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February 25, 2021 06:47 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“If you are going to ask yourself life-changing questions, be sure to do something with the answers.”

–Bo Bennett


27 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. From Axios Denver newsletter.

    "Top leaders in the Colorado Republican Party are doubling down on the baseless idea that voter fraud cost President Donald Trump the 2020 election.

    • Republican state lawmakers cited the potential for fraud as the reason they introduced a handful of bills that would make it harder to vote.
    • The top contenders for Colorado GOP chair, former Secretary of State Scott Gessler and current party vice chair Kristi Burton Brown, are advocating for a recount of the 2020 vote and review of the Dominion Voting Systems equipment in Colorado.

    Why it matters: The Colorado GOP is embracing the same debunked claims of a stolen election that helped propel a mob of Trump supporters to attack the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. 

    • Gessler, who worked with the Trump campaign on legal challenges in Nevada and Pennsylvania, recently wrote on Facebook that "a full and complete investigation will prove widespread election fraud. And maybe show that President Trump rightfully won the election!"

    Reality check: Colorado's voting system is considered one of the safest in the nation because it conducts risk-limiting audits that double-check the vote counts and machine integrity.

    • Outgoing Colorado GOP chair Ken Buck, a Windsor congressman, says Trump deserves some blame for the riot and doesn't believe fraud altered the state's election results.
    • Outgoing Colorado U.S. Attorney Jason Dunn, who was appointed by Trump, told The Colorado Sun he had concerns about misinformation from the president's team about the election.

    Our thought bubble: The state's most fervent Republican activists remain loyal to Trump, according to polls, so it's no surprise to see the issue define the race for the Colorado party's next leader.

    • "It will be dominated by Trump loyalists who believe the election was stolen, including here in Colorado, and (this) plays into their most basic fears and conspiracy theories," said Dick Wadhams, a former state party chair.

    Flashback: In December, an internal GOP investigation — led by Gessler — dismissed a complaint about its party caucuses in despite evidence of fraud."

  2. So…

    I see a story about gangs within some sheriffs depts. in LA and this morning about how you can be a citizen cop in Mesa county.

    I will look into it.

    1. Well…after scouring the MCSO website, the "Crime Watch" program seems pretty straight forward as a community resource, it seems to include quite a bit of recruiting for deputies.

      Asking the question themselves; Why choose the Mesa County Sheriffs office? Their answer is that Mesa County is a "cop-friendly place". I don't pick up anything nefarious from it, immediately, but it presents a very facile and low key way to create a cop-backed militia. You know…to take care of sensitive and non- official business.


      1. Oathkeepers are still actively recruiting for their militias. It’s a far right hate group- its members are often members of the armed forces or of law enforcement, and well-trained in weapons and tactics. 

        Their basic premise is that government is the problem, all government is overreach, and their allegiance is to a post Civil War posse commitatus version of the Constitution. They see themselves as the Good Guys With Guns. Their membership overlaps with the Constitutional Sheriffs and  Peace Officers group(CSPOA)

        Oathkeepers used to keep open membership lists online, but since their leadership in the Capitol insurrection, their email and hosting platforms have been cut, and they have become more cautious. Steve Reams, Chad Day, Terry Maketa, and Sheriff Arpaio are some of the notable Colorado and southwest area officers. 

          1. Yup. Scroll to the bottom of this page where member Sheriffs are listed. 
            Morgan County’s Jim Crone,  and John Cooke, who was active in all kinds of recall-Polis and anti- ERPO shenanigans and lawsuits, were also “Constitutional” Shefiffs.

            1. Interesting list…it is a little outdated I suspect. I didn't check but it lists Stan Hilkey as Mesa Co Sheriff.

              I am not sure about current sheriffs' status.

              1. It is an old list- but interesting because it shows the historic associations of Colorado sheriffs and politicians with Oathkeepers and “Constitutional” Sheriffs. Sheriff John Cooke is now State Senator John Cooke, for example Those groups were heavily involved in the Capitol insurrection.


                The SPLC published a data spreadsheet of candidates for office in 2020, who were associated with right wing extremist groups. Lauren Boebert and unsuccessful HD13 candidate Nathan Foutch were on this list. So are way too many current elected officials from other states. 

                CSPOA and Oathkeepers no longer publish member’s names to the public. Their email and server access has been curtailed since they are now considered possible domestic terrorists. 

      2. From what I've seen, Duke, is the Mesa County program is mostly aimed at keeping political support for the sheriff and loading that pesky paperwork on volunteers.

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