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What’s that gub-i-natorial word mean?
where you came from, would you?
is correct over the border in Tancredoland.
built around Tancredoland for national security?
or a clever hidden message as to his choice for running mate?
Guber? Goober!
Potato, Potahto
And calendars too.
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What better way to spend an afternoon ?
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grabbing for coattails, mostly.
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They’ll even have to set up two tables.
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Skylar was there, and so was someone who introduced himself to Mike Littwin with, “hi, I’m Mike Littwin.” Hi also to Trevor and Don Johnson, who is either from Miami Vice or BusinessWord blog. Hi to Leslie from a newspaper we can actually link to, that breaks more Colorado politics stories than the Denver Past.
I have to say I was impressed with the level of organization exhibited by the Tanc Team. They already have 5 or 6 professional-looking volunteers doing the advance stuff, handling interview requests, coordinating support. Maybe they are on loan from (or poached from ?) other campaigns or organizations ?
I heard something about either they have already had a lawyer look into the ACP platform, or they were about to do that. The Tancredo platform and the ACP’s platforms don’t appear to match up 100%.
Several reporters asked about platform.
It sounded like an office would be opening in the Denver Metro area next week, and there might already be one on the Western Slope. It also sounded like they had a boatload of people who wanted to donate, but the website wasn’t accepting donations yet.
I had contacted them to recommend that Ben Goss be approached to help with new media; he’s pretty smart about that stuff. I don’t think he’s been called.
Lots of joking about the spell checker being on vacation.
There were 2 members of the ACP Executive Committee there, but they didn’t speak to the press. I sat in on their chat with the candidate.
Littwin tried to make a point about the ACP rank and file not being interested in the Tancredo candidacy. I think that fizzled.
I think there were 8 TV stations or networks there, including Univision. 8 bloggers that I knew of, and 6 print reporters I recognized. And about 8 people who were just relaxing in the clubhouse, or trying to. Plus one golden poodle that wouldn’t leave Mrs. Tancredo alone. Sorta like reporters who repeated the Question about
which was asked about 20 times. I thought Tom answered them straight up, but they kept saying that he dodged it. Going for a headline gotcha quote, I guess.
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All in all, very impressive, considering this was pulled together in less than 2 weeks. If I heard correctly, Tom was campaigning for Scott on ? 16 July ? when the Water Musings story broke.
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But he’s still a crazy xenophobe with no hope of winning the election.
Of course, he’ll do better than anyone from you party has done before.
If that’s what floats your boat, fine. But he’ll abandon you as quickly as he abandoned his former party if someone cuts him a better deal.
Tancredo is not to be trusted.
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But I don’t think that word “xenophobe” means what you think it means.
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I got that definition from Wikipedia and it seems to perfectly fit your darling.
What a great start to the destruction of conservatism in Colorado. Sorry if I’m not more enthused.
thoughtful, . . . topical, . . . coherent, . . . and a well expressed sentiment.
(OK buddy, who are you really? And, WTF have you done with BJ?)
He imagines contempt is respect, indifference is awe, and faint praise is worship. If you encourage him, he’ll start getting comfortable approaching human beings looking for more morsels, and then he’ll have to be tagged and relocated, and eventually put down if he finds his way back to populated areas. C’mon, Dio; keep our wildlife wild.
Thanks for making me feel better about my blunder.
It’s the wild wild west out here; all you hippies and liberals go home to your designated cages *ahem* “populated areas”.
“destruction” and “conservatism” in the same sentence is bound to meet your approval. But that’s due to ideology, not eloquence.
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This reverses the GOP’s success in that area a little bit.
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Those you are calling “conservatives” are doing a pretty good job of destroying any chance of the GOP having any voice. And the big losers are the vast majority in the middle, who would like to see our country become less ideological and more pragmatic, less driven by extremists and more driven by pragmatists, less about shouting people down in town hall meetings and more about putting all ideas on the table and trying to figure out which ones have the best chance of working.
Sounds like an elitist joint. Why couldn’t he go down the street to Bandimere Speedway and announce there?
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Doubt they’d let me in under other circumstances.
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Too bad 2 of the 3 in that clip have been banned from MSNBC. I have to seriously wonder what’s going on there that the only one allowed back to MSNBC (the librul media) is Tom Tancredo? Phil Griffith assures me they are unrelated issues at work. Just seems sad.
Sorry to go off topic. Had to get it off my chest.
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If not, where ya goin’ with this ?
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For the record, I don’t like his “this is our culture – fight for it line”. It could be perceived as racist. “way of life” would have been better than “culture”.
How can you think ANYTHING he says “could be perceived as racist?”
Tank’s just a warm fuzzy kitten.
Tanc’s done many, many things that “could be perceived as racist.” Addressing southern racists and singing “Dixie” with them, for starters.
But that’s actually a spot-on observation from you – for once.
I don’t like Tancredo. He’s a big government guy – voted for TARP, pork spending, etc. He’s also a bit of an opportunist and I don’t know that I trust him. I’m going for Maes.
he broke his term limits pledge, just like he’s breaking his own advice not to run in 3rd parties because they split the conservative vote. He’s a hypocrite.
You can vote for Maes and the Tank!
But you better make the first vote Aug 10, as Twitty’s cloudy crystal ball says McInnis gets the nod.
between Maes, Tancredo, and the Looper. If McInnis wins his replacement better be pretty good or I’ll just sit this one out.
The replacement committee is probably open to suggestions.
is bound to end up in a sig line, so I can’t answer it. If I had my way they’d put Shawn Mitchell in there, but it’s not going to happen. He doesn’t have enough statewide name recognition to throw together a campaign at this late date. I’m not entirely sure that anyone would drop out anyway.
And you think the lack of name recognition is why he won’t win?
I’m not suggesting any vacant nominee can win. But Shawn Mitchell would have more obstacles than many.
And I thought you were proud of how often you get prmoted by others’ sig lines.
to understand the “underpants” reference. I’m proud of getting promoted so often in sig lines – but this response would not promote me. I guess I can say this – I don’t have enough experience to run for office (yet). Putting that in a sig line won’t hurt me.
I understand your disgust for Tancredo. But, you’d rather vote for the failed “businessman” Maes than Hickenlooper? Isn’t this the time to put your partisan crap aside and admit that Hickenlooper is the only reasonable choice in this election? If not now, then never?
What are you talking about? He did just fine.
and deflecting blame are all well established in the business world.
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He stuck his neck out, gave it his best shot, got knocked down but he got up again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
I admire that. His story as a businessman sounds a bit like mine.
The problem is, he hinted that he was a captain of industry. He was not. He never should have allowed any part of his tax records to be reported.
Cleve Tidwell also suggested that he was a captain of industry, never released any substantive records, and I still imagine to this day that he made almost half as much as Michael Bennet. It’s a powerful illusion, especially to folks who have attempted to start or run a business.
A librarian told me once that about 5% of all Americans write a book. wow.
I imagine that about 10 – 20% start a business, and about 5% succeed. Total guess.
Some of my neighbors who’ve never owned a business or tried to build one have NO CLUE what “America the Concept” is about. Most are Vets, and they talk like they think that serving in the military is the central quintessential patriotic American experience. Nope. Every country has Vets, loads of ’em, and that doesn’t much concern national character.
While Calvin Coolidge was noted for remarking
I remember best his quip that
But Americans have little tolerance for pretentiousness.
That’s what killed Dan Maes as a candidate, not being poor, and not some technical campaign finance violations that the press can’t even explain in simple language. Folks seem to agree with Dan that they are like parking tickets.
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but I just don’t think Maes was that pretentious, or that that would even doom his candidacy. After all, you have to have a healthy level of self confidence to run for office. Can you name one specific thing he misrepresented about himself? Based on his resume, he looks like a pretty successful businessman to me, despite how much he made in any given year.
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But his rep was that he was a very successful businessman who was going to apply the lessons of his business success to the management of the state government.
Maybe that came from exuberant staffers, I don’t know.
Frankly, I assumed that he was a multi-millionaire. I am a little embarrassed to admit that I had valued him as a person based largely on what I imagined about his wealth.
If he had openly explained that he was a pretty small-time businessman, I don’t think he would have garnered so much attention or support at the Tea Party events I attended because, frankly, he had less proven success than most of the business people in the room, who were attracted to him mostly for his imputed business savvy.
That business savvy is what got people to pay attention to him in the first place. Without it, neither you nor I would even know his name. Now it turns out that there’s no hard evidence of that savvy.
I knew that his business experience was in the credit reporting field, and I thought his company might be the one that fed data to the collection agency that calls me about 50 times a day over $8 that MCI says I owe them from 4 years ago.
If that was the case, and voters figured out he was tied to a collection agency, I figured he was toast as a candidate.
Turns out he was involved with a different type of credit reporting. My bad.
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So, anyway, when I saw that he and his wife together made $11,000 one year, I thought that he really wasn’t such a success at creating and growing a business. I personally haven’t billed a nickel this year, but my wife has made well over $11K.
I had a couple years in the not-too-distant past where I billed several times what he made in his best years, and I don’t consider myself particularly successful.
(Except for the fact that I get to devote a lot of my time to trying to fix what I think are really important problems confronting the nation, and there is no satisfaction like thinking that what you’re doing is important. There’s a TR quote for that, too.)
I don’t hold it against him that he made so little those 2 years. I have found recently that watching every dollar has made me more sensitive to a lot of things I had taken for granted. I am even applying for jobs, asking to work for someone else, which I don’t really want to go back to, and – wow – it’s hard for an old guy to compete.
So it isn’t evident that Dan is any better at business than me. Plus, it’s not clear to me that he understands the ways that government is fundamentally different from business.
So that’s why I say “pretentiousness.” Pretending to be something he’s not.
It’s like if I claimed to be a combat vet. I ran against a guy in 2006 who made that claim falsely. I’ll never forget that about that guy. It will always diminish him.
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I think he succeeded in building the business, which is the important thing. If he took a lower salary some years, he made that up the year he sold the business. It’s like baseball – some years are building years.
Doesn’t know what he is talking about and is basically supported because he’s the ‘other guy.’ About anyone (other than Scooter) would do.
He has pushed his ‘acumen’ as a businessman, however, as his primary qualifications–hinting that it bestows upon him some profound sense of fiscal wisdom. I don’t see such wisdom in his actions (or words).
I would never vote for anyone that thinks it is the job of a governor to ‘beg forgiveness’ from any particular industry. I find that beyond distasteful.
All that said, starting a business is difficult. And kudos to him for doing so.
Are you sure about this?
Was he in Congress then?
passed under Bush, so Tanc had the chance to vote on it.
is an eyesore! Anybody agree? It also looks like there are two beer mugs in the background…
Either way it hurts to look at for too long. This is a serious PR fail right outta the gate. Wrong dates? Glaring misspelling. Who misspells the office they’re running for?!? Excellent confidence booster!
What an ass.
It’s not even the corny “tanc tough” slogan that’s bad, it’s the whole thing! How are we to take this guy seriously? Wait a sec, nobody ever took Tancredo seriously!
must have been a long night out celebrating Tanc’s imminent rise to Power.
cf. Homer Simpson
I will probably be voting for Tom.
I already voted for Dan Maes in the primary, but even if he were the candidate, I just don’t think he has the mojo to be competitive with John Hickenlooper.
I honestly could not see myself voting for Scott McInnis in the General Election even if he were the Republican candidate, I just find him to be very distasteful. If Tancredo were not running at that point, I would more than likely undervote that race.
If he runs away from a snarky weenie like Kos?
What do you think he would accomplish for Colorado as our Governor?
I think he will be able to accomplish much as a Governor, as it is that I think he will be a better competitor against John Hickenlooper.
Either way it is more of a protest vote than anything else. I don’t think either one of the Republican candidates have the ability to perform well in the general election due to their already known baggage and I really do not like Hickenlooper.
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and what did they say ?
there are 23 comments as I write this, but the counter says 33.
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They must have deleted a comment and it took all the responses away too.
I don’t recall an outing appearing in the thread before I posted my comment.
I saw something against the rules in a Romanoff/Bennet diary earlier that’s gone now, and I notice that there’s nobody named Firewalker anymore.
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Was it an unsubstantiated personal attack ? That’ll get ya banned.
So, can folks recall what that string was about, limited to the Tancredo topic ?
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F**king Dead Guvs!
I’m sure all those Tea Partiers who read ColoradoPols will rise up and defend their right to call Obama a Kenyan… waiting… *crickets*
You were posting ahead of the clock time that the rest of us are in. It’s been known to happen whenever you wander into a parallel universe looking for a place to pee. The best exit strategy is to slowly back away from the keyboard and come back in 60 seconds. Time shifts are usually of a short duration.
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you correctly diagnosed the problem, and your solution worked on the second try.
Thanks.
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and then perhaps a jump to the right? You may have put your hands on your hips and pulled your knees in tight?
Any of that sound familiar?
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But alas, no, I didn’t think to use those enhancements. If I had, it probably would have worked on the first try.
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the “Hokey Pokey” EK is describing. Nicht wahr, EK?
Or is it…”Balling the Jack”?
For repeatedly trying to “out” someone. The way the Soapblox software is configured, when someone is banned, all of their comments are automatically erased (which thus erases any comments that were a reply to said comment). This is particularly handy for spammers, so that you don’t have to go find and delete every comment about erectile dysfunction. It’s not a perfect solution when someone is banned for violating Pols Posting rules.
That describes Tanc to a T.
But I thought he was going with signs that just said “TANCREDO!” Just like in 1998, his signs said “!VIVA TANCREDO!” – until Tancredo realized he didn’t like Messicans.
In honor of Tancredo’s candidacy, The Clubhouse at Solterra & Rooney Ranch is being officially re-named “The Clubhouse at Sun Terrace & Rooney Ranch” for the evening.
On Pete Boyle’s morning sausage-fest yesterday, he and his puppet-callers were talking about slogans, songs, billboards and such; guess they should have covered spelling, too.
The sloppy nature of all of this just makes me laugh; Tancredo has the “urgency of now”, having to get into the race immediately to save Colorado. It’s just a damn joke and while I heap pity and scorn on the CO GOP, I’m laughing my ass off at teabag Tom.
Maybe a spelling bee will break out during the ‘event’ today. LOL
And I say this having liked Lamm in the past
Republican party regulars had a process, They voted at the caucus, assembly, convention. They were hard working and participated as good citizens should. “Powers which Be” are totally disregarding the vote of these people. Why would anyone vote in the republican primary? The “Powers which Be” are already broadcasting (literally) that whoever wins the republican primary will be asked to step aside and someone “big” will be appointed to run as the Republican candidate for governor.
None of the these republicans, with the exception of Dan Maes, seems to be the least bit upset that a handful of people can arbitrarily declare the primary null and void. Democracy depends on the intuitive and instinctive reaction of the average person to say WTF? This is not fair!
The rank and file republicans in this state have lost that.
That scares the hell out of me. The dems are cowed and I don’t like that, but they haven’t subverted the vote or insulted the average rank and file member.
As for the American Constitutional Party…it has a very specific platform. I don’t support any of it, today. Once I did feel so strongly about one plank that I voted for that party In 1998. I take democracy and our constitution very seriously.
To see these yahoos like tancredo selling out our heritage for a pot of pottage…..makes me vomit.
Mea culpa: the problem here for myself and many others is that this has all been so ludicrious that it’s way, way to easy to get lost in the funny at the expense of the serious.
(Having said that, trying to have a serious thought about anything remotely related to ttttancredo really makes me question my own sanity.)
Right now, the ball is in the Republican’s court. What are you all planning to to do about having your party betters tell you, “f**k your caucus, and f**k your primary, and if you don’t like who we ultimatley decide for you to like, well then f**k you too”?
Am I the only one surprised that there isn’t even one Republican leader publicly holding the party accountable for disenfranchising its members?
Isn’t about time to turn some of that infamous righteous outrage on the one group of people most contemptuous of, and unconcerned about, your collective choices?
No one in the Democratic Party would ever think such a thing…um, …would they?
It was a barn burner and the party registered hundreds of thousands of new voters because of it. I guess you had your head wedged too tightly to see what a donnybrook of democracy it was. Locally our spunky state legislature guy who has tons of experience it running against an equally talented incumbent who if proving to be an adept legislator. I guess you had your head wedged too tightly to see that one either.
That wasn’t my point. I guess my head is wedged too tightly for me to clearly express myself.
Nevermind.
I didn’t get your reference and was in a mood to be a butthead last night. Again my apologies.
You’re wrong if you think that I’m going to be defending the “Democratic Party leadership,” at any level.
I was trying to draw a loose parallel to the AR/Bennet situation. Not very effectively, apparently.
While certainly not to the extreme extent of the GOP kingmakers, it’s still kind of an “up yours”.
I don’t mind the appointment, but I do mind all the bellyaching by people who criticize Andrew for running.
I have no patience w/that POV.
but he promised when he entered the race as the challenger to the incumbent that he wouldn’t split the party and run a high quality race. I have been disappointed that his campaign degenerated into trying to frame Bennet as a bad person. “Vote for me because the other guy is worse.” Not exactly the white knight we’re doing things differently path. I’ll vote for Romanoff if he wins the primary but he isn’t any great shakes and I think less of him now than before he entered the race.
and both well said.
Disenfranchise is the word I was looking for and couldn’t find.
Couldn’t agree more. That’s the reason I support Dan.
It’s not democracy if the central committee overrules the vote whenever they don’t like it.
He’ll think the Republicans are some kind of commie socialist plot.
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Mommy, that’s no fair. No do-overs.
We won fair-and-square, and now the other side has recognized that their candidate, whoever it is, cannot win, so they want to get another chance. No fair. We won.
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If the fact that GOP party leaders can, within party bylaws, grant themselves a do-over, and that fact really makes you fear for the future of your country, I suggest that you quit the GOP. Quit supporting them with your time and your money.
May I remind you that rank-and-file Republicans didn’t choose McInnis, Phil Anschutz did, or would that be indelicate ?
Before any plain ol’ Republican ever thought about going to Caucus, the rich folks that tell the party leaders what to do had already run off all but 1 candidate, or so they thought. Dan Maes got where he is today on pure spunk, in the face of every obstacle the party insiders could throw in his way.
This is one definition of corruption, and it applies just as much to your beloved Democratic party.
So what you really don’t like about all this Tancredo stuff is someone not in the power elite making an end run around the control of the party by a handful of powerbrokers. The nerve.
I know, I know. Don’t put words in your mouth.
But this is as phony and as false a post as you’ve ever posted: fearful for the country because the Republicans get to dump unelectable candidates. Your party should get to waltz to victory, and the Republican rank and file have even less say in the General than they did in the Caucus, Assembly and Primary, because that would lead to your team winning.
Transparent baloney.
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I can damm well be afraid for my country w/o seeking your gd approval first.
I don’t give a f*9& about Tancredo other than the fact that he exposed the American Constiutional Party. Don’t its members care about their platform? Or, are they simply for sale to the highest bidder….Tancredo claims he will pull in millions in the first few weeks of his campaign….now who gets a piece of that action??
My anger is not at the republicans “Mr. Bigs” who are disenfranchising the republican rank and file. But at the rank and file who are being screwed and are silent as the lambs.
As for the democrats…we are having a rather vigorous primary campaign for the senate. No party is perfect…but
what really pissed off a lot of democrats was the idea that someone, Mr. Big, (ie the President of the United States) would intervene in our local primary. So we are fighting like hell…NOT TO BE DISENFRANCHISED….
gd, BX, I need to thank you. I just realized, for the first time in months, that I am proud to be a member of the Colorado Democratic Party…win, lose or draw. We have not given up on the power of the vote and are fighting the good fight…..striving and not yielding….good god, is it possible that “happy days are here again?”
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Paraphrasing,
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I think you have what psychologists call a “boundary problem.” Inserting yourself into my posting and then distorting what I said in order to claim credit for my thought is inappropriate, another word which psychologists use to define someone who cannot respect or identify another’s personal space, among other behaviors.
Quite frankly, BX. I don’t think your reactions have anything to do with me. You are usually quite articulate and on topic.
Now, am I correct that you are a member of the American Constitutional Party? I may be wrong…I just can’t quite remember. If you are, I would really like to hear how you feel about Tancredo taking over.
That would be of value to all of us.
If not, never mind.
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How I feel about Tancredo taking over ?
Not sure that he has.
The same folks sit on the Exec Committee that sat on it before his switch.
Except for Ben Goss, all the same candidates are still running.
The platform, which has some items I don’t agree with, remains intact.
Tancredo has said that he will not campaign for other ACP candidates. Hmmm.
He has not said anything that I know of about changing the ACP, building it up, contributing funds, or contributing advice or leadership. Near as I could tell yesterday, he didn’t want to talk to or about the party.
He has not, to my knowledge, said anything about how the 2 Party system is in any way dysfunctional or corrupt. He has not said that a vibrant 3rd Party would help to rein excesses of the 2 majors.
There’s no link on his campaign site to the party. In fact, the only time he even mentions the ACP is in his press release on pressuring the 2 GOP candidates to drop out.
At his announcement yesterday, I got the impression that he didn’t feel constrained by the ACP platform, and the party officials there didn’t seem to mind. That’s not their official position, but they seem well pleased that the party is getting any recognition at all.
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In what way would you say that Congressman Tancredo has taken over the ACP ?
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I should have qualified that Tancredo was “taking over” the ACP candidacy for governor.
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Your assertion is that you are afraid for the future of your country because the GOP is looking at correcting a grievous error they made.
This exceeds the boundary of common sense.
And then blind partisans pile on, whining “no fair, no fair.”
The GOP should not be able to correct errors, because then a weak Dem candidate might not win.
All partisanship, all the time. You threaten the foundations of the Republic with your partisanship, and then make the ridiculous claim that the GOP should not be permitted to be equally partisan, because their partisanship is dangerous.
Yeah, that’s about boundaries.
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The voters who put McInnis and Maes on the ballot are not involved in “correcting a grievous error.” The voters who put McInnis and Maes on the ballot seem to me to be curiously passive as some people in the GOP, unnamed, certainly not Wadhams, (who has publicly said he would support the winner of the primary) are somehow going to force the winner of the republican primary off the November ballot and replace the winner with someone else of their private choosing.
We correct grievous political errors, in this country, at the ballot box or if crimes have been committed, then through the judicial system. We do not authorize unnamed parties to strong arm candidates elected to be on the ballot through their party’s process and we should not tolerate that process.
My concern is that the republican rank and file are tolerating this process. As Americans they should not.
Hell, BX, you are not even a republican…..yet you are jumping to the defense of “Powers that Be” who will correct a grievous error……god, I hate that term, in and of itself. Citizens participating in a legally constituted process within their party are somehow guilty of committing a “grievous error” which they have no power to correct and then must defer to some unknown powerful person who will “take care of the problem.”
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This sounds like a complaint against the Constitution Party for trying to advance their (our) agenda.
Your heritage, as a supporter of one of the two major parties, is one of vesting all control in an unseen elite. You support Bennet and Hickenlooper because Gill and Stryker let you. These candidates were selected in a backroom. You heard about them after the power elite had vetted and selected them.
The proletarians (rank and file Dems and Repubs) have nothing to lose but their chains.
Why do you oppose voters having real choices ?
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but there isn’t. Campaigns require money to pay for their expenses, and no matter what laws you pass, the big money will always find its way back in somehow. Unless you want to go live in a hell hole like Cuba, I guess it’s the price we pay for democracy.
but this is twice this week that I had to nod at one of your posts.
I’m thinking the best we can do is make sure that it is transparent where the money comes from and prosecute when people abuse the system.
that maybe we’ll take him a little more seriously.
I’ve actually always been pretty reasonable; it’s just the spectacular flame wars I get into with hard core leftists that make me seem more extreme. 🙂
but don’t invoke my name in service to it.
What would I be without you as a foil?
Don’t you go start campaigning or anything. I like you right here where I can keep an eye on you.
continue to combine an obnoxiously smug attitude with the profound absence of any justification for it. The rest of us enjoy the constancy it provides.
Justification occurs on November 2nd.
you’ll still be a clueless idiot on November 3.
but the rest of America will agree with me.
how much difficulty you have taking responsibility for yourself as an individual rather than constantly hiding behind the group with which you identify. Try to get this through your thick skull: People here do not criticize you for being some generic adherent to a conservative political ideology, but rather for being a particularly obnoxious and ignorant individual. Strange that we liberals have no trouble identifying you as an individual, while you for some reason seem incapable of identifying yourself as one, no matter how many times it’s explained to you.
Hey you never answered my question – are you a capitalist?
Pot, meet kettle.
In the land of loons,
And out-of-tune ‘toons,
An irrelevant elephant
Played the buffoon;
He stomped and he sputtered,
Mimicked and muttered,
And planted his flag
Beneath even the gutter;
Not the least in jest,
He proclaimed himself best,
Oblivious to all,
Who all thought him a pest;
Fluent only in “fool”,
A tongue full of bull,
He posed like a peacock,
Though a lobotomized tool;
He parrots retorts,
With self-satisfied snorts,
Emptily full
Of absurd self-import.
And so goes the tale,
Of this fragile and frail,
So blithely deluded,
Unshelled little snail;
As bright as a pit,
An epic dim-wit,
He struts and he crows;
The blog’s prize-winning twit.
You sure can rhyme words, but that doesn’t mean you have anything particularly important to say. Of course, if you’re a student of Aristotle, that makes sense. I will give you this; at least your comments evoke responses (well half the time anyway).
False defamatory factual allegations cross a well-defined legal line. Give me half an excuse to haul your scrawny little ass into court, and I’ll do it just to cut my teeth on you.
You’re going to sue me for saying that you don’t have anything particularly important to say? I’d love to see that hissy fit in court. Waaah! I’m Steve Harvey! I’m a candidate for public office! Why won’t people listen to me! Waaah!
you admit below to knowing what the false defamatory factual statement is, which is always nice to have documented so neatly. And, no, a jury wouldn’t throw it out, because you’re legally at fault. You knowingly published a false defamatory factual statement, which satisfies the elements of both criminal and civil libel, including for candidates and public officials (and you didn’t have to definitively know that it was false, just to have been reckless about it). What the jury would probably do is find in my favor (because they would be ignoring the law otherwise), and award me one dollar in damages. Obviously, it’s not worth the effort.
I asked a question; it was not a statement. So go stick that in your legal pipe. In fact you just knowingly published a false defamatory factual statement by saying mine was a statement rather than a question. And no, when I posted this comment I didn’t realize yet that you seriously thought my repetition of Aristotle’s suggestion that you got the poem from somewhere else actually constituted a real lawsuit. Again I ask, why don’t you threaten to sue him? Your logic is so full of holes it’s laughable.
phrasing it as a question has no affect on its status as defamatory, if the question was stated in order to imply the defamatory allegation. And Aristotle was referring to your comment, not mine. You really are just too incredibly stupid to deal with, as virtually everyone else has already figured out.
Just askin’
To be honest, it’s hard to believe anyone is capable of being such a complete idiot, he’s so far beyond the pale. Not even Libertad comes close.
you would have to pay all court costs, which would be several hundred dollars, and I would get to have a little fun, so maybe it would be worth it after all….
and you would have to reimburse me for court costs, plus other damages.
In it, I will demand nothing more than a formal apology on this site for publicly insinuating that I had plagiarized my little poem about you. When you refuse, I will take you to court, and show the judge how little I had asked for in my effort to avoid legal action for what is, in fact, a libelous statement. Welcome to the real world.
ColoradoPols, isn’t this a violation of site rules? Please ban Steve.
I hope you enjoy the publicity you get from this. “Join ColoradoPols and get sued. Yippee!”
Voyageur I think I’m going to need that legal help now.
Guess what? You post under your own name, you’ve once revealed what the “B” stands for, and we know your age. We also know you’re a grad student. A trip to one of those “find people” sites will probably do the rest.
It’s only a violation if someone does that, then comes back here and starts spreading that info.
Twerp.
of Fort Collins, born in 1983, and a mathematics grad student at CSU. Plenty of information, all freely given. More than enough to find the best address to which to send the demand letter, and to give to the sheriff’s department to execute service of notice. This is going to be fun!
(You think Voyageur is going to help you? Dream on, little one)
I’m going to report this to ColoradoPols. Regardless of what information I have given out, this is a clear violation of Pols outing policy.
having your stupid poem read in court.
I wonder if Jim Kerr would put it in a campaign ad?
Maybe I’ll call his office and see what he thinks.
But thanks to the modern miracle of google advanced search…
http://www.coloradopols.com/sh…
You published it here and here.
I was given, yes, I was forced to give out my real name in order to defend myself. I have been attacked mercilessly by you guys on this site, and I’m sure I would have grounds for hundreds of lawsuits if I were as petty as you.
You did that voluntarily.
And you’re attacked mercilessly because you bend over backwards to be as antagonistic as possible. That, combined with your mind-boggling stupidity, makes you an impossible target to resist.
Look at you now. You’re wrong. You know you’re wrong. You’re sweating and trying to bluff and threaten your way out of a situation that could be easily averted with a simple apology. But you lack both the humility and the intelligence to do the simple thing, and instead only succeed in appearing ever-more foolish.
I formally demand an apology from you. Instead of admitting you were wrong to characterize my statement as libel, and further misrepresenting the nature of my comment (question rather than statement), you are attempting to wriggle out of your attempts to impugn my integrity by filing a frivolous lawsuit. Why don’t you man up and answer whether or not you got the poem from someone else?
swiping from Steve and me.
I’m starting to wonder about you.
I should sue you for libel.
A – as we’ve said to you on many other occasions, you keep using that word and it doesn’t mean what you think it means. (Thank you, The Princess Bride.)
B – even if it were (and it’s not), I’m smart enough not to reveal identifying information about myself.
who I am. For all you know, I could be posting halfway around the world, impersonating a grad student at CSU.
Isn’t it nice to be believed?
Can’t wait to see you argue that in court!
it wouldn’t matter in the least. First, truth is an absolute defense. Second, BJ filing a complaint would be as entertaining for the court clerks as it is for me. Beej, could I possibly entice you to sue me? That would be really sweet!
if you really insist: I wrote it myself.
And, no I’m not attempting to wriggle out of my attempts to impugn your integrity. I am impugning your integrity with great relish and gusto. It is eminently impugnable.
I’m wondering: Can you do this act while juggling on a unicycle? Just curious.
“give to the sheriff’s department to execute service of notice”
Given that I live in the same neighborhood as Sheriff Alderden and got to know him at my caucus (I was the state delegate), good luck with that. I’ll have to have a little chat with him.
from performing his sworn duty to uphold the law?
This gets better and better.
but I’m sure he can give me some advice on dealing with frivolous lawsuits.
That would constitute the unlicensed practice of law which, as a sheriff, he should know better than to do. But I’m sure you don’t mind trying to compromise him in that way either.
You guys have got the racket all sewn up.
and just apologize and admit you were wrong?
because he hasn’t falsely accused you of anything, while you have falsely accused him (and me) of things we are not guilty of.
And he’s done it repeatedly in the past.
“Idiot,” “Buffoon,” and so on, do not constitute defamatory statements, because they are not taken to be refutable factual assertions. I don’t expect you to have any clue what you’re talking about any time in the foreseeable future, but, unfortunately for you, I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Want a cracker? Or are you content to just be one?
Nice. That’ll play well in court.
I am sorry, truly and deeply, that you are such a pathetic, crowing, idiotic buffoon. I know how unpleasant that must be for you (not to mention for the rest of us), and how hard it is going to make it for you to thrive in life, and that is truly a tragedy. And I do mean that.
you wouldn’t bring a frivolous lawsuit against me.
If Steve’s suit is frivolous, it won’t keep you from thriving in the least. And if it’s not, I doubt he’s going to ask for thousands in punitive damages.
Did you report Steve to Pols yet?
Haven’t heard back yet, obviously; it’s only been a few minutes.
So Steve has to go. He outed bjwilson83 and used a racial slur. We can’t defend that. You break the rules, and you’re outta here.
since beej has more than once given his full name and occupation. (I can’t say that I saw the CSU detail, but the rest he’s given freely.) That would be like “outing” Voyageur.
But a racial slur is a racial slur.
We didn’t know his name, or his school, or any of that info. Steve had to assemble that information over time in order to post it at once here, which makes it an intentional act of trying to out someone. And combined with the racial slur, there was no decision to make.
… but it’s your site.
I can’t argue with the racial slur. I doubt Steve intended it that way, but he still said it.
BJWilson83 provided all that info, his name, his school, etc.
But I missed the racial slur, and that is certainly bad form…
Steve’s a white guy too, from his photo. Does that make it OK? Not sure, but the ‘racist’ component is often most recognized when one person belonging to a particular racial group uses it as slander for a different group…
I hope, at least, that yevrahevets gets to keep posting. What would Pols be without well-reasoned, if not verbose, thesis on any and all subject matters?
I’m not a big Beej fan.
But Harvey broke the rules. If he can break the rules, anyone can. How can you call that “well-reasoned?”
You know, the ones where he wasn’t arguing with someone or other.
you’re not much of a Steve Harvey fan either. Personally I like his posts. If they get too long, I follow his own advice and skip them. It’s not too hard really.
BJ posted all that information himself on this blog.
If someone is already ‘out’ they cannot be ‘outed’ in my definition, but it’s not my site.
Steve would have been better to post: ‘You have posted enough information already on this blog for me to serve papers’ or whatever, but in my world it doesn’t count as an ‘outing.’
Such as it is, I take my anonymity seriously and I support the rule, ironclad. But I–personally–don’t think this qualifies. I am not asking for special consideration on Steve’s behalf, I just don’t think this fits the criteria.
Harvey published BJ’s middle name. That’s an unambiguous outing. Many of us had that info, as it was easy to find that on the CSU directory. The rest of us chose not to publish it.
If you are advocating to selectively enforce the rules based on who’s more popular, fine. But that makes the “rules” a joke.
His full name, first middle and last, and his school. He posted it all.
Enough people kept asking what ‘BJ’ stood for and he posted it.
http://www.coloradopols.com/sh…
Etc. etc. (Don’t feel like digging up the rest, but he ‘outed’ himself. Repeatedly. All the info Steve posted was revealed on this bog by BJ: name, school, major, etc.)
I do not consider it an outing, for instance Merriam-Webster writes:
Of course I don’t know which way BJ leans in that regard and don’t care. It would neither raise nor lower my opinion of him.
But the idea that the outer is revealing covert information about the outee seems key.
It has nothing to do with popularity and I take some offense that you are accusing me of such. It’s simply the way I understand the term and in this case I do not think the facts fit. You can disagree, but leave your insinuations about my integrity out of it, OK?
I just think that even assholes deserve equal protection.
A long time ago, parsingreality outed himself. I doubt many people remember his name, but you can find that post easily if you do. Would it be an unambiguous “outing” if I started to address him by his real name? Or is it only an outing if he complains to the Pols admins about it?
Maybe DavidThi808 is a better example. Like beej, he is practically already posting under his full name, but it is obscure and you probably couldn’t figure it out unless he specifically gave it – the way beej did with his name. (Hey, there are probably hundreds of people with the initials B. J. and the last name Wilson in Colorado. You wouldn’t get far if you had only that to go by.)
The only thing I’m unclear on is whether beej identified the college he’s attending. He’s specifically identified himself as a master’s candidate in math, but if he never named the school, and Steve went out and dug it up all on his own, then yes, we have an outing. But CT seems to recall that beej gave even that detail. If so, I say we have no outing and no rules violation.
But, he did go there with the racial remark. I sincerely doubt he intended it to be taken that way (given that Steve’s also a white guy), but the rules are definitely more clear there.
Steve lost his temper, put together all the info he had on BJ, and pretty clearly broke the rules in doing so.
Still, Steve is a good guy, and BJ is a first-class jerk. Fairness isn’t always just, and vice versa. : (
The bad guy one, IMO.
I sincerely appreciate it.
that I’m offering you a very easy way to avoid it.
I’m not going to claim to like you, but I will tell you something honestly: Learning humility is very, very much in your own interest.
coming from you. Mr. Humility himself.
will simply refuse to do his job because you ask him to. Not much for the rule of law, are you? I’ll bet “Sheriff Alderden” isn’t as willing to throw away his career as futile favor to you as you think he is. I’ll be sure to mention to him what you think of his integrity.
Do you believe that is not his real name. What are you suggesting? Libel! I did not say that he wouldn’t do his job. I sure hope he can do something about crooks like you though.
Boy, beej, you just keep digging and digging, don’t you?
This also applies to candidates for office.
That’s not what you wrote. You called Steve a crook.
I’m quoting Nixon. Why do I even bother responding to you?
When did Nixon say “I sure hope he can do something about crooks like you though.” ?
You know what quote I was talking about, or you are truly a buffoon and an idiot. (Nicknames approved by Steve Harvey.)
because you’re in checkmate.
You were NOT quoting Nixon in that comment. You were calling Steve a crook, and you weren’t the least bit restrained about it.
Now, maybe in light of your subsequent comment, you had Nixon in mind. But there was no reason to think that when you first posted it.
when you start tangling yourself up in your overwhelmingly pathetic combination of hubris and complete idiocy, you just get more and more side-slappingly ridiculous. Please, by all means, do go on….
if you do follow through on this lawsuit, I’m going to have to get in touch with your opponent in the race. I’m sure he’d love to make a big deal about how you are suing a private citizen over a blog comment – and nonetheless one attacking him. I suppose I could countersue since the poem itself was libelous.
You better hold your horses. Beej is gonna tell on you to your opponent!
the more active you get on Jim Kerr’s behalf, the better for me. Nothing would be finer than to be able to associate him with you, because you are not only liable, you are also a liability. Please, volunteer for his campaign today.
which is to “have some fun with this”.
in court, the judge will find you just as repugnant as everyone else does, and will have absolutely no sympathy for you. You’re in for a real treat.
so why don’t you go sue him?
(It’s almost not worth using that word with you, it applies with such regularity). Press the parent tab on the post by Aristotle that you are referring to, to see why you are wrong.
Check the timestamps.
you absolute moron.
Link to the exact comment where I do that. Hint: right click the date stamp of the comment, select “copy link location,” then paste in a new comment that’s a response here.
Maybe I should consider suing you for defamation.
you guys really hate the 1st amendment. I have a hard time believing Steve actually wrote that poem.
You really are an anarchist, aren’t you? You must be if you believe the First Amendment means you can literally say ANYTHING you want.
BTW, you FAIL yet again to meet a simple challenge.
isn’t protected by The First Amendment. If it were anyone else, I really wouldn’t care. But you’ve chosen to make an exception of yourself, in all the wrong ways, so it seems only sporting to accommodate you.
It was a question, not a statement.
A question that is made to insinuate a defamatory allegation is still defamation. That should be pretty obvious, but, in any case, it is settled law.
that beej just did his favorite trick, that is, turning an accusation leveled at him back on the accuser, with the typically absurd result.
I wonder what a jury would think of that comment. Perhaps your lawsuit would be thrown out of court.
I have no doubt that you know as much about law as you do about politics, economics, math, and everything else about which you have demonstrated nothing but profound and absolute ignorance.
A pretty good retort, for once. Of course, given your history there’s a good chance you swiped this from someone else, but as long as you aren’t mining MY comments for comebacks… You’re learning, young grasshopper.
right. Those would be anyone who thinks your factless dribble is, well, factless dribble?
BJ, in a previous post, called disclosure ‘identity theft.’ Perhaps he has had a head injury since, or maybe he has been kidnapped and replaced?
I support pubic financing.
http://www.publicampaign.org/
with brain probes has occurred recently. He can’t seem to remember why he was walking around that country road mumbling about bright lights.
if it was a brain probe or an anal probe. Neither can we.
You’d have hundreds of people running if their campaigns were publicly financed, and it would eat up all the revenue.
but I know that would be asking too much, you might understand how it works.
There are several systems, but in general candidates have to demonstrate a threshold of public support–by collecting a certain number of small donations within their district for instance. Without meeting that threshold, no public financing.
That money goes into the pool along with some public monies. Candidates then get roughly equal portions.
is too much to read on a subject that I’m only interested in tangentially. (You might as well go ahead and make it your sig line – “an entire website is too much to read”.) This sounds like people would have to pay to get ballot access – it would only further the influence of money in politics. Wealthy individuals could dole out small chunks of money to individuals who would make contributions.