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October 30, 2022 11:08 PM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • 46 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“I do not look upon these United States as a finished product. We are still in the making.”

–Franklin D. Roosevelt

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46 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. The “Trump of the Tropics.” isn’t feeling the MAGA love this morning…

    Jair Bolsonaro has yet to concede. The campaign had in part been so tense because the far-right president had cast doubts – without offering any evidence – on the reliability of Brazil’s electronic voting system.

  2. In 8 days the American people will kick your sorry asses to the curb along with your policies that have been a disaster for so many millions of citizens.

    1. Sorry, Powerful Pear.  the "disaster" for so many millions is a figment of your imagination.  There just aren't that many millionaires and billionaires walking around. 

      So, what's the measurement of "disaster" for so many millions?  If economics: "the net worth of the bottom 50 percent doubled during the pandemic. Two, that it's the highest it has been in US history."    Scarcely a disaster for 160 million people to double their net worth. 

      Some other standard?  Let us know, and we can look for signs in that realm.

      1. Hi John, did I reference millionaires or billionaires? I love your statistics. I’m sure the 50 % you refer to will remember when they are put on allocation for home heating oil. Or when they fill their diesel trucks at $5.35 + per gallon, and when they pay their utility bills and grocery bills and every other bill/fee that has increased.

        You will get plenty of “atta boys”from voters when they cast their ballots, knowing they are in the 50% that has done well. Some politician had a saying, “it’s the economy stupid”, who was that?

        1. How about canceling the trump tax cuts for the wealthy?  Yeah, that's not going to happen.  As for "your sorry asses," precisely whom are you referring to?  We'll see what the outcome is, though it will lead to the election of more of you lot of neo-fascists, sadly.  Though not so much in this state.  

      2. When you inject 2.2 trillion into the economy and have 2.5% interest rates you would hope to double the $1,200 you got handed to you. Now you can afford $800 in emergency expenses instead of only $400. 

        Now try to cash out refi all that money you made in real estate! Your $400k/2.5% purchase with a $1,200 payment doubles in value and you cash out ONE DOLLAR more than you paid for it and the mortgage is $2,100 at 7%. 

                  1. Like the Laffer Curve?

                    If only Pfruit had hedged his fuel before the Russian attack on a sovereign nation he wouldn’t be bitching about $5 diesel.  

                    It’s just math.  

  3. Hey Pols. You should take a page from Musk and start charging $20 a month for access to the site. Just think of the all the minimum wage earners you could help.

      1. I wish I had your optimism. The "left" party in the US is far to committed to neoliberalism and corporatism to have the same groundswell of support as the actual populist left in Brasil. Lula has shown that he can improve the lives of the poor – I'm not sure the Democratic party has engendered the same good will.

        1. Only time will tell, but, yes…I am optimistic. I don't believe the politics of hate will prevail here. The MAGA movement and it's Horde of Haters, have built their phony, racist, world view on lies, greed, and grift. 

          The Age of Oligarchs is upon us, unless the working people of America unite and re-establish the New Deal. The one the 1% is so desperately trying to crush. 

          Yes, PP…it is the economy. Americans are finally starting to see the phoniness of supply-side, trickle-down economics. Wanna hear a genuine "Big Lie"?

          "Wealth trickles down."

          Vote Blue…No Matter Who!

              1. When all else fails, PP inevitably turns to the typical MAGA response…projection.

                Poor PP. I could not, even if I tried, spit up the grievance balls he routinely leaves here. Like hairballs to a cat, he can only go so long before he has to upchuck some angry bullshit.

                If he were a nicer guy, I might feel a bit empathetic about his frustrating hatred of the Libs and his inability to hurt us. But he isn't nice…sooo.

        2. We will have the chance to see if that works here in 2024, Joe Burly, when Bernie Sanders gives it another try. Will third time be the charm?

    1. Here’s a better idea, Pfruit: start your own blog and charge $20/mo to impart your wisdom.  Quit giving it away here where no one appreciates your thoughtful insight. 

  4. Dying of Schadenfreude. From the Intercept.

    Excellent and hilarious article about Elon Musk's descent into hell.

    ELON MUSK (and his consortium of much smaller investors) now owns Twitter. We need to take seriously the possibility that this will end up being one of the funniest things that’s ever happened.

    That’s because as of this moment, it looks like Musk dug a big hole in the forest, carefully filled it with punji sticks and crocodiles, and then jumped in.

    Twitter currently makes 90 percent of its revenue from advertising. (The rest is largely from data licensing.) This means that you, the Twitter user, are not Twitter’s customers. You are its product. Its customers are corporate advertisers and, as every businessperson knows, the customer is always right. Grocery stores care about the people shopping for Cheetos, not about the feelings of the Cheetos themselves.

    And that’s where the hilarity begins. Musk has engaged in endless paeans to the glory of free speech and the need to end Twitter’s invidious censorship. This clearly isn’t a subject he’s thought deeply about, since he said back in May that Twitter should delete “tweets that are wrong and bad.” Still, his vague pronouncements have given him a legion of right-wing acolytes who feel they’ve been ill-treated by Twitter.

    But they are not Musk’s constituency now. Advertisers are. Even if Musk had some genuine commitment to free speech (which he absolutely does not), it would be essentially impossible for him not to continue significant content moderation.

    That’s why, after a brief nod to his wish for Twitter to be a place “where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner,” he quickly pivoted to telling advertisers that “Twitter obviously cannot be a free-for-all hellscape, where anything can be said with no consequences! In addition to adhering to the laws of the land, our platform must be warm and welcoming to all.”

    This future is obviously not foreordained. Possibly Musk will do what no human has ever been able to do before and invent 1) content moderation that everyone likes at an enormous scale, and 2) a way to make huge amounts of money off Twitter. Maybe Tesla will become so profitable that he can use it to subsidize Twitter until 2090.

      1. While I admire what Elon has done with SpaceX and Tesla, both of which have achieved unprecedented success in reshaping both markets by drawing upon a relatively small band of extremely agile and talented employees, I wouldn't shed a single tear if Twitter vanished tomorrow, along with $44 billion of Elon's fortune.  And I say that as an owner of both the stock and products from Tesla.

        He's jumped the shark, and I am doubtful that his attempt to set the ground rules for future debate will end well for anyone, least of all democracy and free speech.

      2. It would be severely irresponsible of Twitter users NOT to speculate wildly about how many underage girls Musk sexually abused on Jeff Epstein’s pedo island.

    1. Ok, I've been in the High Tech industry for decades (yes I'm old). Products come out. They zoom up. Everyone uses them. They own the world.

      And then they disappear as people move on.

      Remember MS-DOS, Lotus 123, the Palm Pilot?

      On social media it's even more brutal where Digg was replaced by reddit, My Space by Facebook, Facebook by Instagram, Instagram by TikTok. The list goes on.

      Twitter is probably going to crater under Musk. It was already in a lot of trouble where it had no route to profitability and their lack of cash meant they couldn't properly address either security or content moderation.

      And you now have an owner who follows the move fast and break things approach. And he loves the adulation he receives. This will be like Trump as president, Twitter's content moderation will be driven by Musk's thoughts on any given day.

      Add to that that most of the advertisers on it don't view it as a terribly useful channel. It won't take much for them to figure better to spend their money elsewhere.

      And once it starts to spiral down, that accelerates quickly.

      So goodbye twitter, we barely knew you.

      1. I remember studying Fortran and logging into the VAX in undergraduate school. Never thought much about it or its potential, but I thought it was pretty cool at the time. Should have kept with it, but then I would have probably become stinking rich, too busy spending my money to complain about shit here on Pols.

        Agree on Twitter. Obnoxious and offensive behavior on the platform will push people away, at least the normal ones. It is already pretty rapidly devolving.

  5. I canvassed in CD8 over the weekend, and I have good news and bad news.

    The good news is that Yadira Caraveo has a very strong campaign sending out dozens of volunteers every day. Sign up at caraveoforcongress to help out.

    More good news: Every door knocked is getting a “slate piece” door hanger – with names and pics up Democratic candidates from the top to the local bottom of the ticket.

    More good news: They are not giving up on poor people living in apartment houses or Latine and Spanish speaking voters. I know because that’s where I canvassed.

    The good news: out of 20 doors knocked, 2 were strong Dems who will vote.

    The bad news: most didn’t answer the door ( as is usually the case with canvassing), and of those who did, two said that they would not vote. One gave as his reason, ” All of those threats”. I wish the news media would stop running the pics of the two Arizona ballot terrorists in tactical gear. The net effect is to suppress the vote.

    More bad news: Barbara Kirkmeyer’s strategy is apparently to put yard signs at every major intersection in Thornton. However, she appears not to have an on-the-ground operation at all. Spanish radio continues to spew right wing disinformation; Democrats blithely ignore it and don’t counter with facts. Even our lefty radio stations like KUNC are so obsessed with seeming nonpartisan that they bend over backwards to show “both sides”.

    And to end on an optimistic note: There are endless opportunities to help save democracy in the home stretch up to the election.

    Make calls in states across the country with Swing Left.

    Volunteer with Denver Democrats, or your own county Democratic party.

    GOTV with MoveOn.

    Protect fellow voter’s right to drop off ballots without fear or intimidation. If you see something, call the AG.

     

        1. Any door-knocking operation ( left, right, whatever)  will find 9/10 voters "not home" or not answering. Same thing with phone calling and phone banking. That's what I found yesterday, and darn near every time I've canvassed. An exception was 2008 with Obama, where people would see you coming and come out to talk with you, whether they liked or disliked Obama. But it was still maybe 4 out of 10 "live ones".

          It's those 1 or 2 out of 10 that answer and tell you what they're thinking that make canvassing worthwhile and memorable.

           

      1. Driving around Jefferson County and Boulder County this weekend, I saw a lot of Republican signs on large swaths of undeveloped real estate. It appears, much like in the US overall, the empty land strongly favors Republicans.  Fortunately land does not get to vote (yet).

      2. You are correct, CHB. Political signs can be on any private property with owner's permission, but not on any public property. So those dozens of Kirkmeyer signs in Thornton on the off-ramps and intersections are against the law, and could properly be removed. I don't have plans to start a sign war, but they should go.

        Kirkmeyer's kind of a scofflaw, anyway – She's an apologist and advocate for energy companies  that  break public health laws with impunity. Even though her origin story is that she got into politics to fight back against landfill waste near  her community.

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