TUESDAY UPDATE: From the Wisconsin State Journal–denials getting sniffed out, found wanting:
The recordings indicate that group was working with the state Republican Party and another organization, Americans for Prosperity, and planned to send mail to addresses on voter rolls and use any mail that is returned to challenge voters’ registrations. The practice is known as “voter caging.”
…Dake confirmed that tea party members had been at a coalition leadership meeting in Marshfield on June 12. And he said AFP had been planning on sending out mailings to confirm people are “legitimate voters.”
But he said they were interested in preventing voter fraud, not keeping legitimate voters from the polls.
“No, it wasn’t targeting anyone,” Dake said. “I don’t know how you could tell these were minorities or students.”
…Mark Block of Americans for Prosperity denied involvement to the Wisconsin State Journal, and said he didn’t think he was in town on June 12.
“I’ve never had a conversation of that sort with anybody,” Block said.
But he told Milwaukee Journal Sentinel he had discussions with Dake and others about targeting voter fraud. He reportedly told that newspaper his group had sent 500 letters to voters asking them to join the organization, with the purpose of seeing whether or not the letters could be delivered. [Pols emphasis]
The story just now coming out from Madison, Wisconsin, involving that state’s Republican Party, conservative activist group Americans for Prosperity, and local Tea Party groups, isn’t alleged to involve their counterparts in Colorado. That we know of, anyway–from the release we got:
A coordinated plot by the Republican Party of Wisconsin, Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin and organizations in the so-called Tea Party movement targeting minority voters and college students in a possibly illegal “voter caging” effort for voter suppression has been uncovered in evidence obtained by One Wisconsin Now, a statewide advocacy organization in Madison, Wisconsin.
“Based on what we have heard, the Republican Party of Wisconsin, the Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin and leading Tea Party organizations are in collusion in an effort to suppress the ability of minorities and university students in Wisconsin to exercise their right to vote this November,” said Scot Ross, One Wisconsin Now Executive Director. “We will be providing all of the evidence we have received on this wrongdoing to federal and state authorities so that they can investigate to ensure justice and democracy prevail.”
THE PLOT
According to the statements made on the recordings, Dake lays out the plans, detailing contact between himself and Reince Preibus, the Republican Party of Wisconsin Chair and Mark Block, state director of Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin:
The Republican Party of Wisconsin will use its “Voter Vault” state-wide voter file to compile a list of minority and student voters in targeted Wisconsin communities.
Americans for Prosperity will use this list to send mail to these voters indicating the voter must call and confirm their registration information, and telling them if they do not call the number provided they could be removed from the voter lists.
The Tea Party organizations will recruit and place individuals as official poll workers in selected municipalities in order to be able to make the challenges as official poll workers.
On Election Day, these organizations will then “make use” of any postcards that are returned as undeliverable to challenge voters at the polls, utilizing law enforcement, as well as attorneys trained and provided by the RPW, to support their challenges…
“Work with the media on this and district attorneys. Try to get them involved early and fired up about this and say look, ‘We know you’re shorthanded, we’re hands, we’re boots on the ground. We will help you, just bring the weight of the law behind us.'” [Pols emphasis]
“[Y]ou run into the racial thing. You have people screaming, ‘Oh, you’re denying the minorities the right to vote.’ No., we’re denying their right to vote multiple times.” [Tim Dake, GrandSons of Liberty]
For more on the controversial–and depending on circumstance, illegal–practice of “vote-caging,” read this primer from NYU’s law school. And obviously, this will be a story to watch closely.
UPDATE: a supporting set of documents linked to in the release.
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With Tancredo elbowing himself into a state wide race without a single vote cast for him.
The whole brew-Ha-ha trying to get maes to quit so Dick Wad-hams could instill someone else.
Buck’s admission he would like to see Voters taken out of selecting Senators…
Diabold’s Guaranteeing victories for republicans and the republicans absolute fear of recounts.
Now this
Makes one seriously wonder if Republicans would allow Voting at all, if they had their way.
and there’s no mystery as why Ken Buck holds a multi point lead. Further Tipton is up 8-10 points and Gardner holds a double digit lead over Bailout Betsy.
Why incumbants Bennet, Markey, Hickenloooper, and Salazar can’t clear 45% in polling does raise questions.
Hickenlooper is the incumbent governor? And that a “multi point lead” that’s within the margin of error means anything other than a dead heat? You’re as adept at interpreting polling as you are with budgets.
source H-man
You can’t win with negatives like that. Worse those come after months of negative Bennet advertising …
OBVIOUS republicans are going to win… then why should average republicans vote?
they should stay home and be happy! Vote rigging and caging BY REPUBLICANS is going to do the voting for them.
YAY republicans have all the answers…
barf
SO you condone it.
Again republicans should STAY HOME on election day! Libertad and the republican party have selected your representatives FOR YOU. so no need for republicans to vote at all.
Thank You libertard, for enlightening us.
answer me this … what does Denver do with its returned mail-in ballots?
What about other counties?
as in filled out and returned?
I expect them to be counted.
or returned to sender as “not at this address”?
probably the name is marked as not voting in the voter rolls, three missed elections and then dropped.
I do not know about other counties.
I assume you wanted a sincere and truthful answer, so I called and spoke to my Republican Chief Deputy County Clerk. Of course you could have done the same thing, but you’re Libby.
Ballots are sent by non-forwardable mail. If a ballot is returned as undeliverable, that means the address in the voter file is no good. The County cannot unilaterally change a voter’s address, so an undeliverable ballot prompts the County to send out a “confirmation card” by forwardable mail, in hopes that the non-receipt of a ballot and receipt of such a card will prompt the voter to update their address with their local county clerk. They will then be sent a ballot to the new address. Normally, that takes care of the problem. That process is the same everywhere, whether in Denver or Mesa County, as it is a State election rule.
If a voter with a known bad address shows up at a polling place and still wants to vote, what happens next depends on the county. If it is a county like Mesa that has electronic pollbook access, the voter can show ID, update their address on the spot, and will then be allowed to vote. If it is a county that is paper-only and does not have electronic pollbook access, the voter can show ID and will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
I believe that adequate safeguards are in place.
also from your post (sidestepping the issue) it would appear you condone vote caging.
In an earlier thread I pointed out to H-man that if you subtract (R)assmussin numbers All the Democrats win and Colorado stays blue.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/…
Say, what happens to all those Denver mail-in ballots that get returned?
I get four here at the house… I fill out and return every one.
to my former roommates/family and make sure they aren’t purged from the voter rolls.
Depending on what DMV one goes to also determines if one gets asked of they would like to be registered to vote. Many aren’t even asked.
It was fairly clear to me based on your comment that you admit to conducting fraudulant voting.
is that a federal offense or just a state offense or both?
is only offensive if spelled incorrectly. And by offensive, I mean to most educated people.
voter caging. or rather “Purging” the voter rolls of Democrats. you know, those groups “suspected” of “possibly”, “maybe”, “subversively” voting Democratic.
I just admitted that three other persons use this address as their Voter Address.
one is my niece, never lives in the same place longer than 6months.
one is My Nephew (in the Navy)
The last is an ex Girlfriend/Roommate whom I still have coffee with from time to time and discuss politics.
and ME.
making sure they/we are not
Cagedpurged from voting is a community service.I get four, too, all made out to me, and I return every one of them. Doesn’t everybody? I’ve got to beat Repub caging somehow.
Let’s make Hickenlooper the incumbent right now. Save those poor, hardworking Republicans from pouring their money down two colossal shitholes.
he was in a thread that pointed out the difference between likely voters and registered voters. Maybe you two could clear up the differences between those polls and this story for all of us.
and even shils like H-man only claim 5 via rassy.
I believe that only one poll, of the three or so that has ever had Bennet in the lead, was a likely voter poll and I do not know what their methodology was. The others were registered voter polls which tend to overcount groups of people less likely to vote and as a result are not as good predictors of where things stand. People that analyze polling can make some rough translations which is why guys like Nate Silver are so good. In this cycle adding 5% to the Republican for a registered voter poll is in the range of reasonableness.
Any credible poll done this late in the game will be a likely voter poll.
What kind of a shill are you to only add 5 percent to a poll already notoriously pro-Republican?
And you call yourself a shill?;-)
The August PPP poll (Daily Kos) was a registered voter poll. Bennet was up by 3% in it. It would likely be treated by someone who knows what they are doing as he was really down by 2%.
(by someone who understands sampling and statistics) as tied.
Reports from the eastern front indicate that the Obama Whitehouse countering reports that it is preparing to wage an all out offensive on the Tea Party.
In fact the Obama Whitehouse congratulates and encourages the Tea Party movement as a good thing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new…
http://www.foxnews.com/politic…
in which President Obama referred to “healthy skepticism” as a good thing?
He wasn’t referring to the Tea Party specifically. He mentioned George Washington and “those guys across the ocean”. He spoke about how skepticism towards our government has been an integral part of Americanism since it’s inception. It’s why he doesn’t fear the Tea Party.
It’s amazing what comes out once you put actual news through the conservative echo-chamber filter.
It starts out saying that something by someone may be “possibly illegal.”
Also, is the truth likely to be that bad when the supposed evidence included comments advising to work closely with attorneys & the press to do this?
Must be a slow news day. Now you’re having to literally make up ‘news.’
You’re defending organized vote caging?
But you’re right, what could possibly be wrong with a scheme that involves attorneys.
in Jacksonville, Florida. Disenfranchising african american voters while they were on active duty fighting the very war he sent them to.
Classy, and patriotic.
He bragged about the quantity of the voter caging they had done… until it got some attention in the press, then every inkling of any reference to caging disappeared from their website!
They are classy and somehow never figure out that voter caging is illegal.
As I’m sure you can interpret from my plain English. I’m just saying that it isn’t news yet. And may never be.
If this came from a legitimate news organization it might be worthwhile. But it’s from a blatantly partisan group who could just be making one or more points up.
And as I said in plain English, is it likely to be something illegal when both “attorneys & the press” are involved?
“Obama is a Muslim” and “Obama is a racist” ALL headlines from The
reputable newssource Fox news.I just want to hear you say that it’s OK to target a group of voters based on their race.
The whole idea is to suppress voter turnout. You’re OK with that, too?
I said it. Interestingly, I’m not the only one who believes this to be useful:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/…
But no, I’m not ok with supressing turnout. Frankly, I think Dems are motivated enough to sit this one out.
What does Progress Now have to do with this? I don’t see their name anywhere.
I realize Progress Now is LB’s all-purpose boogeyman now that ACORN is disbanded. Just wondering if there was something more, or if this is just more of his trash talk.
Along with H-man’s post below.
Drunken Union thug secretly taped divulging “secret plan” and possible illegal coordination.
Your source.
http://watchdog.org/6594/crimi…
She’s a loser. She got paid to go collect signatures for a ballot initiative, but instead she went to Starbucks and sipped a latte while she filled out forms. Go ahead and throw her lazy ass in the clink.
Do we really want to play tit-for-tat about the bad apples at the bottom of the barrel? I think it’s a bit different when it comes from the top.
…here on Pols.
This is a front-paged story about probably nothing, because it supposedly makes Republicans everywhere look bad.
It’s like SXP posting one of his stories about some shithead that happens to be a Republican, and then asking ‘Why do Republicans hate humanity?’.
I’m the tat. Pols personal El Guapo….
🙂
Which one?
that LB was a Dutch mixed martial arts fighter and commentator ? Kick ass !
It reminds us that Republicans everywhere look bad.
What? Somebody called me, I showed up. That’s what you get for turning on the SXP-signal.
The story just now coming out from Los Angeles, California, involving that state’s Democratic Party, progressive activist group Progress Now, and local La Raza groups, isn’t alleged to involve their counterparts in Colorado. That we know of, anyway–from the release we got:
. . . Someone tried to register citizens that were not citizens . . .
This all seems like a rather sleazy attempt to tar Colorado Republicans and Tea Party types.
What you just wrote makes no sense. Take some time and try again. Use the google…
. . . Someone tried to register voters that were not citizens. . .
n/t
The ColoradoPols story was sleaze at its finest:
I just tried to switch parties and interest groups to show how unfair that intro was.
I hate to break it to you, but the Republican party and its supporters has a history of attempting to suppress minority voting. Sometimes those efforts get really sleazy, or even illegal. The converse isn’t true to my knowledge. If you come up with something, let me know.
And before you start talking about ACORN, 2 words: Ann Coulter.
Republicans are always trying to suppress voter turn out. Everyone knows that. Rs can always find an isolated incident or two of Dem supporter misbehavior but the fact is it is always in the interest of the GOP to suppress and they have always done more of it directed from the top down then any Dem connected efforts by many magnitudes.
My son worked for Kerry on campus in 2004 and they spent most of their time in the final stages of election chasing after notices that had been left by the Young Republicans telling registered Dem students their polling place had been changed, the date of the election had been changed, etc.
For all the fuss about ACORN, Rs are the champions at using dirty tricks to steal close elections in the 21st century, hands down. Dems don’t come close in quantity or in position on official food chain of election lawbreakers. Lib, LB and H-man can’t possibly produce hard evidence that this is not the case no matter how many little exceptions to the rule they can come up with.
If you don’t believe that voter suppression is always a priority for the GOP just ask Karl Rove. If you don’t believe there have been far more successful prosecutions of Rs in connection with election dirty tricks, including jamming phone lines to stop Dem efforts to provide rides to the polls (just one example), just use google or bing or whatever.
My sons experience was that Young Republicans on the college campus specialize in teaching their members immoral, sleazy, dirty tricks. All for Jesus I suppose.
..the Republican Party has always wanted to limited voter participation, and the Democrats – sans the Dixiecrat wing – have wanted to increase participation. Not saying purity for either party, but that’s the upshot.
Joseph Worthington Ballister III vs. Joe and Josephina Sixpack, ya know?
eliminates the worst limitation of voter participation in our nation’s history. Your brethern in the South can not be treated so lightly.
are largely Republicans now.
My post wasn’t about the Dixiecrats nor letting them off the hook.
As noted, the spiritual descendants of the Dixiecrats are now Republicans. See: “Southern Strategy, Nixon, Reagan, et al.”
When dems do voter intimidation they are traded to the republicans for a future draft choice and a player to be named later?
Guys that’s your history. Ours is Lincoln. I will be happy if you chose to emulate our history too.
Nixon – watergate
Reagan – iran contra
gw bush – inherits a surplus – squanders that. Starts 2 wars , lies to get support for these wars, and then never has a plan to pay for them. Finally, is president during the worst economy since the depression ( officially began Dec 2007 ). He and the gop stand by while the economy tanks and gives tax cuts to millionaires and bales out wall street. Remember McCain suspending his campaign to go vote for the bush bailout?
You can keep your right wing history, none of it has been good for the USA.
You can’t hide under Lincoln’s skirts forever…although you seem to keep trying.
BTW, ever look at the Republican Party platforms later that century? Why, positively progressive! Giving women the right to vote and similar claptrap.
But by the turn of the (prior) century, the two parties sort of swapped generally philosophies and ideologies. Interesting, no?
that the Repubs were unrivaled in quantity of prosecutions for dirty tricks in the 21st century (OK I’m including 2000 even though 2001 is technically the first year of the 21st) but H-man is studiously ignoring that. Also studiously ignoring the fact that from Lincoln through GW, not a single GOP president would meet the GOP litmus tests in place today. And of course the fact you bring up, parsing, that former Dixiecrats are now Repubs.
The facts are clear on both voter suppression and racism. There’s really nothing to argue about. Today’s Repubs are undisputed champs in both categories. Everything H-man prefers to talk about is in the past, the history of the GOP before the crazies took over the asylum.
Latest lunacy? Newt campaigning against the imposition of sharia law and vowing to fight pols (no doubt Dems) and Supreme Court judges who want to impose it. So silly that calling it a straw man argument would be to lend it a million times more dignity then it deserves. Loonies in crowd cheer. GOP pols silent in the face of the lunacy. Newt officially no longer to be considered a serious person. In fact he is making Palin look serious in comparison.
What about Kennedy and the mob in Chicago?
21st century? How many times will you righties ignore that so you can talk about the past instead of the elections from 2000 to the present? I am specifically not referring to events of the 60s. I have so stated quite clearly twice. It’s getting really tiresome. I know that your reading comprehension is better than that, LB. I expect willful obtuseness from H-man but not from you.
That whole extra century thing screwed me up. Sorry for that.
as a member of today’s GOP, you’re deluded. The only part of his platform that today’s GOP would welcome is the pro-business, pro-captitalist part. The heroics for which he’s better remembered are the stuff of liberalism and progressivism today.
Recount!
LOL