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October 17, 2024 08:08 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Fortitude is the guard and support of the other virtues.”

–John Locke

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  1. In a "No Sh*t, Sherlock!" explainer, the New York Times warns that if elected, Trump could certainly do exactly as he has threatened — weaponizing the DOJ and corrupting the judiciary to persecute anyone who doesn't bow to his will — starting with political opponents and of course media that don't parrot his propaganda.

     

  2. Frame Wars (SIC). via David Kurtz at TPM.

    As for puncturing the Fox News bubble, Harris’ presence essentially did that, albeit for less than 30 minutes on a Wednesday evening in October. There’s only so much you can do. I’m reminded of this smart thread on debunking v. pre-bunking from two years ago by Jennifer Mercieca, a historian of American political rhetoric at Texas A&M: “Every day our political discourse is dominated by an agenda-setting war (what issues we should talk about) and a frame war (how we should frame/understand those issues). Again, so much of our political discourse is about controlling our political discourse.”

    Harris didn’t have much control over the Fox News agenda-setting: “immigration” – by which we really mean the vilification of people of color as “other” – dominated the first 10 mins of a 26-minute interview, and abortion never came up. But she was relentless in maintaining her own framing of the issues that did come up. The tradeoff – losing an agenda-setting battle in order to fight and try to win a framing battle – is the calculation the Harris campaign made in deciding it was worth it to reach some subset of voters.

    And it never hurts to force a little bit of reality into the faces of Fox News viewers.

  3. After reading this WaPo story, I'm starting to think it might not be a good idea to elect Tr*mp after all:

    Appearing at a town hall hosted by Univision, Trump was confronted by a self-identified Republican named Ramiro González who cast Trump’s actions surrounding Jan. 6 as a dealbreaker for him. González challenged Trump to win his support.

    But Trump made no apologies for that day. What he instead did was actually link himself to the rioters — stronger than he ever has before.

    “There were no guns down there; we didn’t have guns,” Trump said, before repeating: “The others had guns, but we didn’t have guns.”

    The first thing to note is that’s false; Trump supporters did have guns and many other weapons. But also consider what Trump has done rhetorically. He cast the insurrectionists as a “we.”

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