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April 08, 2019 06:47 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The idea of evil is always subject to denial as a coping mechanism.”

–John Bradshaw

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  1. Someone is lying.

    President Trump says he wants the Mueller report released. He could waive security clearances for people who didn't qulify – why can't he just release the report?

    Voters would support a law that all elected officials have to release their tax returns. Why don't we do it.  (And ps – elections don't "litigate" anything.)

    1. Can't argue with what you wrote, unnamed, but I'll expound a little. The way our recall and campaign finance laws are written, people can go as far as to throw a Hail Mary of a recall and take a chance on a do-over after losing, because they know they can get big money from some organization(s) to fund operations and nobody knows what voter turnout will be like. Yes, there are bad people involved, but it's also a bad system.

        1. No matter your party affiliation, if you are somehow unable to act like a grownup around other people, you should resign.

          And, it's "bada bing, bada boom" .  

          1. So you apparently agree with the recall campaign.  At least they ask for voters to decide.  You just want the political correctness police to make that decision in lieu of voters.  Sounds fascist to me.

            1. Ya know, if voters elect someone and then they commit a crime that can be prosecuted, the prosecutors are not usurping the will of the voters.

              If voters elect someone and s/he then has a sexual harassment complaint that is investigated, found credible, and then there is a motion to toss the person out, the legislators are not usurping the will of the voters.

              And finally, if the voters elect someone and s/he then antagonizes people enough for them to try a recall campaign, people will have a chance to vote for or against the recall.  My only objection is at the margins — I think the threshold should be higher than 25% of the voters in the past election to sign a petition and then have a vote.  I think those objecting should need to come up with a number of voters who exceed the number who voted for the winner.  But that isn't how the law is written now. So we need to play by the rules set up and not say one side or the other is "illegitimate" in their use of the rules.

            2. Yellow Card foul!  . . . 

              . . . another one of those reductio ad absurdum arguments will get you an “Imitating Voyager” penalty! 

                  1. Curmy, my intelligent critics, who are legion, know I am far too egomanical to share credit with unknown sock puppets.   Out of curiosity, what does peering through your Alzheimeric haze  find as my supposed alter egos?

                    1. I'm pretty sure naming your other identities, whoever they are, would be against the rules.  It’s less a matter of sharing credit than it is saying something trollish in one voice, and keeping the other just within the boundaries of “respectability”.
                      Anyway, I ignore claims and pay attention to patterns.  Yours isn't nearly as byzantine as you give yourself credit for.  

                      You leave a trail like a goddamned slug.  

                    2. Curmy, I called your bluff and you folded. I won't call you a liar because your dementia probably deludes you into thinking you are not.  I will try to ignore you because while it is easy to show you up, what's point of tormenting an Alzheimer's victim?  Have a nice, if inevitably befuddled, day.

                    3. It’s just not that much further down any slippery slope until . . .

                      . . . not a good look for anyone.  Just sayin’ . . .

                    4. V and his pal T-Dawg do have a habit of mocking people for perceived disabilities, don't they? 

                  2. It's always easy to see when you're scared, big fella.  You talk trash, declare victory, and scurry away.  And soon, there will be one or two innocuous "V's just a regular guy, see?" posts in a vain attempt to seem as something other than you are.  It only works because the posters here are nice enough to humor you and allow it to work.  

                    You just haven't figured out yet that I'm not as nice as they are.  

                    1. V's not a troll, and I don't think he has any sockpuppets. His particular combination of overweening arrogance, hair-trigger belligerence, and dazzling wordsmithery isn't all that common, and I haven't seen it on here under any other IDs.

                      He used to be a respected journalist.

                      Now, he's just a sick old man with a hobby of being mean to people on the internet.

                    2. He used to be a respected journalist.

                      I have no doubt of that. I guess it'd be hard to deal with, when no one listens to you anymore.

                      Now, he's just a sick old man with a hobby of being mean to people on the internet.

                      Sure, and someone who makes a hobby of it, when failing to get a rise using one avenue (or alt) might very well try another, more offensive, less nuanced avenue (or alt), no?  

                      Thomas Harris (in the voice of one Dr. Lecter) called it, "The elaborations of a bad liar".  

                      Next time one of the obvious trolls posts something really offensive, watch for good old V to start posting warm & fuzzy, look-at-me-being-a-real-person posts.

                      I notice different patterns, I suppose.

                    3. I know a couple of folks who might consider a passive-aggressive ad hominem to still also qualify as an ad hominem?? . . . 

                  1. Nothing ad hominem about it.  Curmy's little paranoid fantasies are classic signs of dementia.  As to "arguments," what arguments?  I called his bluff.  He folded like a two-dollar accordion!  That ain't no argument, your pompousness.  It's a demonstration of the obvious.

                    1. As you aptly demonstrate, you are incapable of addressing anyone without insults.

                      I'll take my own advice and go back to ignoring you. 

                      This blog would be a more pleasant visit without your style of argument.

                    2. Again ,I Ask, your pompousness, What argument?

                      Curmy is a stalker.  You treat him like Kant.

                       

  3. Curmudgeon to VG regarding patterns: "yours isn't nearly as byzantine as you give yourself credit for."

    So, now you're focused on the people portrayed in this book (and similar):  "Lost to the West: the Forgotten Byzantine Empire That Rescued Western Civilization” (by Lars Brownworth)? 

  4. Change of subject: let's talk celery. And tariffs, and their effect upon the price of celery and other staples that we get from south of the border.  I was all set to make a week's worth of tuna fish salad, which is healthy, low-calorie, and delicious with the right additions.

    But the produce department at my small town grocery store (yes, we have only one) had a rude shock waiting for me: At $4.69 a pound, the celery costs more than sirloin steak!

    I asked the produce manager to explain. "Well when the tariffs were put in place, the produce we used to get from Mexico costs more because for them to make any profit on it, they have to raise the prices. So we have to pass that along."

    Luckily, I can still get locally grown and organic celery for $1.69 and $2.49 a pound, with only a few pounds of carbon pollution and gas money from the round trip to Greeley. But $rump is gonna get the moms of America riled up. Don't mess with our fricking tuna fish salad!

    Seriously, this is going to keep snowballing, especially in low-income and rural areas that are already struggling to provide fresh produce.

    2. Jeeez, tuna salad with celery?? . . . 

      . . . you should be glad you didn’t have to pay a fine for culinary misdemeanor.  (If you used mayo, then that’s a felony.)

      Tuna, dill pickle, chopped onion (— I prefer green onions), cilantro, chives (if you didn’t use green onions), lemon (juice and zest — and/or preserved lemon if you got it), dulse (optional), chopped kalamata olives (optional), olive oil, salt and pepper to taste. (I could even get behind up to half an avocado, but not if you’re planning on having and eating any leftovers. Better to just add a bit to each portion as it is served/eaten.)

        1. LOL. (That’s, no doubt, because of the accursed celery and [shudder] mayo??! . . . Hell, they probably even used effin’ “Miracle Whip” [mega-shudders and unhappy childhood flashbacks], a literal crime against humanity!!!?)

          I actually thought that grilled abomination steak I just finished for tonight’s dinner was rather tasty, as was the grilled asparagus . . . 

          . . . I know what you mean, though.  Fortunately there are, nowdays, even many various canned abomination options that aren’t nearly so, um, abominable.  But, still, it’s hard to live beyond one’s childhood punishments.

      2. Sorry, Dio. You lost me when you got to the soapweed (cilantro). And seaweed? Eeew. I just won't have you over for lunch. 

        Mayo, onion, celery, sweet pickle, and hard-boiled egg. Now that's a proper tuna salad.

        1. So, substitute celery fronds/tops/leaves for the cilantro (or use Italian parsley or regular parsley), and skip the optional dulse?? . . .

          . . . you’re the cook here, I’m just a dilettante hobbyist! 😎

          1.  If you're gonna substitute for the cilantro, try Mexican oregano. Apparently, it tastes like cilantro does to people who don't have the gene that makes it taste like soap.

      3. That sounds tasty, Dio. I may try the olives and lemon zest, anyway. Green or red pepper ( I will forever now think of the ripe ones as "commie peppers" – thank you, Jared and bots that target him), jicama, red onion are also nice additions.

         

    3. But will they be mad enough about it to show up and vote his sorry carcass out next year? Maybe if they are encouraged to connect the price of produce to The Screaming Yam, they will.

  5. Aw, the hell with Godwin's Law — *rump wants the DHS to become his private Gestapo with Stephen Miller in the shadows pulling the strings.

    Trump Just Purged DHS Because Its Leaders Weren’t Breaking the Law Enough

    Trump’s “near-systematic purge” at “the nation’s second-largest national security agency,” as one senior administration official put it to CNN, is an ominous indication that Trump will now brook no independent judgment at DHS. He wants an agency that does exactly what he asks. And what he asks is frequently cruel, brutal, and lawless.

    Shortly before his termination, Politico reported that Miller asked Cissna “to launch more experimentally and legally questionable policies,” but Cissna declined “to overstep legal boundaries.” His effective efforts to curb immigration and penalize immigrants could not spare him from the purge.

    If Nielsen and Cissna were not sufficiently extreme, it is alarming to consider what might come after them. Both bent the law as far as they could to implement hugely controversial and frequently vicious policies to further Trump’s nativist goals. It wasn’t enough for the president. With their ousters, DHS is entering a new era, one in which the agency will do whatever Donald Trump and Stephen Miller think it can get away with.

  6. Gertie, Irish Catholics weren't the only ones to suffer from the church's bizarre notion that fish is somehow not "meat." 

     Our German Catholic family endured canned salmon patties friday after friday.  Cooked by my live-in Lutheran grandmother who never quite forgave my mother for converting to Catholicism to marry my father!

    And we lived on a farm, raised our own steers and chickens and were knee deep in roast beef and Fried chicken — and even goose eggs.

    Except on Friday, the revenge of Martin Luther Day.

    But rarely did we see Tuna and I might try dio's recipe.  And I do love Salmon, as long as it isn't canned.  Dio's kitchen artistry may yet redeem his reputation.

    2. Move over salmon patties….

      In the 17th century, the Catholic Church decided that the beaver is a fish. While this was done based on its semi-aquatic habitat and as a way for beavers to be eaten on Fridays during Lent, that doesn't change the fact that the Church said a beaver is a fish. 

      There's no punchline here (except I’d die for Dio’s coveted mayo-chipotle-glazed beaver recipe).

      If we can't laugh at ourselves (and PoddyMouth), who can we laugh at? 

        1. Pfffffft.  Franklin Graham declared him a Christian!!??? . . . 

          . . . there just ain’t no ridiculous like church ridiculous.

          (PS. You’re on your own for beaver recipes, MB.  I’m just not ever wading into that pond . . . )

            1. You are the king of the weird food imagination. Beaver patties, cadbury egg mayo? Well, maybe the crown prince of weird food.

              Around here, they actually fundraise  real money from a feast of battered and fried "oysters", so-called, which turned out to be sheep nuts. The fixation with sheep is unhealthy. They make little children ride on them in the "mutton busting" event at rodeos.

              And my mama was definitely the queen of the weird food imagination. She tried her best to get us to eat all of those organ meats – kidneys, liver, brains, tongue, to no avail. That was while she was on her Adelle Davis health kick.  Thank God that didn't last.

              Now, I found that authentic Mexican food makes delicious tacos out of all those organ meats. Who knew? It turns out that anything tastes good marinated in plenty of chile and lime juice.

              Yes, I would much rather discuss food than politics today.

              1. You've not lived until you've been to the Testicle Festival in Montana! We had a 700 cow-calf operation on our ranch growing up so let's just say we had copious amounts of protein to our avail every spring when we 'worked' the calves!

                I consumed a lot of things growing up that I shy away from today.  My mother, being a product of the depression, never wasted a single thing.  Head cheese, cow tongue, blood sausage.  You get the picture.   

            2. I gotta’ say, MB, that in my (admittedly, limited) lifetime experience, I’ve rarely ever come across any beaver that I thought might be worth the time and effort.

              So, my (reluctant) recommendation would be, don’t be making any big fuss over a critter that’s only going to disappoint anyway.  Instead, just slap a little dijon mustard on it and call it good . . .

              . . . then forget about the whole project, and go out and grab some pizza and beer with your buddies.

              YMMV, of course, in which case:

              https://www.amazon.com/Ways-Beaver-Kate-Krukowski-Gooding/dp/0989859703

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