The Latino-Alienating, Budget-Busting Arizona Copycat Bills

Shh!

For God's sake, Pols, would you please let the GOP go ahead and step on their own dicks without the warnings? Sometimes I wonder if you're trying to help them!

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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by: JeffcoBlue @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 17:02:57 PM UTC

It'll only help Dems if word gets out.

...and Republicans are so tone deaf on this that it won't matter how widely it's broadcast. They'll still think it's a winner.

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by: ajb @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 17:50:14 PM UTC

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the more things change

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by: MADCO @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 17:12:55 PM UTC

So....

You're in favor of hiring people here illegally?

Just wanted to check, because the bill says nothing about hiring legal residents, which is what you're implying with your straw-sign®.

(Yes, that's an LB original, and I'll be seeing you in court if you try to use it without my permission).

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by: Laughing Boy @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 17:48:12 PM UTC

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So you're in favor of wasting taxpayer money?

If this were to somehow pass, the feds would immediately challenge it and win. The state would spend millions defending the indefensible that could be better spent feeding poor kids, or paving roads, or guarding prisoners, or whatever.  

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by: ajb @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 17:56:26 PM UTC

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Nah.

I'm just having MADCO and other opponents of the AZ-style-law clarify that this does not have anything to do with prohibiting anyone from hiring legal residents of the U.S.

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by: Laughing Boy @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 18:35:29 PM UTC

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Sounds like more government bureacracy and red tape to me.

Kind of counter to the GOP's prevailing message, isn't it?

This is why we tend to view these bills suspiciously.

Will ArapaGOP rescind his factually incorrect assertion regarding Rep. Coram and his son?

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by: Aristotle @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 19:10:14 PM UTC

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Right...

But I want one of you to admit that this bill has absolutely nothing to do with MADCO's sign.  It does nothing to impede in any way people that are in this country legally, like the Irish were.

The two situations are in fact, incomparable.

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by: Laughing Boy @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 20:45:57 PM UTC

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I'll admit it

But it's not my post and it's not my sign.

So what did that buy you exactly?

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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by: Ralphie @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 20:50:07 PM UTC

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I'll admit it, too.

But that's besides MADCO's point, which is that it's a racist bill. Not in language, but in the way it likely will be applied.

You can argue that it's not, and I won't argue back that it is - I'm just interpreting MADCO for you. If I'm wrong, I'm sure he'll correct me...

So, can I take this as meaning that you acknowledge that this law will create bureaucracy and red tape? I'd like to see how much this is going to cost the state, coupled with something showing a) how much illegal immigration is expected to be curbed by it; and b) what effect this is supposed to have on the economy (including the cost of potential backlash - see MOTR's comment about boycotts - as well as how much more we can expect the costs of agriculture to rise as a result).

Will ArapaGOP rescind his factually incorrect assertion regarding Rep. Coram and his son?

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by: Aristotle @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 21:02:04 PM UTC

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There should be a Fiscal Note on the Leg. web site

Or several of them, since the Arizona legislation has been broken into several parts.

Eventually, anyway.  Baumgardner's bill isn't listed yet.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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by: Ralphie @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 21:08:47 PM UTC

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I have no objection to enforcing employement rules for US citizens.

I have objection to the part that says law enforcement is empowered to attempt to determine whether someone is here legally or not.  My Irish immigrant ancestors are long dead, RIP, but they were here legally and were still discriminated against.  Is it such a stretch to imagine other people, here legally, will be discriminated against?

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by: MADCO @ Wed Jan 26, 2011 at 02:40:21 AM UTC

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Has anyone proposing this

even given a half a thought to what this does to the tourism industry in this state and to our job market? I can see Colorado experiencing the same boycotts and bad publicity as AZ if this passes and as a small business owner, I cannot afford to take that kind of hit.  

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by: Middle of the Road @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 18:00:59 PM UTC

Colorado benefitted massively after SB1070

And was ranked as a top worldwide conference destination for 2010.

Do we really want to "go there", all for the sake of getting the bill(s) bottled up in the courts where it will cost the taxpayers money?

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 19:42:52 PM UTC

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It also reduces the number of new start-up companies in Colorado

Around 1/3 of high-tech start-ups are started by immigrants. And many of them are Indian. They probably won't be willing to move to a state that asks all dark skinned people for their papers.

Way to discourage new high-tech start-ups and the jobs they bring to the state.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Wed Jan 26, 2011 at 04:02:00 AM UTC

Republican sheriff tell Republican Club to build more jails.....

....if they want an Arizona type law enacted.

Tom Knight, one of the only Republicans I've ever voted for laid it on the line for his own party.

Paraphrasing, "If you want an Arizona law enacted, you must be prepared to build a much larger jail. It takes X months for us to get ICE to pick up and deport the people we get a hold on now."

As an aside why I really like this guy, the sheriff to the south is contacting property owners with homeless camps on their lands, anywhere in the world.  He tells them if they don't give him permission to clean the camp out, they will do so and then bill the owner.

When told this, Knight said, "It's a social problem, not a law problem. If an owner wants us to clean out a camp, we do it. Otherwise, let them be."  

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 03:27:13 AM UTC