Norton: "You'd Think Ken [Buck] Would Be Man Enough to Do it Himself"

The YouTube video is very weak

I just don't see real strong evidence of wrongdoing here.

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by: davebarnes @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 16:28:42 PM UTC

dit-TO.

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by: Barron X @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 16:39:45 PM UTC

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Agreed. n/t

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork

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by: Middle of the Road @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 16:51:11 PM UTC

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ColoradoPols please retract that lie.

Although your link is broken, I've seen the YouTube video and it shows no such thing. All it shows is that Walt Klein, Buck's CAMPAIGN MANAGER, made a comment about the ads coming out. This occurred after the ad buy was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. So that statement of yours is defamatory.

As far as the first part, I'm sure Norton would just love to drag Buck into the mud with her. Somehow because a 527 group runs an ad for a candidate they like that makes them shady? And saying that Buck isn't "man enough" is just disingenuous. Everybody knows she has had much more money to spend on TV ads which she raised from the D.C. lobbyist circles she is part of.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 16:28:44 PM UTC

I don't think that word means what you think it means

The OP says talks about the Buck CAMPAIGN and says that it MAY HAVE had knowledge of the ads coming out.

For it to be defamation, they would have to state something concrete, ie "Ken Buck illegally coordinated with the 527's". But they say "may have" so it's not defamation.

Second of all, they never implied that Buck himself was involved, only his campaign, so the all-caps campaign manager correction doesn't make much sense.

Finally, we all know that Norton's gasping for air. She's been on this dirty road for weeks. CPols reporting her latest move is what they are here to do, so why would you want them to stop?

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by: IndyNinja @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:34:34 PM UTC

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inconceivable...

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by: comn¢ @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 22:20:34 PM UTC

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Just don't want people to mistakenly believe it. n/t

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 22:29:09 PM UTC

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Like global warming?

You have no right to worry about what people mistakenly believe.

You're an idiot.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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by: Ralphie @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 23:54:08 PM UTC

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Global warming

is a great example of what people mistakenly believe. Thanks for bringing it up.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 02:56:10 AM UTC

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man enough

Are you saying that Norton isn't man enough?
What is your point exactly?

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by: MADCO @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 01:00:25 AM UTC

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Buck whining

Coloradopols is right!  Buck should man up and take ownership of the ad.  There have been about $2 mil in ads from three 527's run against Norton so far. In all of her ads Norton steps up and takes credit.  Buck has not taken credit for anything.  He is currently whining in his latest ad.  This is a case of the female in the race, Jane Norton, acting more manly by far than Buck.  She also took a bold stand supporting Tancredo.  Buck came out against Tancredo, until he realized the public was with Tancredo. Buck then walked it back part way.  That is like standing in the middle of the road. When a candidate tries to appease all sides, he gets support from no one. Norton is the one manning up, standing strong and tall.

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by: smart 1 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 02:24:13 AM UTC

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Norton is the one manning up, standing strong and tall.

Really? Then why is it Buck is willing to be interviewed by everyone while Norton is shielded from interviews as much as possible?

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by: DavidThi808 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 02:27:53 AM UTC

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Norton the one manning up

Norton is available to the people and the press. She has been at more open events in the last few weeks than Buck has all year. Buck is the one having to hide, because everywhere he goes, his malfeasance are following him.

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by: smart 1 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 04:54:51 AM UTC

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Smart 1, no need to lie, everyone here knows about Norton and you are not believed or believable

Norton has not been available to the people or the press.  She has not been at more events than Buck in the last few weeks or the past year.  Norton has gone from being up by 30 point to down by 16 and as a paid staffer I am sure you  are proud that you can take part of the credit for that.  

Coming on this site and lying on Norton's behalf does not help Norton.  It just reinforces that the choice of DC Lobbyist Charlie Black and the NRSC who backed Ref C has nothing to add to the political discourse except provide an example of how it can become an uncivil discourse.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 13:31:39 PM UTC

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Ok smart1 - prove it

I've ask Cinnamon & Josh multiple times for an interview with Norton. Make it happen.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 14:56:18 PM UTC

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Smart 1 - Here is another example of Norton being available to the press

This week the Daily Caller had a nice article on Buck.  They tried to contact Norton.  Here is what they wrote:

"I think Buck's success is as much a story about Jane Norton as it is about Buck," said Colorado State political science professor John Straayer. A SurveyUSA poll last month shows Buck with 53 percent, compared to Norton's 37 percent. Her campaign, which has been arguing that she's an ardent conservative too, could not be reached for comment for this story

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07...

That arrogant attitude towards the press does not help a candidate, particularly when they are behind like Norton and need some free publicity.  

Here is what Buck had to say about his attitude towards the press:

The media, he suggested, can mischaracterize his stances from time to time by taking "two words out of a three paragraph analysis and start talking about issues in very simplified terms." But he's definitely not ignoring the press.

"I have returned every phone call I have gotten to this point, and I think the upside for a candidate - a challenger like myself - is I need free media, and I need to get my name out there and my ideas out there."

Buck and Norton have treated the press differently from the begining and that is one of the reasons he is up by 16% today.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 21:17:44 PM UTC

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Smart 1

It took very little investigation to see that you produced and posted that video to YouTube under your other alias.  Now you have the audacity to come on here and spread your nonsense.  What a pathetic individual you are.  Check out the real facts idiot. Walt Klein already has answered how he found out about the information.  From the media bonehead, asking for a comment from him on the buy.  You need to do as Jane Norton suggests. Man up, even though you are a...ahem...a woman.

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by: colawman @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 02:59:29 AM UTC

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Smart 1

seems like a woman with very big, nasty balls.

Code Pink stands for really, really radically ignorant babes.

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by: marilou @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 03:31:18 AM UTC

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Hello again, paid Norton staffer who shall remain nameless

Could you please explain to me why you are besmirching the name of these good 527's? You do realize that they are called 527's because they are LEGAL organizations under section 527 of something, right? BY LAW, Buck cannot communicate with them, so why would he take credit for their content? He didn't have anything to do with them; that would be ILLEGAL.

Oh, and then you pull out the gender card? Shameless. I'm sure the general electorate is thrilled to hear that Norton is such a strong supporter of Tancredo. Talk about shooting yourself (or your candidate) in the foot.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 03:00:02 AM UTC

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Norton the one manning up

Yes, 527's are legal organizations, but they cannot associate with the candidate.  Morgensen told Buck he would give him $1mil for the Senate race. Three 527's have been funded by Morgensen.  FEC campaign finance violation charges have been filed against Buck, Morgensen, Cache Bank, and the three 527's. Buck and Morgensen have been at numerous events together. Buck should "man up" and admit who is paying for the ads.  

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by: smart 1 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 05:08:34 AM UTC

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If Norton was manning up why doesn't she say she is the person behind the FEC complaint

Norton's FEC filings indicate that she paid a law firm to draft the FEC complaint which she had one of her Owens Ref C era friends send in. Why doesn't Norton just admit the bogus charges were filed by her?
It takes a man to stand up to unfounded criticism and not hit back, when the effect of hitting back would be damage to the party.  Obviously, Penry is a girly boy, and smart 1 and Norton don't know very much about being a man.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 13:08:57 PM UTC

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Hey smart 1

back up your claims at least. Do you have a link to prove who funded the 527's?

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 17:44:12 PM UTC

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The public was with Tancredo really?

The other possibility was that Buck was thinking it was the general and wanted to act sane but then he realized that his primary voters are bat shit crazies who are 90% Birthers so he pivoted from nobody takes Tommy Terrified seriously anymore to Obama scares me more than having my right testicle gnawed off by a tea bagger.  It was really pathetic pandering.  I thought the guy was going to be someone fresh from the right who didn't have Nortons dirty laundry but alas he lapsed back into trying to please the most far right radical extremists of his party.  What a fool.

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by: Gilpin Guy @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 04:23:40 AM UTC

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Knowledge or Coordination?

Is simple knowledge illegal or knowledge with a design on coordination?

The damning part of the YouTube clip is that Buck overstates that he doesn't know about them until AFTER they come out which is just silly talk as demonstrated by Klein's comments.

But if all he does is KNOW a supportive ad is coming because, at a certain point, it is public knowledge, I don't see the problem.

Now, if he knows an ad buy is in and has specific knowledge of the content that he can coordinate with his own weekly talking points, mailings, etc, THAT is a problem.

It seems that, unless simple knowledge is illegal, convicting someone of coordination with a 527 would be very challenging. Accusing, a little simpler. But by the time any substantial action is investigated, I would think that it would be moot. This is one of the reasons why the presence of 527s is so damaging to our electoral process.

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by: LakewoodTodd @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 16:41:46 PM UTC

Are you sure about that?

Is the Norton piece REALLY a buy? (She's got less cash on hand then Buck.)  I really don't see her spending what she has on TV advertising.  She should be hitting the mail...  

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by: It's Me @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 17:31:01 PM UTC

Yes it's a fairly substantial buy

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by: RedGreen @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:33:13 PM UTC

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RG- how much did they spend?

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 13:10:55 PM UTC

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Spend is hard to say because reservations can change

They reserved $250K.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 18:12:27 PM UTC

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She only had about 350K to spend as of June 30th, she must be laying off staff then.

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 21:07:15 PM UTC

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She's raised plenty of money

in the last two weeks. She had several big fundraisers.

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by: RedGreen @ Fri Jul 16, 2010 at 01:54:43 AM UTC

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WHAT A GREAT TWO DAYS FOR DEMOCRATS

Two front page articles slamming McInnis
A front page second section article slamming Maes who is now the likely GOP Gubernatorial nominee.
An editorial slamming Maes
An editorial slamming McInnis
Norton slamming Buck and vice-versa.

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by: Say Hey Kid @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 18:39:02 PM UTC

And diaries slamming Repubs are otherwise so rare here...

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by: DavidThi808 @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 19:17:56 PM UTC

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I think they were referring to the Denver Post

...or should i say "the paper which shall not be named, cited, linked to, or thought about."

Support people, not parties. Support ideas, not ideologies.

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by: IndyNinja @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:36:42 PM UTC

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Ken Buck "does it himself", WITHOUT the negativity

Now here's an example of a classy campaign ad.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 19:29:27 PM UTC

Did you really mean

for that to be a big black rectangle, and nothing else? Very droll, Beej.

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by: RedGreen @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:32:53 PM UTC

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His video shows up and works for me.

Maybe you have a blocker on?

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork

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by: Middle of the Road @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:34:12 PM UTC

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Nah must've just not loaded right

It's there now.

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by: RedGreen @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 21:36:50 PM UTC

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I kinda thought the big black rectangle was cooler.

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by: MADCO @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 01:02:34 AM UTC

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An Effective Ad

Haven't you been wondering who paid for almost every Buck ad?  I have and I bet a lot of people have.  I like the Norton ad.  It's an inventive way to challenge Buck, call him a wimp and rasie in an interesting way an issue that people haven't really cared about before, but might now with the Supreme Court's ruling allowing unlimited corporate spending.  Howdo we know that Buck's ads aren't completely paid for by
BP?????

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by: Craig @ Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 23:37:31 PM UTC

Has Buck even run any ads yet?

(I don't have a TV.) The one I posted is just a web ad.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 03:03:21 AM UTC

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Has Buck even run any ads yet?

No. Not yet.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 05:28:29 AM UTC

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Morgensen runs the Buck Ads

Just think about it--if Jerry Morgensen donated $1 million to Buck's candidacy for 527 TV ads and mailers, then he would have spent more than every other donor COMBINED. That kind of relationship comes with many strings attached--I would say almost puppet-like.  

Putting up some lame, one-dimensional state assembly-oriented web ad is easy to do when someone else does all your dirty work for you. Ken Buck should man up and level the attacks himself.

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by: milehighpolitico @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 05:50:23 AM UTC

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MHP - the relationship may be that they are friends

OMG - a Greeley attorney who used to work for the company which Morgensen runs is a friend of the boss.  Hold the presses.  This must be the Washington insider Norton was talking about.
Norton is just a hack with a sense of entitlement who thought her brother in law gave her a Senate seat and is disappointed that he was not able to pull it off.
It would be absolutely horrible if the next senator from Colorado was friends with the president of a Colorado construction company.  I would be so much better if he be biddies with DC Lobbyists or NY Investment bankers. :)

We already know Bennet bought his win - that ability to raise more money is part of why many in our party love him. -DavidThi808
Michael Bennet - ineffective, dishonest and immoral - Democrat for US Senate  

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by: H-man @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 13:18:18 PM UTC

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Wouldn't you just love that?

But no, Buck will not stoop to take the bait.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 17:40:02 PM UTC

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BP campaign money.......that would be Obama.

During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years,

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s...

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by: colawman @ Thu Jul 15, 2010 at 03:03:27 AM UTC

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