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January 28, 2014 10:28 AM UTC
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Hey, Vancouver resents that!
Good plan. Let's turn even more kids into criminals.
Do you feel this way about gun control? Just asking.
The premise of your question is flawed. I want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. That means I support universal background checks.
But the criminality is that kids possess tobacco, and there's no point in that, right?
Is it not the same with guns? Why or why not?
Having to undergo a background check doesn't make anyone a criminal.
Fuck . . .
Something we finally agree on!!!!
No one under 21 should have possession of any kind of firearm, absent direct parental supervision.
(It's about time you finally said something sensible, blind-pig- and broken-clock- wise . . . )
I have trouble seeing this as a public health issue. From my vantage point this is just another link in the chain around young people that I call "junior majority". It's a double standard that has been increasiingly aplied in the state and around the country. People are being held responsible for criminal behavior at younger and younger ages and restricted from adult privileges until they are older and older.
How can an eighteen year old be held responsible for a crime and put on trial for his life when he's not judged responsible enough to decide if he wants to indulge in alcohol, tobacco, or cannabis? That would make an interesting defense for some 19 year old being tried in an adult court.
I am really tired of this attitude and it needs to stop.
From a brain development perspective, it makes perfect sense. For example, see this. And I recall seeing that the later people start smoking, the less likely they are to become addicted. So I have no trouble seeing this as a public health issue.
But you're correct that, on the one hand, we say kids can't make rational decisions, but then, on the other hand, punish them as if they can.
+1
Want consistency, lower them all to voting age.
100+
I agree. It's not like they don't have access to all that stuff in High School. We can have more influence if it's legal.
How about making it about selling to anyone under 21 and use it the way we do carding for alcohol? The tobacco industry has long targeted young teens because they know their product kills off their customers, they need new ones and most new smokers start and get hooked young or don't start at all.
It won't stop all young people from smoking but the drinking age doesn't stop all underage drinking either. It does make it a little harder. I don't see why carding for cigs should create any more criminals than carding for alcohol or pot. And, unlike alcohol or pot, there is no such thing as sensible smoking that won't do you grave harm. While we're at it, why not encourage tobacco growers to grow useful harmless hemp instead.
This story is not clear on who will be penalized, the buyers or the sellers. Has anyone actually read the bill?
The bill hasn't dropped yet.
The whole age thing is crazy. When I was young, you could drink 3.2 at 18; be drafted at 19; but not vote until 21. Now, you can vote at 18, but not even drink beer until 3.2 – which has created two generations that routinely break that law and "adults" who silently condone……
Make voting, smoking, and drinking legal at 18. PERIOD.
My point exactly, Dwyer. Either you're an adult or you're not. Make everything 18 or 21. But no prosecuting underage kids "as adults". I've had it with this picking and choosing to favor the powereful.So now what will the prohibitionist law-and-order types say?
Agree there. Pick an age and make it uniform. There is no point to having a legal system that sometimes treats people under a certain age as not yet adult and sometimes doesn't. As far as sending kids off to be warriors I would have no problem with raising the age for combat to 21, limiting kids right out of High School to training and non-combat roles in the military until they reach that age. But whether the arbitrary line is drawn at 18, 21 or somewhere in between, make it uniform. Make one age the age for legal majority, drinking, smoking, voting, being tried as an adult, etc.
We are in rare agreement, BC. on having a uniform age for legal majority. We might differ on that actual age.
Except, of course, blogging should be limited to those who qualify for medicare…..age should have its privleges….wisdom of the age…elders, etc. etc….
I protest! Old enough for many senior discounts but haven't made it to medicare age yet.
Once you qualify for medicare, there is not a whole lot more to look forward to…..of course, you boomers could just use that false ID….
I plan on 5 years of looking forward to Social Security (while I continue to pay in to it.)
Now you sound like my wife BC. She just turned 55 and I kid her about ordering off the 'senior menu" and her AArp membership. Truthfully, it makes me feel old and she's got 7 years on me.
Put a 19 yr. old in a uniform, give him a gun, teach him to kill people…and then tell him he is too young to smoke???
Too fucking ridiculous….
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