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September 04, 2012 03:34 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

  • 67 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness.”

–Eleanor Roosevelt

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67 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. 1. Gays serving peacefully and without threat in the military, check

    2. No work requirement for welfare queens (psst, think white trailer trash), check

    3. New $1 Trillion healthcare tax on middle class, check

    4. 8.3% “official” unemployment, check

    5. All Americans forced to buy health insurance and have an ID to prove it, check

    6. Most Americans free to vote without ID, check

    7. Most Americans required to have an ID for public library “checkout” privileges, check

    8. High double digit “official” unemployment for women, blacks and Hispanics, check

    9. More nuke negotiation room promised to Vladimir, check

    10. Personally gave the order to take down Osama, he watched it live, and took the credit, check

    11. Joe Biden still making an ass of the Presidential Office, check

    12. $1 Trillion in unaccounted for “stimulus”

    13. National debt at $16 Trillion and no plan to tamp it back, check

    14. Lowest house sales and mortgage interest rates in 40 years, check

    15. Lowest business starts per capita – ever, check

    16. Nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps, check

    17. Business, individuals, and non profits forced to offer healthcare plans that counter their religion, check

    18. 25,000 potential Keystone pipeline jobs frozen, check

    19. Solyndra, Vestis, and Abound workers promised government driven sunshine now unemployed, check

    20. $Trillions in new FICA tax receipts promised, check

    21. More government spending, higher taxes and less local control of government promised, check

    22. El Rushbo hammering out top ratings, check

    23. Air America still DOA, check

    24. Keith Oberman still wondering why Maddow made it and he couldn’t, check

    25. 50%+ DPS dropout rate yet charters succeeding, check

    26. Social Security as we know it on course to collapse with no rational plan to fix it, check

    27. Medicare/caid as we know it on course to collapse with no plan to fix, check

    28. Fast & Furious … exporting weapons for terrorists and attempting to cover it up, check

    29. Firm plans to hike income and capital gains taxes, check

    30. Firm plans to divert even more private capital for government spending, check

    31. Dividing America vs Uniting and Leading America, check

      1. 1. Gays serving peacefully and without threat in the military, check

        5. All Americans forced to buy health insurance and have an ID to prove it, check

        6. Most Americans free to vote without ID, check

        7. Most Americans required to have an ID for public library “checkout” privileges, check  

        9. More nuke negotiation room promised to Vladimir, check

        10. Personally gave the order to take down Osama, he watched it live, and took the credit, check  

        15. Lowest business starts per capita – ever, check  

        20. $Trillions in new FICA tax receipts promised, check

        21. More government spending, higher taxes and less local control of government promised, check

        24. Keith Oberman still wondering why Maddow made it and he couldn’t, check

        26. Social Security as we know it on course to collapse with no rational plan to fix it, check

        27. Medicare/caid as we know it on course to collapse with no plan to fix, check

        29. Firm plans to hike income and capital gains taxes, check

        30. Firm plans to divert even more private capital for government spending, check  

        1. AND, I’ll source my list!

          Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

          http://www.washingtonmonthly.c

          A few of my favorites:

          6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

          (Y’know, the one that RomneyBot wouldn’t have gone after.)

          20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

          (That approx 12% of the population that RomneyBot now officially gives a shit about.)

          38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

          (and unlike the Republican’t party, which was opposed to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, this President supports the program AND is cracking down on the diploma mills that take veteran’s GI Bill money and give them squat in return.)

          Now, go back into your email lists and see if you can find anything remotely close to this…  

    1. Snark, of course.

      Despite years of admonishing you less for your position on issues than your methodology, you still don’t get it.

      It’s why BarronnX, American Patriot, elbee and others aren’t laughed at like you.  They don’t just cut and paste the latest propaganda from your overlords.

      The only Polster who will read your talking points is A-bot.

        1. milk is $5+ a gallon, gas cost more than ever B4, extremo taxes & onerous regs makes his grass cutting biz a pain, and there’s a half-black radical commie muslim in the WH.  

          There’s gonna be some “must see” TV this week — but aside from Biden likely not many angry old white men (at least he’s angry for the right reasons and will make Eastwood look like a SNL parody).

      1. If I hadn’t  done that, someone here would have cited an urban dictionary listing that said I was using racist language and referring only to American African women or some other twisted definition.

        Aren’t whites the largest recipients of welfare?

        1. “Because I’ve gotten so used to continuously spewing horrible racial epithets nearly every time I open my ignorant mouth, I now need some authority who can tell me that I’ve somehow missed a slur opportunity.”

  2. I do this for free, guys.  The repubs are starting off the dem convention by asking “Are you better off today than four years ago.” It is the talking point for the hundreds of thousands of hours of talk radio and will be the highlight of the repubs stump speeches.

    The dems, of course, are responding by talking to each other.

    My suggestion:  Beginning today, September 4, 2012 a a  two part commercial, updated each day.  On one side, September 4, 2008 and on the other, September 4, 2012.  Such a countdown to election day would show, graphically, how the economy was crashing and demonstrate factually that, of course, the country is better off today than four years ago,

    1. The Alex Bennet radio show on Sirius was asking callers to to comment on their lives. While obviously there is a lot of subjectivity in the answer, one man identified himself as an investment advisor.  He said that “everyone’s” 401K or 403B plans are up from 50% to 100%.

      “Osama’s dead, GM is alive, and your retirement plan is healthy!”

        1. But it’s a starting point and ammo around the water cooler.

          I also just heard that the Dow was about 7,000 in January 2009 and it’s now over 13,000.  So, there’s that virtual 100% improvement in 3.5 years.  Twenty-eight-ish percent a year.  Not shabby.

  3. Are you and your crickets still asleep?  It’s coffee, bacon, and eggs time here on Whitaker Bayou.  A glorious morning.

    I fear that you are avoiding me, A-bot!  Is that true?  Boo Hoo…..  What did I ever do to turn your heart from me? Point out your hypocrisy?  Ask a question you can’t answer without your head exploding?

    I know when it’s time to heal, lick my wounds from your feckless rejection.  I shall stop my harassment of you.

    At least until the next time you talk out of your ass.  I won’t have long to wait, I’m sure.

  4. “It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness.”

    –Eleanor Roosevelt

    Adlai Stevenson said this about her.

    JFK (same speech writer) said it before.

    It’s way older than any of them- in 10 second google search- it looks like a Chinese proverb that pre-dates  Confucius.

    But I woulda bet on Diogenes or Aristophenes or one of those Greek dudes. And it would have been lamp or light- not candle.

  5. I normally try to ignore Bill Maher. He’s entertaining, but a little too crass for my taste.

    He brought up a good point though: Where were the big-name Republicans during the RNC? Where were the Republican names that the average American knows?

        1. I. Was. So. Moved. By. His. Impassioned. Plea. He. Is. Right. America. Is. In. Danger. Of. Being. Taken. Over. By. The. Socialists.

          What the fuck, Chuck? Was there someone holding his kids hostage and forcing him and his wife to say those things? Even if you’re crazy enough to agree with him, that had to be painful to watch.

          1. I suppose that’s just the rate at which he could struggle through the teleprompter. One wonders how many takes are required for the guy to string a whole sentence together.

    1. and never expect intelligent people to refute their bullshit.

      If they weren’t so dangerous to Democracy and the Economy, Womens Rights and the Environment, Health and the pusuit of Happiness, I’d ignore them.

      But their ignorance is dangerous.

        1. Not so many switching to D but tons since the W days switching to U and leaning D in their voting. While the Ds remain the messy big tent party, the Rs have morphed into the unforgiving, uncompromising Borg. But resistance is NOT futile. Welcome to light side.


    2. We must work for an open global economy and pursue free and fair trade – to grow our exports and our influence abroad.  In the last years, the United States has ratified three trade agreements, all negotiated in the Bush Administration.  If you are concerned about China’s rise – consider this fact – China has signed 15 Free Trade Agreements and is negotiating 20 more.  Sadly we are abandoning the playing field of free trade – and it will come back to haunt us.

      We must not allow the chance to attain energy independence to slip from our grasp.  We have a great gift of oil and gas reserves here in North America that must be and can be developed while protecting our environment.  And we have the ingenuity in the private sector to tap alternative sources of energy.

      And most importantly, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild the foundation of American strength – our economy – stimulating private sector led growth and small business entrepreneurship.  When the world looks at us today they see an American government that cannot live within its means.  They see a government that continues to borrow money, mortgaging the future of generations to come.  The world knows that when a nation loses control of its finances, it eventually loses control of its destiny.  That is not the America that has inspired others to follow our lead.

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s

      1. “They see a government that continues to borrow money, mortgaging the future of generations to come.”

        Yes, Romney & Ryan favor massive tax cuts with no specific spending cuts sufficient to avoid massive increasing the debt — EXACTLY like Reagan & Bush, the last two supply-sider R presidents, massively increased the debt with massive tax cuts not counterbalanced by sufficient spending cuts.

        So the facts are 100% against the notion of Romney/Ryan, or any supply-siders, as debt-cutters. They’re debt-exploders.

        1. when Bush was President. Romney, whether as a Governor of a state, CEO of a company, or savior of the Olympics, never met a chunk of government largess he cared to turn down.

          Even now they’re pushing a big spending budget that will increase the debt and deficit while also increasing the tax burden on the middle class in order to give more breaks to the uber class. One more time, they are not interested in cutting the debt or deficit. Not at all. Never were.

          They are only interested in extreme conservative social engineering. They want to make America safe again for unfettered robber barons.  They want the masses to provide the cheapest possible labor and they don’t want to be bothered with health care for the working classes or security for the aged.

          What good are the sick, the poor and the old besides, I guess, for giving those inclined an opportunity to be charity angels and feel great about how generous they are. So you do need a few sick kids and poor old people around as excuses for Charity balls, golf tournaments, etc. That’s their idea of a safety net for the little people.


    3. In many ways Mitt Romney and I are very different. Different starts in life. Different paths to leadership. Different cultures.

      But we’ve each shared in the promise of America, and we share a core belief that the promise of America must be kept for the next generation.  

      El sueno Americanos es tener exito.  

      It’s success.

      Success is the American Dream.

      And that success is not something to be ashamed of, or to demonize.

      There is one candidate in this election who will protect that dream, one leader who will fight hard to keep the promise of America for the next generation.

      And that’s why we must stand up and make Mitt Romney the next president of the United States.

      Thank you!

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s


    4. South Carolina recently passed one of the most innovative illegal immigration laws in the country. What did this president – who has failed to secure our borders and address this issue in any meaningful way – do? He sued us.

      If this President refuses to secure our borders, refuses to protect our citizens from the dangers of illegal immigration, then states have an obligation to take it on ourselves.

      We said in South Carolina that if you have to show a picture ID to buy Sudafed and you have to show a picture ID to set foot on an airplane, then you should have to show a picture ID to protect one of the most valuable, most central, most sacred rights we are blessed with in America – the right to vote.

      And what happened? President Obama stopped us.

      And now we come to the most unbelievable of them all. In 2009, South Carolina was blessed to welcome a great American company that chose to stay in our country to continue to do business. That company was Boeing.

      Boeing started a new line for their 787 Dreamliner, creating 1,000 new jobs in South Carolina, giving our state a shot in the arm when we truly needed it. At the same time, they expanded their job numbers in Washington state by 2,000. Not a single person was hurt by their decision. Not one.

      And what did President Obama and his National Labor Relations Board do? They sued this iconic American company. It was shameful. And not worthy of the promise of America.



      But we did one of the things we do best in South Carolina – we got loud. We’re fighters in South Carolina, and as we fought we watched an amazing thing happen: you fought with us.

      And guess what, we won.

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s

      1. … when you write down your own original thoughts.

        So please do stick with the cut & paste; it’s less likely to feature racial slurs and nasty anti-gay comments than your own writing.

      2. I’m guessing these names and quotes are your answer to my question.

        Rice is a well-known name. I’ve kinda heard of Haley (so most Americans haven’t) and I’ve never heard of Martinez. So I don’t like your answer.

        1. I sense there’s something troubling you, especially with the post you made above…it just doesn’t seem like you.

          Rice is a well-known name. I’ve kinda heard of Haley (so most Americans haven’t) and I’ve never heard of Martinez. So I don’t like your answer.

          Over the last few months and most recently in the last 84 hours I have spent some time with active and leading Democrats … they all seem to be looking past the election and not engaged in putting Obama back in for four more.

          With Obama scaring up 13,000 (primarily white, out of state and down from 45,000 in 2008) CU students and the DNC set to launch this week, it is shocking to me to see this level of disengagement.

          Is there something going on behind the Democrat scenes – the quiet realization that Obama’s administration has been a complete failure?

          I spend time with GOPers too and they seem very worried that Obama will win. They are very shocked that most Americans don’t get it, they don’t see the damage this man has done to our nation, his failure to lead is so clear to them.

          I try to discuss with them the facts I hear from you … why liberal leftists love Obama, how many of you there are and what your turnout at the polls will be. I think I scare the living crap out of them.

          At the end of the day it probably makes them work harder to defeat Obama and that’s an outcome that most benefits them …. they double down their personal engagement to beat Obama, his Super PACs and $100M+ union boss organizers.

          1. only about one or two more imaginary conversations away from the time when two or three very nice men, all dressed in sharp white jackets, pull up to your mommy’s house and fit you for your very own . . .

            . . . don’t worry too much about those extra long sleeves — they can be tailored once you arrive at your very own private, “special meeting” room.

            1. Over the past few months and most recently over the last 84 hours I have been sharing cheese and crackers with various world leaders and the Bilderbergs, and they assure me that the fix is already in.  

          2. I see how the latest news about the impending NHL lockout has you confused about the initiative of South Korean police officers. When I talk to people about feline health, they always want to tell me how corrupt Romney is and how he is teh suxxors.

          3. Believe it or not.

            I read this post some hours ago, thought about it, and then decided to post.

            If you were to drop your infamous cut and pastes from your overlords and did these types of posts, your status here would rise.  Not that many of us would agree, but I think I can say that we “libs” would be much more willing to have what YOU have to say.

            Versus your Overlords.

  6. The FIRST Republican’t Presidential nominee since 1952 to NOT mention our brave men and women fighting overseas in his acceptance speech.

    Surrogates try and go into full spin on Sunday morning and fall flat, and fully admit to ignoring the troops in his speech:

    Yes, the RomneyBot’s speech to the American Legion is a perfectly acceptable (limited) venue to say whatever the crowd wants to hear and move on. But when it was time to “introduce” ver 3.0 to the American People, screw the troops and our veterans…they don’t send big checks!

    (And it’s SOP that the RomneyBot Surrogate made up a lie to say the President declined to appear at the convention.)

    Normally this plain contempt for the troops goes unnoticed by the Repub Apology committee in the media – except for one:


    The United States has some 68,000 troops fighting in Afghanistan. Over two thousand Americans have died in the more than ten years of that war, a war Mitt Romney has supported. Yet in his speech accepting his party’s nomination to be commander in chief, Mitt Romney said not a word about the war in Afghanistan. Nor did he utter a word of appreciation to the troops fighting there, or to those who have fought there. Nor for that matter were there thanks for those who fought in Iraq, another conflict that went unmentioned.

    Leave aside the question of the political wisdom of Romney’s silence, and the opportunities it opens up for President Obama next week. What about the civic propriety of a presidential nominee failing even to mention, in his acceptance speech, a war we’re fighting and our young men and women who are fighting it? Has it ever happened that we’ve been at war and a presidential nominee has ignored, in this kind of major and formal speech, the war and our warriors?

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/

    (Yes that will probably be the ONLY time I quote Bill Kristol.)

    This is not the “gaffe” of the campaign that ellbee lamely tried to pin on President Obama. This is a telling, cold hard fact that The RomneyBot is completely unfit to serve as Commander in Chief.

    BTW – the Democratic Party, the one that actually has our veteran’s back, is going to have a speech by a local Denver OEF vet as part of their primetime presentation.  

    1. He didn’t mention any, like, you know, plans or ideas to accomplish all the things that he’s promising.

      And most of the runner up speakers only talked about themselves and barely mentioned….who was that again?

      And they thought Clinton would be bad because he wasn’t a vet……….

    2. It’s just part of the way they see the world.

      When they think about “business” the workers and their families, consumers, or the American economy don’t make it onto their radar. Business is a money-making activity for them and their friends. That’s it.

      When they think about “defense” the troops and their families, even the safety of the American people or the security of our allies don’t make it onto their radar. Defense is a money-making deal for them and their friends. That’s it.

      How the hell could Romney and the Wall Street/NeoCon/Republican elites surrounding him address gratitude to our Armed Services members and concern for their wellbeing, when these people don’t even exist in their world? They don’t even exist.

      Nor do most of the rest of us.

  7. an overlord . . .

    Bankruptcy for Billionaires  . . . When Bain walks out on its debts, it’s business as usual.


    . . . When a debt-laden company (like Contec) owned by a private-equity firm (like Bain) runs into trouble, the bespoke-suited bankers have a few options.  They can roll up their Thomas Pink shirtsleeves and attempt a turnaround, deploy idle money in their funds to shore up the company, or sell profitable investments in the fund to raise new cash.  Or the guys who own the private-equity firm-hell-bent on salvaging the investment and preserving jobs-could use part of their vast fortunes to pay the debt.

    They rarely do.  In fact, companies owned and effectively managed by billionaires routinely fall behind or default on their obligations, all for want of a few million dollars.  LifeCare Holdings, a hospital chain owned by the Carlyle Group, missed a $5.5 million interest payment due Aug. 15 on $119.3 million in notes.  It’s worth mentioning that Carlyle’s top three executives earned a combined $400 million in 2011.

    Walking away from bad debts is a feature-not a bug-of the industry.  This year Standard & Poor’s has tallied 29 major debt defaults by large U.S. companies.  By my count, at least 14 were backed by private-equity firms.

    . . .

    Is it any coincidence that the first private-equity baron to run for president is proposing something similar?  The Ryan plan-now largely the Ryan-Romney plan-is an exercise in walking away.  Medicare and Social Security, we are told, are in danger of going bankrupt.  That’s because these enterprises’ wealthy backers-i.e, Washington politicians-have chosen not to fund the levels of expenditures promised to America’s rapidly aging population.  Rather than raise new funds or reallocate existing resources, Republicans propose to turn Medicare into a voucher program and to consider raising the retirement age for Social Security.  Across the country, governors and legislators who repeatedly refused to fund the retirement and health-care benefits promised to state employees are also trying to walk away.

    Just like private-equity bosses, political leaders are choosing not to afford financial commitments-and betting they won’t suffer any sanctions as a result.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/n

    1. that entrepreneurs/CEOs take the big risks and so richly deserve the outsized rewards, while the workers are just lucky to have jobs and have only themselves to blame if they lose them by daring to organize to demand job killing better pay and benefits, is the biggest lie of all the GOP big lies.  

      There is no safety net more comfy and cushy than the tax payer supported spun gold safety net there for the corporate/financial overlords, leaving them free to dream up new destructive ways to suck profit out of the economy while putting nothing of their own at risk. They are the opposite of risk takers and the opposite of job creators. With a boost from the new Lyin’ Ryan narrative, Obama and friends at the convention have a golden messaging opportunity.

      Dems may as well stop worrying about pissing Wall Street off because that ship has sailed. Time to go for it with the little people. They still are the ones who make up more than 99% of the vote. More can be grabbed. Encouraged by signs Dems intend to take full advantage and don’t seem to be making the kind of complacency mistakes made by Kerry and Gore.  Weak and fading GOP bump attests to that. Hope to see them stay aggressive, push harder and do some convention bumping themselves.

       

        1. Thank God our key financial sector holding was a solid bank who continues to manage itself with fiscal discipline, strong capitalization and a specific knowledge of their risk tolerances and levels.

  8. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new

    Lemme’ see:

    First, we gots us this here plague of rats . . .

    Then, we gots us that there flood . . .

    Now, we gots us anuther plague — this time it be dead rats . . .

    Soon, we gonna’ gots a plague of flies . . .

    And, then it’ll shorely be a plague of frogs . . .

    Followed by, that there (electoral) slaughter of George Romney’s last born . . .

    Hmmmmm . . . Tinks maybe God’s atryin’ to tell us alittle sumpun’?



    (Nutria — aka “swamp rat” — shown for scale)

  9. “My experience has been that trades-unions, upon the whole, are beneficial both to labor and to capital. They certainly educate the workingman, and give them a truer conception of the relations of capital and labor than they could otherwise form.”

    Andrew Carnegie

    One of the Industrial Revolutions Richest Men

    From His Newspaper Article called:

    “An Employers View” – 1879

    1. Carnegie thought his employees were that ignorant?

      I do agree certain corporations think that unions are benefitial, as long as the union boss is playing his part. And in some cases where skilled tradesmen are the key value, unions can play a benefitial part as long as they are not closed shops and allow QA to drive pay and job retention.

      However, today most union members are government employees….and we all know this….Roosevelt thought they were “unthinkable and intolerable”.

      That all changed in 1959 ….FDR Warned Us About Public Sector Unions

      http://www.nytimes.com/roomfor

  10. Barrack knows, he’s lived it. He eats dinner with his family nearly every night, answering their questions.

    He doesn’t begrudge anyone’s success. But remember you didn’t build it and he wants a piece of it.

  11. The opening night of the Dem convention rocked, vibrant, buzzing with energy, one great speech after another. Michelle and Castro absolutely killed and every speech was about being for Obama and for hard  working, ordinary Americans. These were all people who know first hand about struggling to get ahead, not princelings who think everybody has parents from whom they can borrow money to go to school and start a business.

    Last week most of the R speakers barely mentioned Romney.  In fact between Lyin’ Ryan, crazy Uncle Clint, and all the speakers in between blowing their own horns and largely ignoring Mittens, Romney seemed almost like an after thought at his own convention.

    Bill is going to be great.  Can’t wait.

    1. Any word on security measures?  The Tampa based NPR had a lot of commentary and interviews on how people’s lives were pretty messed up by the extreme security measures. Many merchants found themselves almost impossible to access, or park anywhere where they needed to, and lost lots of money.  Twelve foot chain link fences to keep the protesters in the concentration camp.

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