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September 26, 2012 03:42 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 67 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“However things may seem, no evil thing is success and no good thing is failure.”

–Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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67 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. “If every American taxpayer had to submit an extra five or ten thousand dollars to the IRS this April to pay for the war, I’m quite certain it would end very quickly. The problem is that government finances war by borrowing and printing money, rather than presenting a bill directly in the form of higher taxes. When the costs are obscured, the question of whether any war is worth it becomes distorted.” Ron Paul

    1. WWII was financed by borrowing directly via War Bonds and higher taxes on the wealthy. No borrowing from China then, although I can’t speak to the big bankers like the Rothschilds.

      Anyway, every time an American bought a war bond, he or she was acutely aware of the cost of war.  

      A secondary purpose for the bonds was to take money out of circulation and reduce demand for consumer goods.

      By the time Viet Nam rolled around the economics favorite toys, guns or butter, became guns and butter.  

      Bush, of course kept the costs of Iraq and Franistan off of the books.  “Hey, look, I’m doing pretty well when I don’t pay my bills!” That’s one of the reasons the debt appeared to go up so much under Obama.  I.e., no bullshit. Finally.

      The cost of wars, past, present, and future consume about 65% of our discretionary budget.  But we need to cut services to the poor and elderly????  WTF?  (Not saying you, Nook, do.  I don’t know.)

  2. “How fast will we have to do that (raise the IOER)?” he asked. “How rapid will it have to go up? We don’t have a clue. Raising the IOER where you have a trillion and half or two trillion dollars in

    reserves, we have absolutely zero experience with it.”

    Charles Plosser Philadelphia Fed President

     

      1. But unfortunately for you, Obama’s policies have little to do with it since Republicans have blocked those policies in order to damage Obama.

        Let me repeat that: Republicans have put party over country by blocking economic recovery policies.

            1. Governments have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs around the country due to the bankster recession, many of them vital positions; state government budgets lag the economy by a year or two due to the nature of their revenue stream. Obama has on multiple occasions pushed for an aid package to the states to help tide them over through the recession.

              Our infrastructure (bridges, schools, etc.) need maintenance badly. Obama has on multiple occasions called for an infrastructure works stimulus which would employ many construction workers through the otherwise down construction economy.

              If Republicans were serious about fixing the economy, they could have agreed to let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire, and agreed to at least fund the budget at current levels plus stimulus to help us bounce out of the recession. That would have provided the certainty Republicans seem to indicate is keeping the economy slow, and it would have prevented our credit downgrade last summer (and possibly a future downgrade this winter if Republicans keep the House).

              PS – you might want to check the current state of facts. Obama is down less than 200,000 jobs from the February 2009 jobs report, the closest one to when he took over; either of the above programs would put him in the net positive jobs column, and chances are he’ll be net positive before his next term starts.

    1. Very much agreed, Dwyer.

      He has a right to post here, but the talking points, the cut/paste, the silliness doesn’t need to drive replies.

      Not one person’s mind is changed by either the original post or the, oftentimes, mean replies.

      Let it go.

      Y’all will live happier.

      1. I think I am going to do my best to do the same and refrain.  I guess he thinks a bunch of people calling him a stupid asshole every day is some sort of achievement.

          1. There is simply a process of blog burnout, where a poster will go nova, post lots of stuff, then burn out.  It’s happened to me from time to time.  Right-wingers aren’t immune to it.  BJWilson set a record with more than 500 responses to his diary arguing that the world was literally created in six days, etc.  Of course, that was 500 posts saying he was an idiot, and 500 replies from him saying, I’m not an idiot, you’re a leftist skank.

              After a while, even righties tire of being punching bags. But obviously, for the tadpole, the best policy is to let sleeping trolls lie.  Otherwise, you have to read, or at least glance at, those stultifying cut and paste jobs.

        1. Its a game and the asshole is keeping score (proven by his pride in response counting).  Sorry that so many fall for bait and give the asshole even so much as an ounce of recognition.  You’re being played by an idiot.  A rightie racist idiot.  Aren’t you smarter than that?

  3. Looking for news of ArapaGOP (you know he’s been gone for almost a week now — layoffs in the county GOP, perhaps?), I went to http://www.arapahoerepublicans

    But my anti-virus gave me this warning:

    VIPRE has determined that the site

    you are trying to visit contains potentially harmful or objectionable content.

    To proceed to this site: In VIPRE, open

    “File/Settings/Firewall” and add the URL to

    “Bad Web Site Exceptions…”

    Is it worth the risk?

      1. they’re all out of state . . . it’s Ohio or bust for Tean Willard.  No one left behind to tend the farm . . .

        Pity those poor Cleveland retirees that are seeing ArapaGOP’s mug when their doorbell rings . . .  

        1. And as of today, it looks like bust.  Where was Tad this morning posting changes of aggregation web-sites.  Real Clear Politics moved Ohio from toss-up to lean blue this morning.  That means that Obama must win any one toss-up state (except NH) to win the election.  We’ll see what happens.  I don’t think I ever remember this dramatic a change in polls near the end of the race on all levels as has happened in the last month.  Perhaps it happened in 1994 with the Republican wave, but this change is nationwide.  Real Clear Politics also moved the Arizona Senate Race to a toss-up today.  Who would have thunk?:

  4. I’m cutting way back until they get real officials back.  It wasn’t just the final bad call that robbed the packers.  I watched only the last quarter of that game and saw the packer scoring drive burn out in mid-field, only to be revived by a wholly unjustified pass interference call.

      Then the Seasicks benefitted from similar charity on their final drive even before the NFLclusterfuck on thye final hail mary.

      This was farce, not football.

       I’m putting the Greedhead owners, who are screwing us all to cheat the real refs out of less than $100,000 per team by among other things, taking away their pension plans, that I will watch as little of their crap as I can (ok, I’ll still watch the Broncos, but only with a barf bag handy) and also go out of my way NOT to buy products advertised on the NFL until they replace the Keystone Kops with real refs.

      1. I think Roger Goodell is the biggest schmuck in the business.  The amount that is in discussion is a pittance compared to the NFL’s overall financial big picture, but Goodell has to throw his weight around.  Now the whole NFL is suffering (league,owners,players,fans) because of one mans’ ridiculous hubris.

        I felt very badly for the Packers, and I admired the fact that they went back for the extra point ( I guess they had to anyway).  

        I also liked the calm, biting-your-tongue, kind of way Mike Mccarty handled the postgame press conference. You could see he was almost at the point of blowing a gasket, but he held his composure. He’s a big dude and kind of intimidating to boot. I wouldn’t have asked him a question Monday night !

        I really respect all of the Packers for the way they handled it.  Maybe Goodell could learn a thing or two from them.

              1. kick up the smoker, take in some crisp fall weather, enjoy the turning leaves, maybe throw some chicken wings in the oven, put on a nice flannel (Champ Bailey jersey for the wife), grab a frosty one and sit down and enjoy.

                Children may get bored, or even fall asleep on the couch.  When they do sleep on the couch it is just about Paradise (except we can’t scream).

                Love it. GO BRONCOS !

                  1. I got nothing but respect for the big business of sport.

                    I almost cried when Matt WIlliams got screwed out of his 60hr record. It’s partly why my favorite Series is 2001.

                    I’m not dissing the NFL – I’m dissing the idjits who think the way to deal with any problem is to screw the guys below them.

                    So anyone who says “it’s just a game” will never understand.

                    1. Nolan Ryan threw 7 no hitters. 7.

                      The last two he was over 40.  they should have renamed the Cy Young.

                      And I hate the Rangers, am indifferent to the Angels. (Though I dig the Astros.)

  5. And it’s the GOP committing it. Surprised? Of course not!

    The Republican Party of Florida’s top recipient of 2012 expenditures, a firm by the name of Strategic Allied Consulting, was just fired on Tuesday night, after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were discovered to have been turned in by the group to the Palm Beach County, FL Supervisor of Elections.

    The firm appears to be another shell company of Nathan Sproul, a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.

    That’s just for starters.

    Moreover, the firm is also reportedly operating similar voter registration operations on behalf of the Republican Party, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, in a number of key battleground states this year, including North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. Strategic Allied has recently taken steps to hide their ownership by Sproul’s notorious firm, Sproul & Associates.

    Maybe the diary about the girl registering only Romney voters is connected? I sure thought that sounded fishy, and the comments to the effect that “she’s young and confused” didn’t allay my suspicions.

  6. Sorry, I can’t keep myself away from this story; it’s political satire so bad it’s good.

    Today’s fun update from the Miami Herald: the Democratic “challenger” that Rep. Rivera fronted in the primary race has turned on his former benefactor…

    [Fake Democratic challenger] Sternad, 35, also told authorities that his campaign manager, Ana Sol Alliegro, acted as the conduit between the campaign and [Republican Rep. David] Rivera, who allegedly steered unreported cash to the Democrat’s campaign, according to sources familiar with the investigation and records shared with The Herald.

    Sternad said Alliegro referred to the congressman by his initials, “D.R.,” and called him by the nickname, “The Gangster.”

    Really?  “The Gangster”?  It’s straight out of an HBO series or cheesy political novel.

    Sternad also says Rivera promised him a better job if he ran for the Dem. nomination, which I believe is also a no-no.

        • Falsification of documents
        • False testimony (in most cases, I believe filing for Federal office is an “under oath” affirmation)
        • laundering money/accepting laundered money
        • tampering with a witness (and possibly causing or aiding her disappearance)

        (In Rivera’s case, many of these may be “conspiracy to …” or “caused …”)

        In addition to the above, Rep. Rivera is still under investigation by the FBI and IRS for corruption and criminal campaign finance violations (such as using the campaign credit card to rack up $65,000 in personal expenses).

  7. “Why would the republicans want to convince people that they are ahead in the polls when they are not, unless they plan to steal the election away from the voters using fraud, dirty tricks, and voter suppression, so they don’t want the people to realize they have been swindled?

    I think we had better assume that we are being swindled into thinking that the Democrats are ahead, so we won’t continue to think that each and every one of our votes is extremely important. Forget the polls. The polls lie. Every single one of our votes is extremely important!”

    1. it’s by enough to make anyone complacent.  As to your theory, I’m sure they are trying their hardest to suppress and I’m sure they’ll try to steal everything they can.  But I think the business with the polls is mainly to keep people giving money.

      Stories abound of big donors who are privately saying they no longer think Romney can win and many Senatorial and congressional races aren’t looking as good for them as they used to either.  They need for those checks to keep coming and that means they need to fight discouragement.  

      1. the coordinated work of R’s nationwide, including Gessler, show that. I think unfortunately we are going to see some ugly stuff from the party above country crew.

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