Ken Buck: Privatize the VA, except when I'm talking to Veterans

Buck is either lying or stoopid or both.

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by: MADCO @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:21:03 PM UTC

"I support all your issues. I don't have anything prepared to say, so what are your questions."

Buck comes accross as a flim-flam man, a con artist.

Personally, I would rather be treated at a public hospital than at a for-profit hospital, given the significantly higher mortality rates at for-profit hospitals.

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by: reubenesp @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:38:07 PM UTC

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Yeah, another Communist Socialist government run HC delivery syst.....that works.

The VA system - which that Socialist Bill Clinton turned around from the Reagan-Bush disaster - is one of the three highest customer satisfaction HC systems in America.

The other two are Tri-Care and Medicare.

Damned gummint can't do anything right!  Oh, wait.....

Thanks for this info, Dan.  Interesting about the UVC.  Pretty cool.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:22:42 PM UTC

"system", not "syst". Nor cyst. See your VA hospital if you have one!

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:23:27 PM UTC

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Sarge: now that your Buck bashing rant is over . . .

what were the questions and what were the answers?
Do you want to fill us in on the next Senator's views or do you just feel like ranting?

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:23:02 PM UTC

Ken Buck's views

He doesn't have any. He both agrees and disagrees with veterans about all their issues. He will say anything to get elected, including lying to all potential constituencies just because, for him, it's easier than telling the truth.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

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by: sxp151 @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:26:13 PM UTC

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How come Buck can't fill us in?

Does he want you to earn your shill, I mean, keep?

Seriously, all slurs aside, the man has a major policy consistency problem.  That was the point of this posting.

Whatever he says, or you say, is probably of no consequence because it will change with the next audience or the next web page rewrite.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:26:20 PM UTC

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What's wrong, Shill-Man? In a panic over "your" candidate?

I posted the legislative positions of the UVC that Buck "agreed" with. That's the point, not the Q&A session.

There wasn't any Q&A at the UVC - the rules of the forum (provided to all who appear) are that you get a set amount of minutes to make a speech to the committee on EVERYTHING you think is important. Since they only had candidates and one incumbent (Ed Perlmutter) they waived the time limit and let each Federal & State candidate speak as long as they want.

Ken said three sentences, as related above. So either he lied to the Tea Party, lied to us, or both.  

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:52:41 PM UTC

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Actually, he is kicking your candidate's ass and I am not panicing . . .

I just wanted to know if there was going to any substance to the discussion or whether this was more loser therapy session.  You answered the question.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 16:21:16 PM UTC

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Still waiting for the official spin line from Buck?

.so, where's Buck's stand on Troops to Teachers? Upgraded GI Bill? Concurrent Receipt? Agent Orange presumptive disabilities? The Transition Assistance Program? Career Development for the Wounded Warrior Program? The National Guard Education Equality Act? Service Member Student Loan Relief Act?

Does Buck has a policy regarding Mental Health Screening? PTSD training for Company-grade officers and above?

He doesn't have one.

In fact, he doesn't have a SINGLE issue on Veterans or National Security other than he knows his son is at West Point.

More importantly is the question posed by my diary (and I'll put it in caps so you can see it):

DOES HE SUPPORT PRIVATIZING THE VA OR NOT?

And now that you've seen that:

DID HE LIE TO THE TEA PARTY OR LIE TO VETERANS?

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 17:04:07 PM UTC

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His positions don't matter

He's only one Senator after all.

A woman's health decisions are a private matter between her priest and her husband.

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by: DaftPunk @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 17:41:04 PM UTC

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YES

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by: MADCO @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 18:56:24 PM UTC

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You are panicking because he isn't winning

and in  this election cycle he should be.

His VA views are horrendous. The Chicken hawks talk tough and then treat returning VETS like vermin.

50% of the new homeless in Denver county are coming back VETS from theater. That comes from George Cassidy, Denver County Vet liason.

I suppose we need to cut progams that help them if your candidate's views are followed.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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by: Ray Springfield @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 18:13:45 PM UTC

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You know quite well

Ken buck doesn't give a damn about Veterans and hasn't ever been involved with helping them. He knows nothing about the VA. He only favors giving corporate welfare to for profit organizations.That's why he supports privitazation.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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by: Ray Springfield @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 18:03:30 PM UTC

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In Buck's fantasy world

we could "privatize" the VA med centers, and save money.

Hmm- let's assume for the sake of argument that a major medical facility such as the Denver VA Med Center is going to be staffed and operated much the same whether it is gov't owned and run, or privatized.  Further, let's assume that gov't employees make the same total wage and compensation as the private sector staff. (The VA pays ok - but not as well as Rose Hospital right across the street).  

But Buck leaves out one crucial component- the VA is a non- profit. Most of the private sector is carefully guarding and improving when and where they can the profit margin of their operation.

Study after study conducted by the DoD shows that even though military hospitals are expensive, and insurance for military members and their families is expensive, both together are still far less expensive than shutting it down and just paying the military members to buy their own insurance and health care on the market.

Same for the VA.
It's why even in the "free" market American economy we can tell that single payer would result in total healthcare expense being less as a percentage of GDP than it is now.

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by: MADCO @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:27:58 PM UTC

Obama attempts to deport decorated American veterans

The brothers were stunned when they received letters from the Department of Homeland Security in 2009 informing them that they would face deportation hearings.

http://www.thedenverchannel.co...

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by: Libertad @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:33:24 PM UTC

Off topic once again Libby

Your random screed generator is working well lately.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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by: Ralphie @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:48:04 PM UTC

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Obama personally ordered this?

I doubt that, Lib.

Will ArapaGOP rescind his factually incorrect assertion regarding Rep. Coram and his son?

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:50:09 PM UTC

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Off topic and uninformed as usual...

..the problem with with DoD - they should've taken care of the citizenship issue once they served more than one term of enlistment.

"Service During Hostilities : By Executive Order Number 13269, dated July 3, 2002, President Bush declared that all those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States at any time on or after September 11, 2001 until a date to be announced, are eligible to apply for naturalization in accordance with the service during hostilities statutory exception in Section 329 of the INA to the naturalization requirements. This means that individuals with even one day of honorable active duty service can apply for citizenship, regardless of how long they have been a resident. Note: Under this provision, individuals who apply for citizenship after discharge must present a DD Form 214, with service characterized as "Honorable," or "General." Those with other characterizations (including Entry Level Separation), are not eligible."

"Section 329 of the INA also applies to service-members who served on active duty during World War I, World War II, the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict, and Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm."

http://usmilitary.about.com/od...

This has happen before, and it's going to happen again until DoD gets their shit together.


"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 14:58:03 PM UTC

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and Libby, why do Repubs have hispanic veterans?

Why doesn't Rep Lamborn do something for these two brave decorated Vietnam Veterans?

Is it because their last name is Valenzuela? Or is it because Repubs just use Vets for photo ops and press releases?

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:18:01 PM UTC

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It has been a very long time

since R pols have shown any inclination toward making serving troops or vets a priority. Throughout the Bush years they shot down all Dem efforts to pass legislation that would have funded better equipment for our troops or care for our vets, always saying that we couldn't afford it. The only thing the Rs have ever insisted that we can and must afford are the huge tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts that have never produced the promised jobs that Rs have insisted were the reason these breaks were vital, no matter the cost.

Not surprising that, up until now, vets have just slipped Buck's mind. Once the magnet goes on the SUV, that's been about it for the party dedicated only to the interests of the top 1%.

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by: BlueCat @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:03:32 PM UTC

Don't forget...

... that so-called fiscal conservatives never met a weapon program they didn't like, and are certainly free with bloating the Defense budget in the name of strength, all the while never asking if there's such a thing as "strong enough." LB, to name one in our happy little Pols family, doesn't seem to think so, if I understand him correctly.

Will ArapaGOP rescind his factually incorrect assertion regarding Rep. Coram and his son?

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:07:09 PM UTC

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Republicans Like to have their WELFARE laundered

through the Defense Department.
not to care for the injured Vets mind you. but to spend Billions on cold war projects to counter imagined threats that no longer exist. Then look the other way when the DoD no bid contractors "misplace" Millions and Billions, Then move their HQ off shore.


"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  

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by: Froward69 @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:20:59 PM UTC

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He wants more profits diverted to Halliburton most likely

to serve his former boss:Dick Cheney

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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by: Ray Springfield @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 18:15:43 PM UTC

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well said

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judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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by: Ray Springfield @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 18:14:22 PM UTC

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While the troops and vets themselves

aren't a spending priority, never have been, except for photo ops and window dressing for displays of "patriotism".

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by: BlueCat @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 20:29:44 PM UTC

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Oh like " mission accomplished" -

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by: denverco @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 21:15:44 PM UTC

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Pretty much n/t

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by: BlueCat @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 16:06:37 PM UTC

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Ever since the HC debate began

I have been pointing to the VA as a model.

Frankly it is nice to see Buck so clueless and two faced on the subject. I really hope Veterans see just how much Buck will abandon them.

the "profit motive" of private insurers Guarantees higher premiums. Buck fails to see this.

I have always advocated single payer.
roll Medicare and Medicaid together under the direction of the VA. Simple and effective.

"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  

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by: Froward69 @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:08:49 PM UTC

oh, HELL NO.

I am a fan of the Veterans HEALTH Administration. That's the part of the VA that actually provides care to Vets.

The Veterans BENEFIT administration is the larger part of the two, and it's a giant, clueless clusterfuck. This is an organization that forced Tammy Duckworth to come to an exam to prove that she had indeed lost both legs and an arm in Iraq.

The better model would be TriCare Prime for all.

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:14:53 PM UTC

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Agreed actually

I am not a Vet and am unfamiliar with the different agencies. (buck could never admit that)
The agency that does consistently rank higher than the rest, should be in charge (of the rest) as it has a history doing more with less.  

"Fake but accurate!" ~GOPwarrior "infrastructure,whatever that is." ~bjwilson83 "You leftist DICK!" ~ Laughing Boy
See you at the polls you dumb bastard.~Libertad  

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by: Froward69 @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 15:25:54 PM UTC

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A Little More About Vets

Dan a very fine diary!

There are a few misconceptions about veterans, veterans organizations and voting.

First is the UVC, I represented the City of Aurora Veterans Affairs Commission a couple of years on it, is a wonderful organization bringing together a powerful group that any politician needs to follow.

Several members of congress, notably from CD6 and CD7, with CD2 and occasionally CD4 (fill in others I do not remember right now). The Governors office is also represented. Other politicians drop by too. The meetings are once per month except for July and August so attending is not a hardship.

The organizations coming together present a very strong block at local, state and the federal levels. You cannot dismiss the requests offhand from the UVC.

The various organizations may have bylaws that can be and are often viewed as hard right.  There are also organizations that are not hard right.  That is the organization level.

Veterans as a group are as varied as the rest of the population.  Vets do not vote only one direction or as they are told to do so by their organizations. This is where a lot of CW gets screwed up.

Dems need to step in and be leaders with veterans.  As I related in an earlier diary I was given CW campaign tips about keeping knowledge of my service to a minimum. Which is actually the opposite of what I needed to do.  And I did change to proudly discuss why my time in the Air Force makes me a better candidate and why I would be better in office.

That is what Dems need to do. Many veterans are Dems! And, many of them are Repub's; repub's looking for someone to take a solid leadership role for them too.  

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30

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by: Pam Bennett @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 19:31:10 PM UTC

Good post, Dan

I long used the VA as an argument against socialized medicine on the British model, because it proved the government doesn't do well at actually providing services.  Of course, I contrasted it to the Medicare model, where the government provides the insurance (writes the checks) while letting private sector and nonprofit groups like Kaiser Permanente (where I've been a member 40 years) provide the service.
  I was lucky enough not to need the VA but had relatives who did and it was a fairly poor quality of service.  But it was greatly improved in the Clinton years.
   I'm not a fan of some of the wars we fight, frankly.  But God Damn It, if we send young men and women over to smash their brains on ieds, we owe them the best of care.  Wearing a god damn ribbon and cutting their benefits just doesn't cut it.
   

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by: Voyageur @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 20:16:53 PM UTC

Even as a 90% pacifist, I want nothing but the best for our vets

We, the citizens, made promises.  We need to keep them.  It's as simple as that.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 22:43:38 PM UTC

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Good job Sargeant

I use the VA for all my health needs having received a Purple Heart in Vietnam (USMC).  I too can vouch for the fact that the care is excellent once you are in the system.  And by nearly every measure it is very cost effective compared to the private sector.  

I am a member of the UVC and was extremely disappointed when Senator Bennet had to miss the Candidates Forum due a floor vote as part of his day job in the Senate.  That was understandable.  What wasn't was the fact that his staff did not show the flag there for him.  Buck's crowd was all over the place.  I was embarrassed since I am a staunch and active supporter of the Senator and had urge that he appear. Gotta question, again the smarts of some of those responsible on the campaign staff.

Can't question the ability of Bennie Milliner who works for the Senator in his Denver Senate office in charge of veterans issues.  He and Bill Holen in Permutter's office are the best advocates for veterans there are, IMO.  Can't imagine losing Bennie if Buck wins.

 

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by: Mallard @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 21:27:09 PM UTC

Bennie was there - he sat next to me!

The rules are that only Candidates and Incumbents can talk at the forum. I know Buck packed the house with some people to represent for him, but Bennie is well-known at UVC and really doesn't need to show the flag on these events - he's there for all the other meetings.

On that note, several incumbent staff was not there - Coffman, DeGette, Lamborn and Salazar. At least I didn't see them in the crowd.

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 22:00:50 PM UTC

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Thanks Dan, we appreciate this Topic. Buck n' Bennet are Military Clueless...

Just as anyone who has not served, regardless.
For a variety of reasons.

For me, trying to explain UCMJ  what (801-904) and why DADT was a mistake but why HR 1283 is wrong also, can be misinterpretation and misunderstood ( I AM NOT A LAWYER), so its a daunting task...

I served when the UCMJ reflected as it should the changes in this area, for heterosexuality. President Clinton, I really can't second guess, maybe for lack of service, could have articulated a similar solution for "sexual preference." Still, that would be my choice.

Thanks again, Dan.


Charley Miller

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by: charleymiller2010 @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 01:19:25 AM UTC

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Uh, Bennet is far from "clueless" about the military...

...shortly after his appointment, he made it to an Army reserve redeployment ceremony in Aurora. When he got to Washington, the first bill he signed onto the Veteran Family Caregivers Act.

Bennie Milliner is probably one of the better Military & Veteran Affairs rep of all of the Colorado Congressional Caucus, and Sen Bennet has been approachable on a number of veterans issues, esp S902 (The SERV Act, aka Veterans Court.)

He's had a real veteran advisory board for months, and a very comprehensive veteran issue page on his website:

http://bennetforcolorado.com/i...

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 04:46:00 AM UTC

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Bennet served in the Military?, when? where? or you mean.....

He showed up somewhere and smiled? That's not the problem I mentioned, is it? Otherwise, its a bunch of political hogwash and the reason you have to consider, fighting to stop the insanity.

Let me know what branch he served in, as far as I know he came from the same set of wealthy millionaire family as Ken Buck, with as much in common with the "little guy," none.

Charley Miller

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by: charleymiller2010 @ Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 00:29:23 AM UTC

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Great Diary - keep up the good work

In the last week Buck picked up another point.  Now he is up 49-44 in the just released Time CNN poll.  Here is the link: http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 22:10:17 PM UTC

Yes, but you promised double digit leads in the next poll.

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by: denverco @ Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 22:49:39 PM UTC

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Let me try and explain this to you, Shill-Man...

..there's 460,000 veterans in Colorado. When you include their immediate family members, that's more than 2 Million Colorado residents who will vote against this double-talking dickhead when they realize what a con artist he is.

If they vote at the average rate they do nationally, that means that 71% of these voters will vote for Bennet and not the Buckpedaler.  

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

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by: SSG_Dan @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 04:54:00 AM UTC

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Sarge - As I understand things many of those vets were there to support Buck

and your boy Bennet didn't show.
Nice to have some input from someone else that was there.

I am a member of the UVC and was extremely disappointed when Senator Bennet had to miss the Candidates Forum due a floor vote as part of his day job in the Senate.  That was understandable.  What wasn't was the fact that his staff did not show the flag there for him.  Buck's crowd was all over the place.  I was embarrassed since I am a staunch and active supporter of the Senator and had urge that he appear. Gotta question, again the smarts of some of those responsible on the campaign staff.

Too bad, so sad.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 12:15:15 PM UTC

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Those who were there supporting Buck...

were probably not veterans.  I had never seen them before at a UVC meeting and they were nearly all young twenty something looking staffers. So to say Buck had/has a large veterans following based on what happened at the UVC Forum is disingenuous, H-man.

Since you are quoting me above I must reiterate that my problem is not with Bennet the man, nor his policies, which I am behind 100%, but with his campaign staff and their priorities.  

I personally know Bennet "gets" veterans and their issues. I also know he has a hell of work ethic and a sense of responsibility to the Job of Senator.  I believe he has not missed a floor vote since he has been in office, which is where he was when the Candidate Forum was held.  Has Buck been so conscientious in his day job?    

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by: Mallard @ Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 12:47:18 PM UTC

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