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November 02, 2020 06:11 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

It’s almost over.

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  1. Tomorrow may be election day but with Trump guaranteeing he'll challenge and encourage violence from his supporters, we'll be lucky to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. 

    1. Covid19 will quash much of the holiday merrymaking. But I don’t think that Trumper malaise will result in continued riots. 
      These folks are too lazy and too debilitated by their Fear Leader’s COVID spreading for that.

      Oh, Trump and his ghouls will encourage violence, and there will be ugly weeks ahead, even if Joe wins by 10 points and we take back the Senate and keep the House. Look for this to be primarily directed at folks of color, and we all need to stand up united against it. Be prepared for a general strike and massive street protests.

      In SCOTUS, we’ll probably lose Roe v Wade, but probably keep the election results and the ACA. The Corporatist victory won’t last forever- Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito are in their 70s. Steven Breyer is 82, and probably waiting for a Democratic President so he can retire. 
       

      Those are my election predictions.

      1. I think Roe v Wade should be overturned (cue all the pissed off replies).

        First, it's bad law. It was total overreach and was a big step toward the Supreme Court creating law & policy – which sucks a lot with a conservative court (and is wrong with a liberal court).

        Second, this decision belongs in the legislature. There is no "fact" on when a fetus becomes a "human." It is in some ways a philosophical call and it is definitely a decision based on beliefs, and that is for the legislature to work out.

        And from a crass political view, it would be good for Democrats. At present conservatives can win legislative seats being strongly against abortion because the voters know the Supreme Court will protect it. With that protection gone, you will see a lot of legislative seats flip to pro-choice candidates.

        1. So thousands of women bleeding out from botched illegal abortions is okay by you? 
           

          From Cosmopolitan’s piece on abortion pre – Roe: 
          Back in the '50s and '60s, every major metropolitan hospital in the U.S. had a septic abortion ward. The most common reason for admission to gynecological services in America was complication of abortion. When I was a doctor at L.A. County hospital in 1986, my predecessors who’d trained there told me the septic abortion ward at that hospital was a 20-bed, U-shaped ward, and they had two private rooms. These private rooms were there so women could be alone with their families as they died from complications of illegal abortions, and those rooms were always full. When the California laws changed in 1967 and abortion became legal in the state, those wards emptied, closed, and were converted to other uses.

          Guttmacher Institute tracked women’s deaths from illegal abortion, finding that poor and minority women were most at risk. In 1965, there was an infected or ill woman from a DIY abortion for every 17 deliveries.  

          The Plan B prescription abortions available now are somewhat safer, but aren’t “safe” if unsupervised by a doctor. 
          The court’s decision in 1973, declaring that women had rights to privacy, and to pursue, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness merely granted Constitutional protections to half the population ( women).

          1. >> So thousands of women bleeding out from botched illegal abortions is okay by you? 

            No. But I also don't think the ends justify the means. If we are to be a democracy then questions like this belong in the legislature. And that means people will die based on bad decisions.

            Just like people are dying now due to minimal action to address climate change.

            1. David: as a constitutional and common sense conservative, I will gently disagree with you. For me, Roe was a continuation of the Court recognizing that there is an implied right to privacy contained in the Constitution. The Court certainly went that direction in 1965 with its decision in Griswold v. Connecticut, and in other subsequent decisions regarding both contraception and abortion.

              I see that right to privacy reflected in the 3rd, 4th, and 14th amendments.

              1. I can see your point of view, and it's a legit one. But I dislike having the court reach on issues like this because there's a line between what should be the court's purview and what should be the legislature.

                And I think we should error on the side of leaving it to the legislature.

          2. Dial back the apocalyptic rhetoric.  Reversing Roe does not outlaw abortion, it only kicks the issue back to the states.  Many, like Colorado, New York and California will continue to have liberal abortion laws.  For the rest, expect a lot of medical tourism from the likes of Wyoming and Kansas to Colorado abortion providers. 

            1. I'm with the Kiwi on this one.

              This is not going to affect women in CO, NY, CA, or most of the other Blue States. Nor will it affect women with money in Red States. (Not that there are all that many people with money in Red States, but I digress.)

              This is screwing over poor women in Red States. They are the ones who will be forced to do DIY abortions.

              And medical tourism only works if the woman has the $$$ to book the tour.

    2. I'm hoping my conversations with friends after Tuesday will be the nuances of articulated streamers versus balanced leeches when fly fishing rather than the efficacy of 9mm versus .357.

      1. County parties staff a lot of the polls as well.

        I'm doing Election Protection and didn't see much of anything today (including voters) until I saw some BoCoDem mucketymucks in Lafayette.

  2. As a brief interlude away from all the political stuff, saw in today's Denver Post that today is Jay Black's 82nd birthday.

    He was the lead in the '60s group, Jay & The Americans. They had hits like "Come a Little Bit Closer,""Cara Mia,"" Let's lock the door and throw away the key."

    And back then, Donald J. Trump was just a grifting, con-man-in-training, living off daddy's money.

    1. Dump's always been a con-man-in-training, living off daddy's money; even today. His daddy f'd him up so badly that he'll never get away from the grift.

      Seeing his niece, Mary Trump, interviewed several times has illuminated more of Dump's debilitating flaws than any other critic has been able to. 

      It was one thing when the group of psychologists came out with dump's diagnosis as being a malignant narcissist but all they could work from was the 70-YO result result. Mary Trump saw it building bit by regrettable bit over decades.

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