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November 04, 2022 11:24 PM UTC

Election 2022 Weekend Open Thread

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  2. The greatest PR success of the last 20 years was Google, Facebook and Twitter convincing people they were cutting edge, innovative High-Tech companies, when really they are Advertising distributors.

    1. Well, Amazon is also an advertising platform.

      With all the negative out of the way… Amazon is fundamentally a logistics company competing with similar companies in China. Facebook has an important networking function for family and friends (and small business). Google is extraordinary for maps, yellow pages. Twitter is pretty important for cutting edge news… much better than NYT or WaPo for covering the Ukrainian War.

      2. I wouldn’t count on Twitter being a good source for news about Ukraine going forward. It seems that Musk, the new owner, has some pro-Russian tendencies. 

        1. Well, yes. Twitter has been super essential for the correspondents and specialists, therefore something will need to replace it. They don't care about the business model, but do care that their Twitter feeds are not spammed with trolls.

          See my other post on "The real ‘product’ of any social media network is its moderation."

            1. Twitter (or equivalent) is necessary for time-sensitive communication to a specific audience (followers). No other platform makes it easy. Substack is great for long-form, in some ways similar to a blog format.

              I've been following Josh Marshall's aggregation-list of Ukrainian military and political experts. Pretty soon you figure out which experts have decent analyses… Michael Kofman, Kamil Galeev, Nathan Ruser. 

              NYT and Wapo news articles are far weaker and less current.

      3. Google, unfortunately, has now made itself absolutely essential to the functioning of public education.chances are, all your kid’s teachers ( K- college) use Google Classroom to post curriculum and organize student work. It was already being widely used before the pandemic, but became a lifeline to remote classes then. It’s a wonderfully functional free tool, and most educators used it before examining the downside.

        The downside is that a private, for-profit corporation now has unfettered access to terabytes of student and academic thought.If we lose, and the US goes down a fascist path, Google Classroom could definitely be used as a means of social control, to monitor what is being taught and learned in schools.

         

    2. Seems like they used to be better at offering value to us even though we were the product (info for advertisers). That facade seems to be crumbling lots recently for all the social medias, at least for me.

    3. “Brand Protection“. From Josh Marshal.

      Advertisers pay the bills, so “the real ‘product’ of any social media network is its moderation.” Very good article on the collapse of Twitter, but also about political advertising and both-siderism.

      But set all that aside. Musk is unable to grasp that the fighting and impulsive outbursts themselves make Twitter radioactive for most advertisers. Yesterday he began threatening that if major American brands didn’t cut it out he’d do a “thermonuclear name & shame” against them. Needless to say, no advertiser wants to get anywhere near a platform or publication where the CEO might publicly go apeshit on your brand out of the blue because of some adjustment you made in your ad spend. This is completely terrifying to any advertiser. Indeed, even ‘terrifying’ doesn’t quite capture it. They don’t need to be terrified. There are plenty of places to advertise. Would you rather go to the supermarket where it’s calm and friendly or the one where the manager might come out and bawl you out for no apparent reason in front of your family?

      None of this is activists fault. If you want to run a five star restaurant you can’t put an open air outhouse in the middle of the dining area. That’s just not how it works. Maybe that’s your thing. But it’s not how fine dining works. You don’t get to blame people who say it’s smelly or the much greater number who won’t go in the front door. That’s basically what Musk is doing. He wants to be the world’s biggest troll, play to his new far-right/Trumpy fan base and have all the high dollar national brand advertisers flock to the platform he just wildly overpaid for. That was always an absurd proposition.

    1. Is substack the new medium?

      Also I'm subscribed to your substack bloggy thing now. Please keep writing stuff. I need help detoxing from the bird app.

       

      1. Yeah, sort of. It seems to have the right balance of features for success. I think it'll replace part of what Twitter is presently used for too.

        And yes, I'm definitely charged up to keep writing. We're headed for challenging times.

        thanks – dave

  4. Am I not understanding something or is Prop 123 something the legislature could do all by itself? And if so, what does this gain as anything required by this can be countered by a decrease in general funds pointed to housing?

  5. Wheels keep coming off the Ganahl bus … Daily Kos shares the news that

    Joe Rogan admits furries-in-classroom conspiracy theory he unleashed on listeners isn't true

    In one of the more surprising turns of events, however, conservative podcast host Joe Rogan recently admitted that he’d lied when making such claims himself, as first reported by The Daily Beast. During a podcast episode with former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, Rogan claimed that a friend of his wife’s worked at a school where they had to place a litter box in the girls’ bathroom because a student identified as a furry. Now that these claims are getting national attention, he’s quietly changed his tune. 

    1. Well, we knew he was lying. What made him think he wouldn't get busted for it? Does he really think MAGATs are the only ones listening to his rubbish? 

  6. Onesiderism:

    Misinformation about the brutal attack on Paul Pelosi came from all levels of Republican politics. More than 20 elected officials, candidates and other prominent figures cast doubt on what happened and in some cases spread unfounded theories.

     

            2. On the pure entertainment value ( to you) of trolling the Libs and getting us to argue with you about patently ridiculous premises, you could say  that your comments “stuck”. 

              On the substance- that is, convincing any readers of the current GOP talking points that Paul Pelosi was to blame for his own attack, and that all those who ginned up hate against Nancy Pelosi were not to blame. . .no,  that did not “stick”.

              The loss of credibility for a formerly respected Polster- yourself- also “stuck”.

              1. What kwtree said.  

                An 82 year old man had his skull

                fractured by a hammer.  

                Har har, who hee, ain't that funny, Jethro?

                Yeah , Negev, your stink long outlasted the event.

                So did Benedict Arnold's.

              2. I made no effort to convince anybody Paul Pelosi was to blame for his own attack, nor did I even mention Mrs Pelosi's name or any hatred for her. I expressed my doubts that the assailant was a MAGA supporter which appears to be adequately supported and that the evidence at the time pointed to a simpler explanation.

                The fact that it does not comport with your narrative does not rule it out, and honestly, has no less credibility than the explanation you were so easily willing to accept. 

                 

  7. ok…according to a group of republicans, it is ok to start assassinating politicians…seems like they are the domestic enemies our founders warned us about…

  8. As we discovered post-Ukraine, Putie’s army was largely a paper tiger. Valerie Bertenelli is trolling Musk on a Putie-level scale this morning, proving that while he may be an enterprising entrepreneur, his social intelligence skills are lacking.  

    After Musk tweeted an impassioned promise that paying $8 for the blue checkmark would provide your account with a level of verification where no one could impersonate you…she discovered that once you have a verified account you can change your name to whatever you’d like (she changed hers to ‘Elon Musk’.

    The @ChiefTwit, like Oz, has been exposed as a mere mortal. 

    #VoteBlueNoMatterWho

      3. Imagine living a life where you aspire to go to a dinner there. Cheap-ass (literally) entertainment, and I don't know what the food is like but might just be a lot of ketchup. 

    2. Maybe the person assigned to set up the machine to insure the "checked" identities stayed true to the identification was among those fired.  Or maybe Musk & co. thought "no celebrity would want to impersonate someone else." 

      Meanwhile, I can renew my teenage crush on Valerie Bertenelli for something beyond her good looks.

      2. Voter suppression is real. EX: When Wisconsin canceled 30,000 voter registrations ( thank LWV for thwarting that one) when Arizona and Texas ,require proof of citizenship to vote, when TX 7 acceptable photo IDs to vote don’t include student or employee ID.

        Women in Texas must vote with whatever version of their married/ divorced/ maiden name matches voter records- with no flexibility. 

        Mail ballot Voters in PA had their votes thrown out on signature technicalities in 2016- and could be trashed again this year because of “incorrect” dates.

        There are plenty of orher examples of voter suppression- but you, like others on here, would prefer to overlook voter suppression, and to blame low turnout on progressive Dems or 3rd party candidates.

        1. "Women in Texas must vote with whatever version of their married/ divorced/ maiden name matches voter records- with no flexibility." 

          Maybe they should get off their asses and update the information. Or better yet, just keep their birth names.

    2. The Georgia early voting turnout is a culmination of YEARS of organizing by Fair Fight, the New Georgia Project, and others, mostly led by black women. 

      It should never be taken as proof that voter suppression does not exist. 

      1. Jesus Christ, La Pomposa ….

        You are as bad as the MAGA people when it comes to denying facts that are staring you right in face.

        Voter turnout up = voter suppression

        Not every inconvenience is voter suppression. And maybe the inconveniences thrown at voters is what is driving the turnout.

        1. “We proved in ’18 and it remains true that turnout does not dispel voter suppression,” Abrams said Monday. “Suppression is about barriers to access. But the antidote to suppression is overwhelming the polls with your presence and that is exactly what voters did in 2018, it’s what they continued to do in 2020 and ’21 and is what we are seeing in ’22. But it is wrong to suggest that there is a correlation between voter turnout and voter suppression because suppression is about barriers.”

          Abrams: Voter suppression in Georgia still underway despite record early turnout

          1. 2018?  Isn't that the election cycle wherein Stacey Abrams refused to concede? Looks like she started a trend.

            What she really should have done was flail her hands in the air and scream, "STOP THE STEAL!"

            BTW, since 2018, they've reformed their election laws in Georgia somehow had had a bigger turn out in 2022 than in 2018.

            But keep beating that voter suppression inconvenience trope.

            I have Jill Stein as my boogey person, you have the myth of voter suppression as yours.

             

             

  10. Good thread from Kamil Galeev on Putin’s motivations.

    What I find utterly absurd about much of the Putinology is that it tends to attribute Putin’s decisions to foreign policy concerns, while ignoring the domestic policy almost completely. It’s always about “geopolitics”, “geosecurity”. Never about keeping power at home

    Many Americans perceive the war in Ukraine as some regional conflict far off from the US borders. But that’s not how it looks from Russian perspective. From the Russian perspective it is the global war with the US. If Russia gets concessions -> we have won (the first round)

    Last but not least. It’s not “Putin’s war”. It is more of a “Russian war”, where Putin has to follow the public sentiments just to stay in power. It is waged under the public pressure. And *any* of his successors be it “liberal” or “patriotic” will be subject to the same pressure

  11. Original Intent. Harumpf. From HC-R

    On March 29, 1875, the court handed down the Minor v. Happersett decision.

    “There is no doubt that women may be citizens,” it said, but it went on to say that citizenship did not necessarily convey the right to vote. “[T]he constitutions and laws of the several States which commit that important trust to men alone are not necessarily void,” it wrote.

    According to the Supreme Court, state governments, elected by white men, could discriminate against their citizens so long as that discrimination was not on the grounds of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    The next year, white supremacists would take control of the South with the argument that Black men should not vote because they were poor and would vote for lawmakers who would promise roads, schools, and hospitals that could only be paid for with tax levies on white men. Such rules accumulated until in 1890, Mississippi codified this state-based system by putting into place a new constitution that limited voting to white men by imposing education requirements to be judged by white officials, lack of criminal record, and proof of tax paying. Soon, state constitutions across the country limited voting with all sorts of requirements that cut Black people out on grounds other than race.

    In 1920 the Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which provided that the “right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex” overruled Minor v. Happersett on the issue of women’s suffrage. But the Supreme Court continued to use its guidelines for other restrictions until the 1960s, upholding literacy tests, poll taxes, and other rules designed to keep Black people from voting.

    Finally, in 1966, almost 100 years after Virginia Minor sued, the Supreme Court decided that voting was a fundamental right protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

  12. Facebook Parent Meta Is Preparing to Notify Employees of Large-Scale Layoffs This Week

    The layoffs are expected to affect many thousands of employees and an announcement is planned to come as soon as Wednesday, according to the people. Meta reported more than 87,000 employees at the end of September. Company officials already told employees to cancel nonessential travel beginning this week, the people said.

    It looks like Zuckerberg's giant bet on the metaverse is about to take a large reality check.

    2. CNBC Tech Check was telling a slightly different story this AM. Zuckerberg has said that some teams will increase in size and some will remain flat. He did say that some will shrink.

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