Stupid Senate Tricks -- Concealed Carry Edition

I support gun rights

I oppose assault weapon bans because they are meaningless.

I support concealed carry if properly administered.

However, I do not want states that still argue about evolution or the confederate battle flag making laws that bind Colorado.

This is a race to the bottom at its worst, an invasion of local control, and for a conservative a direct assault on states rights.

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 09:51:39 AM CDT

Hear, hear

All of the above.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 09:59:29 AM CDT

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The Republican Party

For State's Rights unless they interfere with Guns, God, and Gays....

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 10:12:42 AM CDT

Bennet - yea, Udall - yea

No idea why.  IMO, states' rights should take precedence here.

http://www.senate.gov/legislat...

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by: G Pulviczek @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:27:27 PM CDT

Schumer said (on MSNBC)

They had five or six more votes if they needed them, but there were senators who had a dispensation if the vote wasn't close.

You might have just named two of them.

When I use lots of words, they always form an analysis (and, while producing high volume, also produce high information-density).
--Steve Harvey, 2009

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by: Ralphie @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 13:41:36 PM CDT

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I am sure that's true

Ours were probably among them, for the reasons gertie stated below.

When a swing state senator's vote won't change the outcome on a hot button issues like this, they tend to vote in the direction they think will result in the fewest even remotely credible claims for attack ads likely to be run by the opposition.

And as my head cools down I remember that in the 2008 election, very few of the special interest ads actually had to do with policy areas the groups running them actually cared about. Take this one from the US Chamber of Commerce that has nothing to do with business or taxes:

They and the NRSC would happily run whatever ads they can get past Adam Schrager's fact check on the flimsiest grounds. So might as well not give them the fodder is the logic.

Doesn't mean I always like it.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 14:20:14 PM CDT

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No problem with it at all...

so long as they permit people with marriage licenses issued in one state (Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, off of the top of my head) to be recognized as married (with all of the benefits and responsibilities) when they cross state lines....

Hell, were this to pass, my partner and I would be off to Iowa this weekend....

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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by: Arvadonian @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:36:46 PM CDT

You're not seriously equating concealed carry and gay marriage?

You can easily take your gun out of concealment in a new state.  Completely different from being denied basic rights (hospital visits, power of attorney, etc.) when a gay couple goes to a different state.

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by: G Pulviczek @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:40:41 PM CDT

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Can Not Understand Udall and Bennet

They both voted Yea.  

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by: SaveCoH2O @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 13:04:44 PM CDT

It was a ``gotcha'' vote

The Republicans, cheered on by the NRA, routinely do things like this. They don't care if it passes because the goal is to rough up senators from western states who would not want to be tagged as anti-2nd Amendment. Udall and Bennet didn't fall for it.

There will be more.

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by: gertie97 @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 13:27:52 PM CDT

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Agreed

However the NRA routinely goes against its own word and attacks Democrats who actually have good records on guns. They are a partisan organization and they can not be trusted, therefore they should not be pandered to any more than the NRSC.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 13:30:14 PM CDT

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In terms of effect on Colorado it would be nil

The example I used of Alabama is moot as Colorado already has reciprocity with Alabama, stupidly enough.

Since no state has a lower bar than the states Colorado already has reciprocity with, the net effect would be zilch. The race to the bottom has already been achieved for us.

That being said, I think California, which would be a G8 member if it were a sovereign nation, ought to be able to regulate firearms within the limits of the Second Amendment. And thankfully they will.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 13:27:02 PM CDT

Was Cali part of the bill?

It said it was 48 States with CCW laws already on the books.  I didn't know CA had such a law.

"Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"  

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by: Laughing Boy @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 16:15:13 PM CDT

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It does

Wisconsin and Illinois are the two states with no concealed carry permits.

Currently, however, California does not honor concealed carry permits from any other state.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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by: ThillyWabbit @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 16:57:24 PM CDT

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Democrats are a bunch of wimps

They have bought into the fear tactics of the NRA, and ceded that ground to the gun nuts.  The arguments presented here all the good reasons to have voted no on the thune amendment.  but we have a couple of limp dicks for senators on this issue.  

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by: smellykat @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 23:09:42 PM CDT