Monday Open Thread

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

–Albert Einstein

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  1. fishingblues says:

    Why I (and the vast majority of people in the US) detest liberals. Not democrats – liberals. I say the vast majority of people detest liberals because liberals cannot even stand themselves. Of course they practice denial of all stripes, especially denial of anything perceived negative in themselves. No doubt that is why liberals suffer mental health problems and enlist therapists at a much higher degree than conservatives.


    Liberalism is made up of a fairly large spectrum of different emotions. They nearly all have one thing in common – parochialism. For the purpose of this writing, we can define parochial as egocentric, narrow-minded and a devotion to one's self.

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” Ben Franklin 


    I fear for my country. The liberals are winning. Why? Because they have banded together to defeat democracy and capitalism. Many of them don't even know it; many more don't care. They are so caught up in the “what's in it for me” mentality, they ignore the health of our country.


    Conservatives are made up of generally two groups – the religious conservative and the fiscal conservative. Both of which have been branded “evil” by liberals. Liberals are made up of a wide spectrum of selfish positions. They will vote for their own personal enrichment. They care not at all how they are damaging the country.


    Liberal politicians care only about increasing their numbers and thus perpetuating liberalism.

    Those “on the dole” care only about staying dependent and increasing their dependency.

    Liberal women care only about abortion issues.

    Liberal minorities care only about their specific minority.

    Liberal gays care only about gay issues.

    Liberal poor care only about class envy and taking from the “rich” (anyone that has more than them).

    Socialists care only about defeating capitalism.


    When I state “care only about …”, I mean this is their one overriding issue. They will not begin to consider other issues until this issue is satisfied.


  2. Diogenesdemar says:

    Good Monday morning, friends!!

    Just remembering something a wise old fish once said to me — “I knew better than to take that fly (bait) … but I wasn’t strong enough to resist, I guess…”

    Good advice, that first part — Leave them flies alone — even those ridiculously buzzing ones!

    Start your week off well!

  3. BlueCatBlueCat says:

    Please don't feed this troll.

  4. MADCO says:

    From multiple sources recently, I have heard the claim that "democrats/liberals want everyting to be free."


    I know a lot of Democrats, and many people that consider themselves liberal.  None of them think everything should be free.  Many of them do share a belief that some things are better funded with public funding.

    Roads and bridges – and transportation infrastructure in general.


    Security – police and other first responders, the military and other law enforcment agencies.

    A social safety net.

    And filling the gap left by the market when necessary.   Medicare exists at all because "the market" solution was to not insure older and disabled Americans. Likewise the "old age and survivors trust fund" (better known as Social Security). 

    In addition, D"s, liberals and progressive and others also realize that government intervention to ensure – or even attempt to ensure – a level playing field, aka a fair opportunity for all Americans is money well spent. Justice matters.

    And a large majority of American voters agree. Very, very few would actually reduce public sector funding to massively shrink the function of gov't.  Aside from the never ending struggle to define the preferred level of governement to take on various responsiblities (federal, regional, local, etc.) that leaves the question of how to fund the governement functions.

    A progressive income tax has the greatest potential for fairness and efficiency. The mathematical analysis of Corrado Gini and others using centuries of available data, demonstrates that economies grow best when the income disparity across the economy is less extreme.  Those that benefit most from the transportation infrattructure should pay more for it. Likewise other publicly funded investments in national defense and security, the social safety net and education . (You think education is expensive – try ignorance.

    No serious American believes anything the government does is or should be free. And no serious discussion of government should be allowed to imply otherwise, let alone state it explicily.


  5. ClubTwitty says:

    Why do Republicans make up quotes by Famous Americans to justify their Bankrupt Ideas?

    Ben Franklin DID NOT SAY: "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

    • Gray in Mountains says:

      and, Freud never defined insanity as repetitively doing a thing and expecting different results

      • BlueCatBlueCat says:

        Freud was more into upper middle class neuroses, particularly that of bored affluent women, than insanity. More profitable. He was quite a piece of work himself. I'd say the one thing he had right was projection. Mainly his own.

    • fishingblues says:

      twit:  why does it matter who said it?  One cannot dispute its truth.

      • Not Dame Edna says:

        If it doesn't matter then why did you feel it necessary to attribute the quote to Ben Franklin?

        You posted quite a thesis, at 7:43am. Do you have a job or is your job trolling and throwing out insults?

        • fishingblues says:

          ed:  I was simply passing on what many people believe.  Once again, the quote illuminates an axiomatic principle. Who cares who said it.  It may very wll have been Franklin.  I wan't there, were you?

          As to a job, thanks for asking.  I'm been retired for many years.  No I am not on  SS or medicare.  Way too young and don't need it.  (In anticipation of your next quesstion, I was born and raised poor.  Nothing was ever given to me and I have taken nothing directly from the government.)   

          I just love how emotional liberals consider any difference of opinion "insult".  

          As to your second post, I find the GOP only slightly less repugnant than Dems.  My point was about liberals; not dems vs republicans.  

          • horseshit GOP front grouphorseshit GOP front group says:

            Thats a pretty novel concept in terms of looking at quotations and history in general.  I don't really have to get it right, because I wasn't there ! 

          • Not Dame Edna says:

            I'm not emotional over anything you have to say. 

            • BlueCatBlueCat says:

              Really? I think you are letting your emotions prevent you from NOT FEEDING THE TROLL.

              • Not Dame Edna says:

                Oh, I am having a little fun. The troll still hasn't responded with his definition of "hard work".

              • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

                While I agree with you, BC, it's probably a lost cause. Nobody makes anyone on here do anything.

                Jay Smooth has some interesting words on "not feeding the troll".


                • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                  It's one thing to argue points in an effort to counter the influence of lies or to show that you won't be intimidated.  But this troll has no points.There is nothing ever said by this troll that should require anyone to respond for purposes of "validation".

                  I know I can't make anybody do anything but the only possible reason to respond to this troll's inanities is a desire for more of them. Period.

                  Empowerment? Validation?  The only one responding empowers and validates is this troll. I mean, just what points are we supposed to be bravely countering? Accusations of fatness?  

                  • ClubTwitty says:

                    With all due respect, BC–and I love your posts and contribution–its a blog and the conversation here is often not too lofty.  Myself I don't respond well to people telling me who I can (or should) respond to or not….

                    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                      It's just a very heart felt suggestion based not on the lack of loftiness but on the complete pointlessness of the troll's "challenges" which are nothing but a fact free stream of insults so juvenile and silly there isn't the slightest chance of anyone not already on board the wacko train being influenced by them and therefore no need or point to refuting them. It's not as if these are comments with anything approaching thought provoking content couched in salty language, language to which I have no objection. That's all I'm sayin'. 

                      Me, I'm done even reading them or the responses to them, much less responding myself. But I promise to stop urging everyone to cut off the trolls food supply which just gives it more shit to fling. I just hope the no feeding this particular troll position will be given some serious thought. That I respect your reasons for your different position goes without saying.

                  • fishingblues says:

                    Liberals just hate to be challenged.  They believe anyone that has a differing opinion is evil, or a troll, or bigoted, or racist or homophobic or bitter or uneducated or any other word that liberals believe to be negative. 

                    Liberals are so full of themselves their is no room for reason.

                    Now, if you want to talk about communism/socialism having a chance in the US, start right here.   

                  • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

                    I'm not feeding this misogynistic troll, and I agree that his posts have little value.

                    He's actually holding back here since Pols slapped him down- you should see the vicious, sexist, racist rants he has on the many other sites he posts on. Google "fishingblues comment" for a sickening sample.

                    People who want to do something about this poster should report his quasi-child-porn avatar (a pic of a naked baby bent over a stool) to the administrators of those sites.



                    • fishingblues says:

                      Child porn?  Really?  What a viscious little mind some have.  My thought on the pic is simply a little guy multi-tasking.  I mean, sitting on the head while sucking his thumb and taking a nap.  That is some heady stuff.  Of course there is no accounting for how some people perceive innocent children.  You should be ashamed.  But, of course, you won't because you are a liberal.  

                    • roccoprahn says:

                      Holy cow!

                      You called it MJ.

                      That this nimrod actually ANSWERED to your reference proves he's an idiot!

                      As well as one sick goober.

                      You're right. I was thinking maybe 13 at the oldest, maybe a home schooler, neighbor of the szabot, a rand paulie.

                      Full grown adult. Unbelievable.

                    • fishingblues says:

                      All  of this vindictiveness and malignity because I happened to mention that someone might be just a little overweight.  Dang!

          • Curmudgeon says:

            Sweet Merciful Crap, FB is a (purported) adult?!?  I figured anyone who simply regurgitated bigoted, mean spirited and contradictory GOP talking points with absolutely no irony would have to be a precociously embittered adolescent, or maybe an particularly entitled twentysomething who yearns to be just like Mitt Romney.

            But a full-grown adult, who attacks posters as "commies" and backs himself up with completely unsubstantiated "facts"?  I find that quite disturbing. To have spent that much time, completely ignorant of life, devoid of awareness, and bereft of the slightest hint of compassion towards other human beings?

            That's really very sad. 

            • fishingblues says:

              Sorry you're sad, cur.  Not sure about the GOP talking points (which ones were they again?), since I am a Libertarian.  Here is the ironic thing.  As a Libertarian, I am much more centered politiccally than 99% of the people (liberals) posting here.  And, you all hate me for it, because you can't hate yourselves.  (Go ahead and ask some of the arm-chair (read phony) psychologists that  think they know Dr.Freud.   

        • Curmudgeon says:

          Righties feel compelled to attribute such quotes to the Founding Fathers, because what the Founding Fathers actually said and believed goes against their propaganda. 

      • Not Dame Edna says:

        I just read your link and I am surprised to say that I agree. The Republican Party is a proud participant in our democracy and are very good at helping themselves to our country's coffers. Usually on the backs of hard working Democrats.

      • MapMaker says:

        Thomas Jefferson said:

        — There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

        Wait, Jefferson didn't say that. Well, it's true anyway.


  6. ClubTwitty says:
  7. ClubTwitty says:

    "Libertarians are like adolescent boys that never grew up, imaging their momma's basement is the real world."  James Madison

  8. ClubTwitty says:

    Boilerplate wingnut gibberish is not reason nor conducive to discussion. 

  9. ClubTwitty says:



    Libertarians are just radical Right-wingers who have not one care for anything or anyone other than themselves. They are mostly asocial computer nerds who have spent the major portion of their lives sitting in their bedrooms wishing someone liked them.

    As children they spent most of their time in their rooms thinking about themselves. Ostracized by their peers in adolescence for being geeks, goobs and nobs, they kept to their bedrooms thinking even more about themselves. After years of being shut in their room furnished with only empty crates of Clearasil to sleep on, and nothing to eat but pizzas and Frito Lay products, local health departments kept them quarantined because their acne became so bad they were leaving trails like snails whenever they were let out. Having little to do but fiddle with their computers and talking their macho man gun talk, their teenage rebellion stage became a life long endeavor, and ultimately they became the driving force of the Libertarian Party.

    So be careful who you jump in bed with politically, for the Libertarian Party is primarily about anarchy, guns, drugs, the militia movement, an ear bleeding hate of liberals and at its very core, a personal and political selfishness transcending anything witnessed on this Earth since Urg, in cave #25, holding the rest of his tribe at bay with a pointy stick, ate an entire Mammoth all by himself.

  10. ClubTwitty says:

    Little hands are great for fishing out sharp objects from machine gears. 

    A child is a human being and, as such, deserves to be treated justly. We oppose laws infringing on children's rights to work or learn, such as child labor laws and compulsory education laws. We also oppose the use of curfews based on age.

  11. ClubTwitty says:

    Koch ad parody…


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