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Will be interesting to see how ya’ll react to the latest dust-up in the CO Secretary of State’s office. In an interview broadcast last evening on 9News, Kyle Clark asked Sec. Griswold if she would resign. She said no, but also appeared to sidestep the issues. FWIW, I think the CO election system works well. But there are appearances to be considered as well as “unforced errors.”
are you talking about he rumor that Griswold put out a spredsheet with passwords? i saw thatand thought it was fake news. Is there substanceto it?
It was someone's oversight — the posted spreadsheet had hidden columns that could be revealed, including some passwords. However, as explained in today's Denver Post, the affected systems, like our nuclear subs, require two independent passwords held by two different persons, both in physical proximity to the election equipment to allow access.
Can't be hacked unless you possess both passwords and are next to the election equipment.
Tina Peters tried it, and see where it got her.
The story is basically "Key to car left overnight in car!… Could have been stolen!" Then body of the article "while the car was untouched according to ring video it's important to harp on it over and over to build contempt in your spouse."
There were fail-safes in place. This continues to prove Colorado has the safest and most trustworthy of election systems
sure, it continues to prove it. But what a major F-up, especially on the heels of the Tina Peters conviction and the claims that SoS employees made about the seriousness of revealing the passwords.
Is it? You can audit all the machines just by running through a sample ballot set? Maybe it's an age thing after years of dealing with personal data breaches by corporate entities I'm better able to weight the dangers. I'm sure you'll mature over years of news articles screaming your social security number leaked.
OK no need for the personal attack; I've matured just fine, thank you. I think you are missing my point here. Whether or not you who have become numb to personal data breaches, this is profoundly bad optics, especially on the heels of the Tina Peters case, where quite a big deal was made about the release of these same passwords.
Oh no bad optics. Maybe after you crucified her your vision will clear up. There are plenty of safeguards except for panic nothing is safe when you panic. So we have a situation where you admit there is limited threat but still it’s a BIG deal because… PANIC. You’ll have plenty of time to scapegoat her.
Jesus, man. Relax. Where did I try to crucify or scapegoat anyone? All I'm saying is that the timing and the subject of the issue is terrible given the emphasis on the value and import of these passwords expressed in the Peters trial. It's a big deal because it would be a whole lot better if we didn't have to explain away why it's totally fine that the same passwords that were a BIG DEAL a month ago are not a big deal now.
I don’t think if you ask 10 people off the street any one of them would bring up passwords to describe why Tina Peters is in prison. It’s not a big deal, there are safeguards in place, easily auditable. It’s big news because the threat is as dangerous as a fart but it’s close to the election and what a story “DEADLY FARTS!”.
ok. I guess we live on different streets.
Where is your street getting it’s news? Most people I know get their news from local outlets.
No mention of password in articles about Tina Peters sentencing:
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/local-politics/former-mesa-county-clerk-tina-peters-sentencing/73-8cf8c31c-ae16-4040-94e4-a6276e9be733
https://www.denver7.com/news/politics/youre-a-charlatan-judge-sentences-defiant-tina-peters-to-9-years-full-video
Not even the source for Colorado Politics™ and Republicans disinformation newspapers put anything about passwords.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/755787/former-colorado-election-worker-under-tina-peters-pleads-guilty-in-equipment-tampering-case/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Pmax_USA_Policy_High-Intent-Audience-Signals&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsoe5BhDiARIsAOXVoUtLBViNN4dzRlRgvHFbN67BLHeUrJghCQXt_TQEAgyvdEbwjWEM3CEaAvhdEALw_wcB
Where is this elitist news devouring street that they see the fine grains of an election law case?
Tina Peters’ crimes were discovered when the passwords were in a Powerpoint show & tell and were out on the ‘net.
The crimes charged explicitly did NOT rely on the password revelation — but on the methods of getting to the machines to take a complete image of a hard drive, including the proprietary software and some passwords used in the previous election.
If the less-than-secure list of passwords is a major issue, I suspect other computer hacks would also have become major issues. Anyone here remember
That was a great illustration of why this isn't that big of a story other than to out of touch elitist news junkies.
It is both serious and concerning. But I don't think resignation is necessary or wise, particularly right now as the SOS needs to focus on the election at hand. That said, there should be an external audit to shore up the system, reduncies, and security. That should be an ongoing process regardless of errors. I was disappointed that Kyle seemed to push on resignation. It's more important to shore up the system and fix the problems than focus on the politcial consequences for the officeholder.
Is it concerning or did you just need a second word? Is it really concerning that a simple sample ballot set would verify any tampering. So since the threat is exceedingly low why is it concerning other than a panicky overreaction?
SCOTUS declares democracy is a failed experiment. Donald Trump will establish an Imperial Dictatorship that will last one thousand years. Justice Neil Gorsuch declares this is a decision for the ages!
There is also the printing error that has rendered ballots from Moffat, Huerfano, and Las Animas counties unscannable. Griswold is not personally responsible, but to paraphrase Harry Truman: “the buck stops at her desk.” This is an example of an “unforced error” that makes the operation look bad; appearances; even if overall it works well.
County clerks own that, though you're right that Griswold has oversight responsibilties.
Aurora City Council dustup
https://sentinelcolorado.com/metro/whos-afraid-of-danielle-jurinsky/
Thank you for posting the article. It seems there is a common thread in the temperament and behavior in the Republican party.
Yeah, I think "thuggishness" is close to the mark. Or, is " thuggery" better?
I'd say "Mean Girls" behavior.
Thug is derived from the British Raj propaganda of a criminal cult worshipping Kali which would later serve as the basis of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. These people are more dramatic with out the colorfulness or flare expressed by Indian culture nor the subtle insidious nature of British colonizers.
The show and movie "Mean Girls" more appropriately mirror the behavior of the social preening and emotional bullying steming from insecurity that Republicans have been displaying.
So, it turns out Jeff Bezos is willing to become a Trump-whore because transactional relationships are the stuff of business and autocrats. This from Dana Milbank:
Yep … weird enough that it triggered massive subscription cancellations. Mine is among them … I will maintain access until my subscription is up in 2025, but unless there is (at least) a management apology and a reinforcement of the firewalls between business, editorial control, and news, my cancellation will hold.
I quit the LA Times long ago; the NY Times in 2016 as it played games with coverage of Clinton; Denver Post when it was acquired by Alden and laid off so many in the newsroom; 2024 the Washington Post. I'm contemplating a subscription to The Guardian — anyone have other recommendations?
Colorado Sun gives a good news bang for their $60 a year basic membership.
it's worthwhile remembering what Griswold's predecessors in the office did. Wayne Williams, for example, uncritically turned over all of Colorado's publicly available data to a bogus Trump election commission. Many states did not fully turn over everything requested by the commission, but Williams did.
And of course, Scott Gessler tried really hard to disenfranchise 30,000 voters based on their being "inactive". This disproportionately targeted working class voters who moved a lot. Had Williams or Gessler had this password exposure error happen under their watches, my guess is that Williams would have done whatever he needed to do to placate his party’s right wing fanatics. Gessler would've lied about it, blamed immigrants, and tried to monetize it somehow.
Gessler also was a terrible administrator, busting the budget and trying to eliminate fee funding for election operations. I didn't see David T8 clutching his pearls and demanding that the Governor replace either of Griswold's predecessors.
Griswold is a gigantic upgrade from those two
Agreed. The M/F + R/D double standard (or is that Quadruple or Exponential Standard?) are at play here.