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Thursday Open Thread

by: Colorado Pols

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 06:40:57 AM MDT


"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."

--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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"Vulgar" Indeed
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/w...

There is no way to deny that a nation founded by way of revolution is "liberal" and there is no legitimate way to deny that a nation that refused to establish any religion is "secular." - Dr. Bruce Prescott
Great moments in advertising
from Fox News - how on earth this ever got approved is beyond me.

Tom Tancredo Interview
I've seen this...
... and heard it was for a foreign market.

Although... the price listed does seem to be in American dollars. What other countries use dollars? Canada and Australia... anyone else?

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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Old news
Singapore.

Search The Google for: burger king singapore

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Big news a week ago
Good to see Fox is on top of things.
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Fast food restaurants and innuendo
Reminds me of the McDonalds ad from a few years ago featuring the Dollar Menu Guy gazing wistfully at a double cheeseburger while thinking "I'd Hit It."

http://www.andrewteman.org/blo...

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U.S. soldier captured
from CNN

A U.S. soldier has been captured by militants in Afghanistan, the U.S. military and the Taliban said Thursday.

Here's hoping that they are able to rescue him.

Tom Tancredo Interview

I knew the newspaper business was in trouble...
But this is ridiculous.

For $25,000 to $250,000, The Washington Post has offered lobbyists and association executives off-the-record, non-confrontational access to "those powerful few" - Obama administration officials, members of Congress, and - at first - even the paper's own reporters and editors.

The astonishing offer was detailed in a flier circulated Wednesday to a health care lobbyist, who provided it to a reporter because the lobbyist said he felt it was a conflict for the paper to charge for access to, as the flier says, its "health care reporting and editorial staff."

With the newsroom in an uproar after POLITICO reported the solicitation, Executive Editor Marcus W. Brauchli said in a staff-wide e-mail that the newsroom would not participate in the first of the planned events - a dinner scheduled July 21 at the home of Publisher and Chief Executive Officer Katharine Weymouth.

H/t Redstate


"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke

This goes on all the time
I would list the items like that we have been offered as a s/w company except that RedGreen would then ping me again for bringing my company into the discussion.

Tom Tancredo Interview
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But, but...
I thought it was all about you, David...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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I have 3 daughters
It's never about me :)

Tom Tancredo Interview
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Yeah David
that's really the point I was making.

If you've been offered cash-for-access deals by news organizations, that would interesting.  

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Nope not news organizations
Just government officials & senior executives at major companies. We've always turned it down because it seems no different from those golf trips Tom DeLay set up.

Tom Tancredo Interview
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LOL
you crack me up
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Common Ground!
Finally, something the Left and Right can agree on.

There are so many words to describe this, ranging from atrocious to idiotic.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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Pravda on the Potomac
Of course, the question that begs is is the WT a newspaper?  Or a house organ for failed Republican agendas?  

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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The paper in question is the Post, not the Times n/t

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"Thanks" for that correction!
I guess in my haste it just sounded like something the Times might do.

Bad Post!  Bad Post!

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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Where was the photo taken?
http://www.scottmcinnisforgove...

Not ready to call a Bob Schafer moment, but where is the photo from behind the tag line "What do you want for the future of Colorado?"  

Looks like North Maroon Bell photo shopped on top of the Collegiate Range.  And where in Colorado is a mountain of such stature with a wooded mountain valley.  

I have had one person speculate this is Montana or Idaho.  

The mountain shadows are not consistent.  Makes me think photo shop is in play.  

Above the U in the word "You" is Mt of the Holy Cross
Mt of the Holy Cross made the cut in the photo shop experiment.

 

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Doesn't look like it...
Wrong shape, wrong mountain face...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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Not meaning whole Mtn
Look for cross over the U
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Nah.
First, the Holy Cross is more vertical, less slanted to the right.  Second, the arms of the Holy Cross tilt up on both sides, whereas this mountain has one "cross" arm up and one down.

I think gertie is right - it's somewhere in the San Juans.  I was oggling through pictures and found a few San Juan peaks that had the horizontal banding that makes you think "Maroon Bells".  See, for example, Gilpin or Vermillion Peaks.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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A good point
A lady in our office pointed out, that if that picture were really in Colorado and was not photo shopped, wouldn't we all know it right away.  

Like Mt Sopris, Lake San Crystabal, Mt Sneffels, Mt Massive, Longs Peak, Pikes Peak, ..

A vista that beautiful, across a valley that wide should be instantly recognizable.    

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Got a different image that might agree with you
I've never seen the Mt. of the Holy Cross from the side, but I do have to say it looks kind of closer from that angle...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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My image of Holy Cross
Holy Cross is the highest peak in its vacinity.  I do not believe there are taller mtns close to it and not from a lower angle.  Also you have to hike to Holy Cross or view it from the top of Vail Ski area.  There are no large valleys there except Minturn, and that is not Minturn.  
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It's not HC, regardless
I can find a half-dozen other peaks with "crosses" on them - the Mt. of the Holy Cross is only significant for the isolation of its display.  There's a cross, for example, visible from the top of Mt. Sneffels.

(You can view the Mt. of the Holy Cross from Shrine Pass as well, BTW, and while the view has forested valleys, the perspective is totally wrong.)

I don't know where this is.  But given my admittedly mid-level PhotoShop skills, I think it unlikely that this is a PhotoShop job.  I'd like to know - it's a pretty site.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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think it is Maroon bells
but not sure.  The angle is strange, are we looking across the valley from the SE?

Looked on 14ers.com (the best website for 14ers!!) for some comparisons, but, again, the angle is weird.  

http://www.14ers.com/photos/pe...

If it is Maroon Bells, yes, it is the most photographed mountain in Colorado, but it is in Pitkin County, firmly Democratic country for our state.

Odd choice, I would have chosen something in the Sangres, maybe Crestone, Kit Carson with the Sand Dunes in front....

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Wrong valley
The valley at Maroon Bells is decidedly mixed composition, with visible lakes and not much civilization - not even fire breaks.  Additionally, there's only the small glacial valley at the Bells - no larger valley below that would match the image.

The valley in the picture has a U-shaped glacial valley pouring into a wider valley, and the lower valley is both evergreen and lightly populated (small town?).

I could swear I've seen that peak before, either in an image or in person.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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but the peaks look like the bells from the side
and you're right the valley doesn't match with where the mountains are situated.  The approach to the Bells, with the lakes and all would be behind the ridge, past the big U in the ridgeline.

I dunno...

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Don't really know
It's a pretty good detailed transition from the valley floor to the mountains, and the same goes for the transition across the glacial valley heading up to "North Maroon Bell", or what looks like NMB...  The sun is shining through haze from the left side, and shadows are consistent IMHO.  My guess is, it's not Photoshop.

I don't know of too many wooded valleys like that in the state, complete with a small town.  My guess is it's got to be somewhere near the Maroon Bells; that rock formation, which creates the characteristic horizontal banding, isn't very prevalent except in that area.

I'd like to know, but looking at the rest of the site the campaign has been very good at using Colorado images.  I'd ask for answers but give him the benefit of the doubt for now...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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It could be the San Juans
Lots of pretty country there, with occasional small towns.
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Can not be the San Juans
The valleys of the San Juan are desert country.  Very few trees.

Maroon Bells are in the heart of the WHite River National Forest with Snowmass and Apen on both sides.  Bells are not close to a large valley.  

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Wrong, and wrong.
There are many wooded valleys in the San Juans.  See, for example, Ouray.  What there aren't so many of - in much of Colorado - are U-shaped glacial valleys of this magnitude.

As to the Bells not being close to a "large" valley, the image is not of North Maroon Peak, but it is reminiscent of that peak.  There are other peaks in that area that have similar characteristics, and the Bells are by no means surrounded by Aspen and Snowmass; there's a popular multi-day loop hike that covers the regions behind the Bells and surrounding areas.  There are large valleys along the hike...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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I've backpacked the 4 pass loop
and the valley in the pic wouldn't be the valley approaching the Bells.

It's not the Holy Cross, the mountain is facing the wrong way for the range it is in and there isn't a town in that valley except the old ghost town.

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Look at the valley floor in the photo
If this is the San Juans, than the photo would have to be from Ridgway, Dove Creek, Dolores, Bayfield, Gunnison or some low area like that.  The conifer forest on the bottom of the photo does not fit the desert country.  These areas are pinion juniper.

Could it be in the Fort Collins area or the Wet Mountains near West Cliff?

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Not directly around Ft. Collins
Possibly between Ft. Collins and Walden along Rt.14.  I don't know enough about the Wet Mtns. to say...  So much gorgeous state, so little time...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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Height says...
Assuming the front peak is ~13,000', the larger valley floor should be 9,000'+.  That's a pretty high valley.  And a pretty big one.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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Found it - Lake Louise - Alberta Canada
http://www.bing.com/images/sea...

Look to the far left of the photo.  Maroon Bell looking moutain with a large mountain behind.  The notch on the right side of the bell shape is a dead ringer.  The glacier valley leads right into Lake Louise.

Classic.  Schaferish but wrong country.  

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More prof - Lake Louise Mtn Resort
http://www.bing.com/images/sea...

I am the King of the World, bring me your finest meets and cheeses.  

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That's it!
I had a feeling it was Canadian Rockies.

This is worse than Shaffer.  This is not even inside the United States.

http://mcinnisforcolorado.com/Portals/_default/Skins/McInnis/graphics/colorado-future.jpg

http://ski.canada.travel/uk/assets/images/Lake%20Louise%202%20Credit%20Henry%20Georgi.jpg

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What do you want for the future of Colorado?
Limits on growth, a la Boulder, for the whole damn state. A very conservative approach to growth.
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the scary part is
.
that McInnis has someone following you around on your travels through cyberspace.  How else did he know to take it down ?
.
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Great job
I briefly tried a Google image search with some obvious keywords, but gave up.  

Bring back S[redacted]e H[redacted]y!
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We have a winner / loser!
Good find.  And that would explain where I've seen it - it's pretty famous.

And the McInnis team did such a good job of using Colorado images for the rest of its site, too...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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I live in Southwest Colorado
Never meant to be rude earlier, I just travel around the state and think I have seen most viewsheds.  I just knew it was not Colorado.

Schaffer must be laughing.  "Critize me at the end of my campaign will you".  

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McINNIS just took photo down
So did Schaffer
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Now it's the Flat Irons
Liberal haven  
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So the future McInnis wants...
...is Boulder, CO. I knew we were perfect :)

Tom Tancredo Interview
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They'll have to do something with their logo, too
Looks like they drew it based on the picture

http://mcinnisforcolorado.com/Portals/_default/Skins/McInnis/graphics/TitleBackground.gif

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The Lake Louise Logo
Epic
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Why does this happen?
Why do Colorado GOP campaigns hate our beautiful mountains so much?

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)
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Out-of-state ad agency + file photo of the "Rockies"?

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Same here...
I travel a lot and am a semi-pro nature photographer.  I haven't done a lot of mountain climbing, but I see a lot of pictures from others to add to my knowledge.  There are a lot of back-country sites, and some of them present very strange views of otherwise familiar mountains, so I didn't know - it certainly wasn't somewhere I'd seen myself.

I felt on firmer ground about the digital editing...  Don't know how you found a match, but good work.

Schaffer is most definitely laughing, but McInnis can at least say that no-one had time to make a high-profile ad ridiculing his choice of backdrop...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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Whereabout?
I have relatives in Cortez, and my mom spent time in Dolores growing up.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
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"What do you want for the future of Colorado?
Maybe someone who is not ashamed to be from Colorado?  Is he doing this favor for his EnCana backers?  Maybe McInnis likes the Canadian healthcare system? Guess that settles it.  Time to rename McInnis Canyon. Suggestions?  
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Just name it for the covered canyons?
You could call it Rattlesnake or Black Ridge Canyon NCA, or Colorado Canyons NCA, or just the Colorado River NCA.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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And all this fine research on mountain ranges
is why ColoradoPols is the top political blog in the state!  Good job, folks.  Now will someone please explain why it is so difficult for certain candidates to find Colorado views for their ads and websites?!!
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All those views used to be in Colorado
It's just that when a Republican uses them, we Dems move that mountain out of state. We're really clever.

Tom Tancredo Interview
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Free book (programmers only)
Hi all - I've got a free copy of my book No Bugs! for those that want it. If you're not a programmer you will find it totally uninteresting. If you are a programmer, it's a bit dated (C/C++) but the first 2 chapters are still very useful.

Both a PDF and PRC (Kindle) file.

Tom Tancredo Interview

That first bug....
..the one credited to Grace Hopper, (Hooper?) you know?  Here's a matter of a few degrees of separation.

Last summer an old neighbor (his is old, I didn't know him since he moved in after I moved out) was in his yard so I went and introduced myself.  I knew that his wife had died some months before, and he started telling me about her.

Seems that she was working in the Navy on computers way back when. He told me about finding a moth in one of them and taping it into the logbook.  About this time I'm trying to match this with what I've heard.  I asked her name, and it did not compute, to coin a phrase.  And then Dave mentioned that his wife was working with Grace Hopper.  

How about that?  

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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I was lucky to hear her speak at my college in '78
She came to the University of West Florida and told the story of the first bug, among other great anecdotes.  I remembered the bug as a cockroach (a.k.a. Palmetto bug, the official State of Florida pet ;-), but you're right, it was a moth.

I loved her story of the nanosecond (see anecdotes) -- in the mid-80's, a friend working for a supercomputer manufacturer here in Denver couldn't get his IPL boot program to work on their 16-cpu system.  A tech put an ocilliscope on the system and determined that it's timing was off.  He cut out about a foot of wire from the last CPU, and the darn thing booted right up!

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Probably used car batteries for DC power, too!
An uncle of mine was also doing computers in the Navy in the sixties. Once while vacationing with us my mother noticed some scribblings of his, all 1's and 0's.  He was using binary for his own brain so that he could "see" things like a computer.  Those were NOT the days....

Now, if I can only get my little three computer P2P to keep working reliably.  Sigh.....

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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SEC lawyer caught doing her job...
and doing her job just maybe too well.

It turns out that Genevievette Walker-Lightfoot, an attorney with the SEC, found a lot of irregularities with Madoffs firm back in "04 and wanted to persue the investigation further.  

She was directed elsewhere by her superiors, one of which later married Madoffs niece:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31...

Anyway, good on you Mrs. Walker-Lightfoot.


" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010

another rally in support of Iran tomorrow.
.
I got this email earlier today:

Dear Friends;

For information about the Friday's Rally in support of the recent popular upraising in Iran, please see the following web site;

http://freeiranco.webs.com/    and click on "Rally in Denver" button on the right corner of the screen.
or click on
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A copy of flayer is also attached.

We look forward to see you there. Also please forward this message to your friends.

Thank you.

As you are my friends, ...
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