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Prayers for the Pelosi family.
Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, beaten with hammer in home break-in
Mr. Pelosi probably has Jesse Watters to thank for the assault. The guy is fixated on Paul Pelosi.
It's fair to say Paul was hammered.
I once worked at a small company owned by Republicans. One day the owner/president came wallowing through the office saying. "Obamacare, harumpf! Someone should shoot that guy."
You know, I never hear that kind of viscious/vicarious lust for killing from liberals or even leftists.
Trump and his fascist cos-playing. Insult by way of political argument.
Except for Supreme Court Judges and baseball practices.
And anything pro-life.
At least we don't celebrate kids being killed in schools by a mass shooter.
"anything pro-life……what about solid "pro-lifer" Robert Dearing who murdered three people at a Colorado Springs PP clinic in November, 2015, because he wanted "to save the babies," Pear?
Should say "alleged" murderer since he's never been judged competent to stand trial.
And that disgruntled Bernie Sanders supporter who shot Steve Scalise.
What aboutism is really tiring and you know its BS. MAGA = Facists
DEMS = only choice thats not actively trying to overthrow USA.
PERIOD you don't have any other choices..
It's hard to imagine a January 6th type riot coming from liberals?
There is an organized ideology of violence, gun fetishists and reveling in death… part of the fascist mentality. On the right, there is a large amount of militia organizing and para-military activity. Also, you see the violent elements on the right coordinating with wealthy donors, propaganda outlets, and strategizing political leaders.
It's easy for us to put names to the people creating the culture of violence – Steve Bannon, NRA, Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Proud Boys, III-Percenters.
I don't see similar coordination nor violent fantasies on the left. Individual crazies exist, but not the connection to the established political elites or to the police forces (e.g. the case of the proud boys and the January 6 insurrectionists).
Google "the Weather Underground"
Go back in time and there is Sacco and Vanzetti and the Haymarket bombing. But today, political violence is at least a 90 percent right wing thing.
yes, it does weigh disproportionately in favor of the pro-life party today.
Wow you have to dredge deep into memory lane. What, 60 years ago?
If you are going back that far, then compare the Weather Underground to the KKK and the violent Chicago Police under mayor Daly, or the Southern sheriffs, or the Kent State militia who were ordered to shoot peaceful demonstrators.
Right wing violence has been organized and part of policing and Right-wing agit-propaganda and politicians from the end of the civil war, to George Wallace through Ronald Wilson Reagan to Donald Trump.
You recall that Reagan was the one who called for the police to shoot demonstrators at UC Berkeley. Kindly Old Grandpa Fascism. I'm sure there was a jovial tone in his voice while he called for killing the hippies.
Are you claiming there was coordination between the Weather Underground and, um – well anybody in the political system?
You made an overly broad statement – which you commonly do. I simply pointed out that it was not entirely true.
And the Weather Underground was 50 years ago, not 60.
Others pointed out the threats against Brett Kavanaugh – presumably that was a progressive.
I also pointed out the socialist who took a shot at Scalise.
Herbal tea vs strychnine. Gandalf vs Sauron.
I've been around leftists and liberals for a long time. I simply do not ever hear casual wishes for or jokes about violence, death, extermination, the way the right-wing is absolutely steeped in it.
And when I say right-wing, I mean established billionaires, politicians, news casters and thought leaders, not random weirdos like Lauren BB and Empty G.
PP made a joke about Pelosi's husband. I mean, "Who DOES that?" (Aside from Trump).
The Kent State rioters weren’t all peaceful, though most, if not all, the students shot — four dead, nine wounded — were just on their way to class. There had been a riot in downtown Kent and the ROTC building was burned down. The shooting of Jackson State students 11 days later killed 2 and wounded 12 but was virtually ignored. Guess which victims were black.
An FBI investigation showed no one actually gave the order to fire at Kent State. Some ill-trained kids in the guard just panicked. Incidentally, one of the slain students was an ROTC cadet.
Yeah. You're right.
The aspect of Kent State that really sticks with me is a particular story.
One of the people in the crowd went home that day to find his mother talking about the event, and being thankful that the national guard had been there to put down the protestors.
Again, we see such casual acceptance and approval of violence by the right (embedded in the military and poitical system) against the left.
I was on the riot force at West Point, which could muster 1,000 men. We had sheaths on our bayonets and only officers had ammo, which they never needed to issue.
Just 50 miles from New York City, we expected a lot of protests. But we had just one — about 50 girls from Vasser.
No problema.
Do you mean like Antifa and Black Lives Matter?
The MAGA whataaboutism machine is tuned to DEFCON1 today.
“Supreme Court justices and baseball practices…..”
One guy in front of Kavanaugh’s home who turned himself in. One stupid Bernie bot who shot Rep. Scalise. Those individual actions do not create vast movements, Pear.
You should know. You seem hammered every time you comment here.
You are a despicable human being to joke about an innocent person being assaulted and put in the hospital by a person turned crazy by the MAGA conspiracy craziness.
I'm done responding to you.
Compare that to all the jokes about the Scalise shooting.
Or compare to Trump mocking a disabled journalist, or the Republican Party National chair mocking Biden's stutter.
There was a guy in the dorm when I was younger who made oinking noises whenever an over-weight woman walked in. It is that level of anti-social behavior.
Even for Pear, laughing it up about a goon beating up an 82-year old man with a hammer is pretty disgusting.
Well, that Pear has been rotting for a long time. Probably needs to go in the compost pile.
I’d describe him as a Schrödinger’s douchebag but that would be an affront to actual Schrödinger’s douchebags.
He’s never joking.
To quote Maya Angelou: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
You're absolutely right about our little pfruitcake. But, is it really surprising? He is despicable. And there is no depth our rotted fruit won't plumb.
Roger actually makes Moderatus look like a nice shill.
He makes Moderatus look even slightly intelligent. Which is really shocking.
Quoted, in case the repulsive little man tries to lie about it later.
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fuck you asshole…
Democrat view of law enforcement.
Arrested for DWI – Defund the police
Assaulted in his home – Send the police
~ NYT op ed, probably
Report: Ukraine War Hastens Energy Transition And Dooms Russia to Permanent Decline From Josh Marshall at TPM
Bad news for PP. Good news for the world. The IEA historically vastly underestimates the acceleration of renewables.
(You need to be a subscriber to TPM, as they often have really good investigative Journalism.)
More, since the article is really insightful.
Brad DeLong on the Continuation of the Biden Boom:
Exxon CEO self-owns: Again from Josh Marshall
Most of my IRA is an S&P 500 fund, so I:m getting some of those dividends. Don't I and other retirees count as American People?
I guess, that makes you are one of the owners. It trickles down eventually.
Not really. Like VG, I have energy stocks in my two retirement IRAs. Companies pay the dividends to the funds and they come to me depending on the pay out frequency. No "eventually" about it.
Do you get dividend payouts? Some funds only pay stock value increases, not dividends.
Republican candidate caught wearing vile blackface Halloween costume (msn.com)
Spot on Parkhill. There are trained and tested servant leaders of the constitution out here that are not MAGAFRIED and will counter this as the knuckleheads decide to act. Violence from ANYONE regardless of ideology is wrong and must be countered by the MAJORITY.
The commentary here joking about violence shows that the commenters have never given or received it in earnest. It's not a solution, it's a means to getting to solution.
Yes. It is the joking and wishful thinking that bugs the crap out of me.
One of the strongest life-lines of fascism is precisely the fantasy of violence. There is a vicarious wishing for a strongman or a group of thugs to beat the crap out of the hippies or jews or students.
EVERY genocide in history was instigated, directed or funded by somebody with money. They aren't just random ethnic grievances suddenly springing into violence. Some specific person or group provided the money or the incentives.
Yep!! , here's a guy I never dreamed I would be linking here on that exact subject, he's spot on :
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-corporate-power?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Ignore the polls and media. Just vote. Our Democracy depends on it.
The polls are less & less accurate
That human stool specimen, Jesse Watters, had his lead-off with the Paul Pelosi story.
He said the assailant is an illegal alien from Canada who makes hemp jewelry and is a nudist, and we need to secure our borders.
So, now we need to build a border wall to the north.
Pfucker Carlson did not start off with off with Paul Pelosi but began with the Babylon Bee, moved on to trash Dr. Rachel Levine, and ended up by blowing a big, wet kiss to Elon Musk and the new Twitter.