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February 25, 2010 11:36 PM UTC

Leading by example

  • 16 Comments
  • by: DavidThi808

Update: 3/20/10, 9:04am

A statement I heard as a kid has always stuck with me – “making rules is easy, following them is hard.” In the case of the use tax the state is now putting a major emphasis on collecting this tax. Sounds simple and reasonable – no?

So I just shot an email to all of our elected leaders (state executive & legislative members) asking if they paid their use taxes over the last 3 years. Letter follows:

Hi;

With the recently passed legislation, you have put a major emphasis on increasing sales tax revenue. And a significant part of that is the attempt to collect the use taxes we all owe for internet purchases where no sales tax was charged.

As you are well aware, the use tax requirement has been in place for years (decades?). All that’s new is improving the enforcement mechanism. But we all should have been paying this tax even before this new legislation.

In the spirit of showing leadership by example, I request that each of you tell me if you filed your use tax statement and paid the taxes due for 2007, 2008, & 2009. And if you have not paid the taxes – why.

As our elected leaders who create and enforce the law, I think leading by example on this issue is very important. Because if you cannot be bothered to pay your use taxes, then why should you expect it of anyone else?

Thanks – dave

I will update as I get answers. But if they don’t file (I’m guessing that will be the answer of most), then how can they expect the rest of us to do so?

Responses:

T/C: taxes collected on internet purchases; N/A not applicable as they do not shop online.
State Executives
gov Bill Ritter D    
ag John Suthers R    
treas Cary   Kennedy D T/C all internet purchases charged sales tax
sos Bernie Buescher D YES no purchases last couple of years that didn’t charge tax
State House
1 Jeanne Labuda D    
2 Mark Ferrandino D    
3 Daniel Kagan D    
4 K.Jerry Frangas D    
5 Joel Judd D    
6 Lois Court D T/C only purchased airline tickets online
7 Terrance Carroll D    
8 Beth McCann D NO intends to do so
9 Joe Miklosi D    
10 Dickey lee Hullinghorst D    
11 Jack Pommer D    
12 Paul  Weissmann D NO will pay going forward
13 Claire Levy D NO only learned this year that they are taxable
14 Kent Lambert R    
15 Mark Waller R    
16 Larry  Liston R YES  
17 Dennis Apuan D    
18 Michael Merrifield D YES  
19 Marsha Looper R    
20 Amy Stephens R    
21 Bob Gardner R    
22 Kenneth Summers R    
23 Max Tyler D    
24 Sue Schafer D    
25 Cheri Gerou R    
26 Andy Kerr D    
27 Sara Gagliardi D ??? "yes,  I pay my taxes" – don’t know if this means no internet purchases or has paid use tax
28 James Kerr R NO  
29 Debbie  Benefield D    
30 Kevin Priola R    
31 Judy Solano D    
32 Edward Casso D    
33 Dianne Primavera D    
34 John Soper D    
35 Cherylin Peniston D N/A does not order online
36 Su Ryden D    
37 Spencer Swalm R    
38 Joe Rice D    
39 David Balmer R    
40 Cindy Acree R    
41 Nancy Todd D    
42 Karen Middleton D    
43 Frank McNulty R    
44 Mike May R    
45 Carole Murray R NO  
46 Sal Pace D NO only case: his 3 year old son got an amazon gift card
47 Buffie McFadyen D    
48 Glenn Vaad R    
49 BJ Nikkel R    
50 Jim Riesberg D    
51 Brian DelGrosso R    
52 John Kefalas D    
53 Randy Fischer D    
54 Steve King R    
55 Laura Bradford R    
56 Christine Scanlan D NO  
57 Randy Baumgardner R    
58 Scott Tipton R    
59 Ellen Roberts R NO  
60 Thomas Massey R    
61 Kathleen Curry D    
62 Edward Vigil D    
63 Cory Gardner R    
64 Wesley McKinley D N/A does not order online
65 Jerry Sonnenberg R    
State Senate
1 Greg Brophy R NO  
2 Kenneth Kester R N/A does not order online
3 Abel Tapia D    
4 Mark Scheffel R N/A does not order online
5 Gail Schwartz D    
6 Bruce Whitehead D    
7 Josh Penry R NO  
8 Al White R N/A does not order online
9 David Schultheis R    
10 Bill Cadman R    
11 John Morse D    
12 Keith King R N/A does not order online
13 Scott Renfroe R    
14 Bob Bacon D T/C only online purchase is airline tickets
15 Kevin Lundberg R    
16 Dan Gibbs D    
17 Brandon Shaffer D    
18 Rollie Heath D T/C his vendor charges him sales tax
19 Evie Hudak D    
20 Mo Keller D N/A does not order online
21 Betty Boyd D N/A does not order online
22 Mike Kopp R    
23 Shawn Mitchell R NO  
24 Lois Tochtrop D N/A does not order online
25 Mary Hodge D    
26 Linda Newell D    
27 Nancy Spence R    
28 Suzanne Williams D    
29 Morgan Carroll D    
30 Ted Harvey R    
31 Pat Steadman D    
32 Chris Romer D    
33 Michael Johnston D T/C only ordered airline tickets online (got a Kindle and will be filing this year)
34 Paula Sandoval D N/A does not order online
35 Joyce Foster D    
Boulder County
comm. Cindy Domenico D    
cor. Thomas Faure D    
da Stan Garnett D NO/YES no on personal, yes on business
clerk Hillary Hall D    
comm Ben Pearlman D    
shrf Joe Pelle D    
ass. Jerry Roberts D    
comm. Will Toor D T/C thinks all online purchases charged tax
City of Boulder
  Suzy Ageton   NO  
  Matt Appelbaum      
  KC Becker   NO will comply going forward
  Macon Cowles      
  Crystal Gray   T/C all online purchases charged tax
  George Karakehian      
  Lisa Morzel   T/C all online purchases are local
  Susan Osborne      
  Ken Wilson      
mgr Jane Brautigam   T/C only online purchase was from a local store

Comments

16 thoughts on “Leading by example

    1. Look how those fools in Washington talking about the internets (GW?) and it works on “tubes or something” do.  

      I also wonder how many of the out of the Front Range legislators go get their emissions checked?  If you live out of the emissions zone but work within it, you are supposed to get it done.  (Although there isn’t any penalty if your car fails as far as I can see.)

      It’s a state law, legislators!

    2. Our legislature is supposed to represent all of us across all of its members. And there is a subset of people in this state who do not order online, nor do much of anything online. It’s important to have that point of view in the legislature so that that demographic is not left out.

      1. That is so true!

        Out of 100 legislators, at least one should be autistic, 14 should be functionally illiterate, 12 should be heavy consumers of pornography, and three should have spent time in prison. There can be some overlap between the categories.

        1. We can throw straw man arguments back and forth all day. You clearly disagree but I see value in having a legislature that reflects the people of the state. I’m going to disagree with many at times, but that’s what you get with a democracy.

  1. A statement I heard as a kid has always stuck with me – “criticizing other people for not doing things is easy, doing them yourself is hard.” In the case of following the law, David is now putting a major emphasis on determining whether certain people have followed a law in a way that most people have no earthly idea applies to them. Sounds simple and reasonable – no?

    So I wrote David a letter asking if he has followed every federal state and local law in the past three years. Letter follows:

    Hi;

    With your recent diary, you have put a major emphasis on seeing whether certain individuals have followed laws that many people are unaware of and that no government agency has spent significant resources attempting to educate consumers in regards to.

    As you are well aware, the requirement to follows laws, whether you know about them and understand them or not has been in place for years (decades?). All that’s new is the focus on calling people out about it after the fact. But we all should have been following these laws even before this new effort.

    In the spirit of showing leadership by example, I request that you tell me whether you have complied with all laws, federal, state and local, for 2007, 2008, & 2009 whether you were aware of the legal requirements of the law at the time or not. And if you have not followed the laws – why.

    As a prominent blogger who interviews significant leaders and demands compliance with laws from others, I think leading by example on this issue is very important. Because if you cannot be bothered to follow laws you may or may not know about in every instance whether asked by anyone to or not, then why should you expect it of anyone else?

    Thanks

    1. I speed. And I am delinquent on getting my use taxes paid (but will have that paid in the next 2 – 3 weeks).

      But you are throwing up a straw man argument. One of the laws just passed was to make Internet stores report sales because people are not paying the use tax. So the law passed is to address the specific question I am asking.

      A bit sensitive about this are we?

      1. Although if the language I used above sounds like a straw man or sounds particularly sensitive, I admit to having plagiarized most of it.

        Of course its fair to ask public officials to follow the laws they write.  If you simply wanted a pledge that now that this practice has been called to people’s attention that they be sure to file their taxes from now on, that seems right on.

        But the tone above insinuates that choosing to focus more on compliance with a law not many people know about is some grand act of hypocrisy unless the public officials knew better than anyone else about the law the whole time.  It’s great to hold public officials to the same standard as the rest of us, and in many ways we hold them to a higher standard.  But they’re still human.  They still don’t know about many things that 98% of the rest of us don’t know about either.  And the mocking tone above and the related “gotcha” attempt is something a little less than encouraging great leadership.

        1. But I do find it surprising that when this became a hot bill, that they didn’t right then get caught up.

          I also took this tack because many of the supporters discussed this as people should have been filing and we needed the bill because people were not doing the right thing.

          But point taken. I will be more understanding on the point that most people didn’t even know of this requirement, including our legislators. I do plan to write more on this, including an article for HuffPo.

          1. because its definitely easier to criticize someone anonymously on the internet than… well.. just about anything.

            Anyway, I know more about this now from your diary alone than I ever did before, so thanks in any event.

  2. Is this a tax that should have been collected upon purchase or what am I missing?

    Sorry if you’ve gone over this and I missed it. Thanks.  

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