mark a new low this month, as revenues again miss their (already lowered) expectations by $33M.

    Kansas will miss revenue expectations for June by more than $33 million, according to two sources in state government.

    That comes on top of the $45 million shortfall the state already faced for the 2016 fiscal year, which ends June 30.

    The revenue comes shortly after the State of Kansas was pushed to resolve school funding concerns by selling off state assets — though the Governor’s office assures the public that this budget short fall will not impact the funds allows schools to open, they also noted many school districts may have to wait on money, as the state will delay payments.

     This failure should be highlighted over and over again since no Republican official will ever admit that their base economic philosophy is a joke. 

    Related music……….

     

    • Duke Cox says:

       This failure should be highlighted over and over again since no Republican official will ever admit that their base economic philosophy is a joke. 

      I have family members who still cannot admit that their sacred "supply side" economics focus inevitably goes to the place cited in your post. " Demand side" economics drives the engine of world trade. The ol' trickle down…doesn't.

      One of the hardest things for Republican minded folks to do is admit they are wrong…that is one of the things that calls them to "Republicanism". Every Republican candidate needs to be hounded to comment on the failure of the Kansas government.

       As you suggest, the brighter we shine the light on the fundamental lie of the bogus "Free Market", the better our chances of winning in November.

  3. Zappatero says:

    Governing by crisis is another Republican specialty, with bonus points for continuing their decades-long neglect of infrastructure. (Springs just now starting the smallest projects to catch up on their historic neglect of roads and drainage.)

  4. Denver Yankee says:

    Trump currently speaking at Western Conservative Summit.  Making Sarah Palin seem coherent.  Audience catatonic.

  5. Half Glass Full says:

    Have to laugh at how Sarah Palin called the Republicans who don't support Trump (Mitt Romney and a TON of others) "RATS" (Republican Against Trump – get it?).

    Fun to sit back, eat popcorn, and watch this spectacle.

    Now if we can just put Bill Clinton in a cabin somewhere until after the election … What an idiot.

    • BlueCat says:

      Sometimes I think he has a not so subconscious resistance to the idea of his wife surpassing him by becoming the first woman elected President of the United States. He sure does have a knack for causing her damage on the campaign trail.

      He was clearly miffed enough over Obama becoming the real first black President and spoiling his standing as president most beloved by African Americans and the object of much flattering attention from hip black comedians as the first black President in an honorary sort of way. I honestly think that bitter pill, not the fact that Obama beat his wife, is what he's never been able to forgive. He's never been able to hide his dislike of Obama and generally barely tries. 

       And she would make the second historic Dem Prez in a row putting his presidency in the shade.

      Other times I think that, even though he clearly knows better, he's too narcissistic to help himself.

      Either way, AG Lynch isn't Bill Clinton and she certainly should have known better than to let Bill hop on her plane for a chit chat under present circumstances. Hard to see how she will not be obliged to recuse herself now.

      HRC must be furious at the both of them. 

      I've always thought her political career would have benefited from an amicable divorce after a decent interval (so as not to look like a reaction to the Lewinsky affair) once she attained the Senate.  They've had very separate lives and it would hardly have been the first time professional power spouses drifted apart.

      Now she's stuck with him and she'd better assign a full time minder. Make that several so they can watch him like a hawk 24/7 in shifts for the duration. ASAP.  Should have done it months ago.

       

      • Duke Cox says:

         

         

        not the fact that Obama beat his wife, is what he's never been able to forgive. 

        As we may recall, there was no shortage of exceptional vituperation aimed at Bill Clinton specifically because he managed to deny GHWB his rightful second term. You don't get where these people tread without a powerful ambition.

        I think that is pretty much without exception.

        • BlueCat says:

          To be sure. But Bill is also a true narcissist. Of  course you don' get to be President or even a serious contender without a huge ego but there is a line between huge ego and clinical narcissism.  Bill needs minders. He' is incapable of being his own. 

  6. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    There is good news today. A federal judge struck down the Indiana anti-abortion law and a Mississippi judge issued an injunction against the law allowing discrimination in service to customers on grounds of religious beliefs.

    Bumper sticker (from another source):  Religious Republicans believe in small government so it can fit inside a uterus. 

    Ya'll have a great 4th weekend. I'm off climbing on Sunday. 

    • Duke Cox says:

      Indeed…good news on both counts. Maybe the extremism of Der Drumphenfuhrer, and the emboldened anarchists who support him, is beginning to have a backlash effect in those places where regular, reasonable people are having to choose between racial, social, and class animus from the past and a future that lives up to the promise of our nation. 

      Please be careful and stay safe up there during this monsoon season, CHB, Enjoy.

    • BlueCat says:

      I hope Dems who aren't enthusiastic about HRC and plan to make statement votes instead of recognizing the binary nature of the choice are making note of all the great decisions that have been handed down by The Supreme and other courts recently. We will not have these kinds of decisions for long if we let the Republicans take the WH and keep congress.

    • notaskinnycook says:

      Have fun, C.H.B. and be safe. Rope up!

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