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Petition Update

by: Dan Willis

Thu Jun 10, 2010 at 15:08:28 PM MDT


(For those of you who missed the late Friday update. Thankfully, we won't have to try to put Joe Gwissgnksangt on the Governor Line. - promoted by Colorado Pols)

As of 6/11/10 6:00pm

On ballot:
Jane Norton (R) - US Sen
Steven Barton (R) - CD1
Walker Stapleton (R) - Treas
Joel Judd (D) - SD34
Amber Tafoya (D) - HD4
Mark Mehringer (D) - HD7
David Casiano (R) - HD44

Did not make ballot:
Joe Gschwenter (R) - Gov
Mark Hurlbert (R) - SD16
Renee Blanchard (D) - SD33
Jennifer Coken (D) - HD4
Blake Harrison (D) - HD7
Raymond Keyawa (R) - HD59
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Petition Update | 51 comments
Joe G
Whenever I see Gschwendter's name I can't help but say it out loud the way he does on his website.
I don't even try
to say his name in my head when I read it.  I just save the time and skip attempting to spell it out =]
[ Parent ]
What's up Dan
No news yet? Junkies gotta get their fixes around here.
SoS has not updated their site


Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
Where is it?
I wasn't sure where to look on the SOS site.  Not that I don't trust you to keep us updated.
[ Parent ]
Here's the list
http://www.sos.state.co.us/pub...

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues
[ Parent ]
Thanks
Appreciate it.
[ Parent ]
Actually I am not online too much today
something came up

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
Coken didn't make it.
also, why is this the rule?
Tafoya turned her signatures in first. That mean if a voter signed both Tafoya and Coken's petitions the signature didn't count for Coken

[ Parent ]
It is in the law
that a person may only sign one petition for the same office. This is the mostical way to adhere to that law.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
oh, it's in statute?
Seems like an odd law to me.  I thought your signature on the petition indicated your support for that person's being on the ballot, not that you would necessarily vote for that person for the office sought.  While voting for two people for the same office is obviously contradictory, it doesn't seem contradictory to want both people on the ballot.  But, if it's the law, it's the law, I guess.
[ Parent ]
Signing a petition indicates support for the candidate
It actually says that on the petition, but very few people read what they are signing.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
Support for what?
Support for the candidate's being on the ballot or support for the candidate's being elected to the office?
[ Parent ]
Support the election of the candidate


Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
I agree that it is strange.
One would think that one would compare the petitions and assign the signing person to the petition that was signed by that person first.

This would require the SOS to withhold a final determination until all petitions in a race are counted, but since the overlaps probably aren't all that numerous wouldn't be that logistically impossible.

[ Parent ]
This was proposed
However, the argument came up that

1) if someone signed both petitions on the same date how would the SoS know who signed first.
and
2) There is alot of leeway allowed when signers write in the wrong date, so there is never a true certainty that date written was the date signed. This leeway is not in statute, it was the result of successful judicial challenges.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.

[ Parent ]
Major surprise

[ Parent ]
Norton
surpassed her signatures by about 20,000.  Go Jane!
Whoop de doo
She paid a firm to get the signatures. She didn't have enough volunteers to get the signatures on her own.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
[ Parent ]
Regardless,
she still got them, and thousands of people who will vote for her
[ Parent ]
Correction
She got thousands of people who allowed her to be on the ballot, not who will vote for her.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
[ Parent ]
In all fairness
using volunteers to get enough signatures for a statewide offic e is nearly impossible. I am not aware of anyone doing it successfully since the requirements went up to 1500 per CD.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
Dan is correct
You really can't collect that many signatures without paying for at least some signature gatherers. The general rule of thumb is to collect twice as many as required to allow for some to be thrown out - that's unrealistic to expect volunteers to do it all.
[ Parent ]
Doesn't that defeat the point of collecting signatures
which is to show that you have broad based support in Colorado? As it is any rich person can buy their way onto the ballot.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle
[ Parent ]
They still need the signatures
There is a difference in the amount of time needed to collect a page of signatures for a petition and the amount of time it takes to sign the petition.

A lot of people might have enough time to sign a petition; not a lot of volunteers have enough time to take off from work to collect the required signatures.  Related to the other diary, I don't think it's unreasonable for the state to require petitioners to be paid an hourly or salary wage instead of per-signature, or to require paid gatherers to be in-state residents, or that gatherers not mis-represent their petition subject; so long as it's fair, increasing democracy is generally a Good Thing, double if it comes to candidate ballot access.

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden

[ Parent ]
Jennifer Coken did not make it
Shouldn't this be on Denver Pols?
Aren't there some petitioners in suburban and out-state areas?
Suburban allowed, out-of-state not
The circulator does not have to live in the same district as the candidate, but they do have to be registered to vote in the state prior to collecting signatures.

It is legal for circulators to move from state to state and continually change their registration as needed to be in the right place and right party in time to circul;ate any given petition. There are people who do this for a living and just roam the country updating their registration several times a year.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.

[ Parent ]
I meant candidates who are petitioning. . .
Not the petitioners themselves. Are there no HD or SD candidates who are petitioning onto the ballot from outside of Denver?
[ Parent ]
Hurlbert is on the list
and is not from Denver.

Dan's list is comprehensive. Most of the legislative petitioners are from Denver, but that doesn't mean this diary isn't of statewide interest.

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues

[ Parent ]
Coken
Dan, do you think that Jennifer Coken has any grounds to challenge not being placed on the ballot?  I wonder if she can afford Marc Grueskin?
[ Parent ]
Walker Stapleton made the ballot

interesting
Joe Gscwendler came close and had over 10,200 valid signatures on a couple of hundred short.
Mark Hurlbert did not make the State Senate ballot so that seat should stay in Democratic hands
Thanks for the news
From what I understand Hurlbert is a decent guy, and while I am a strong supporter of Jeanne Nicholson's, I have to be at least sympathetic to his loss to the Tea Bag Revolution.

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden
[ Parent ]
It's also time to update the Big Line
Degette has a challenger in CO-01 in Steve Barton, who made his signature requirements.

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden
[ Parent ]
That's right
her chances have changed from even money to ... even money.

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues
[ Parent ]
Steve Barton rocks
really really cool guy - good luck to him

TABOR4LIFE
[ Parent ]
Ali, there's being a good Republican...
and then there's entering cloud cuckoo land. DeGette could have a baby with Karl Rove and she would still get re-elected.

No trees were destroyed in the posting of this comment. But a large number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.
[ Parent ]
Details ?
.
I didn't even know she was pregnant.
.
[ Parent ]
Mark Hurlbert didn't make it which is a surprise to me.
I thought he had something like 1200 signatures and only needed a thousand.  He was supposed to be the odds on favorite against Jeanne Nicholson for SD16.  Summit County is now a toss up.  This should be a good race.
He only had 394 valid signatures
Obviously did not have much time to train circulators.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
[ Parent ]
I can only speculate (no inside info) as to whether the Repub District Assembly could have had
a different outcome with more preparation by the DA.  With what's going on inside the Repub Party, perhaps the DA never had a chance (against the right wing of the right wing Party).  It appears that Leonard had the whole thing (at the Assembly) fully planned, and not only caught the DA off-guard but apparently led to one or more Summit delegates voting against their own.  

I trust that the Dem candidate is not assuming it's her race, just because the Repub is an extreme conservative.  He is in no way incompetent, Repubs will vote for him, and he may well find ways to appeal to many unaffiliateds.  

[ Parent ]
Doubt she'll coast
Commissioner Nicholson is a pretty thorough person when it comes to campaigns in my experience.

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden
[ Parent ]
She'll have a battle on her hands.
And part of it is financial - large divide right now between the Leonard and Nicholson campaigns - cash on hand $56,789 vs. $9,316 per the June 1st report.
[ Parent ]
That's got to change.
No secret that the Republicans want the seat; they'll donate big to Leonard if they think they can nab it.

"There's a Romney Rule. The Romney Rule says, let's double down on the tax cuts for the wealthy." -- VP Joe Biden
[ Parent ]
With Hurlbert on the sidelines
Dan Gibbs should be able to help campaign for Nicholson in Summit County.  She now has a legitimate shot at winning Summit with Gibbs help.  If they vote for Gibbs for Summit commissioner it will be easier for them to vote for Nicholson.  If she wins Boulder, Gilpin, Clear Creek and Summit she will win the seat.
[ Parent ]
It's my understanding that western Jeffco (in SD16)
has about 40 percent of the total votes in the District.  I don't think we can ignore the importance of Jeffco voters for Dems keeping this seat, even though Leonard lives in Jeffco.
[ Parent ]
You are right realist
Nicholson does need to be competitive in Jeffco.  This is going to be an interesting race to watch to see how Tea Party extremism fares in races with proven and experienced leaders in local government as an opponent.  How well will pragmatism and competence stack up against ideological extremism.  Who wins?
[ Parent ]
Challenges
One thing that has not been mentioned here is that candidates or their opponents can file chasllenges to the SoS's sufficiency/insufficientcy statements.

Given how many signatures the SoS needed to check in a short period of time, it is only safe to assume there were mistakes made along the way.

Anyone 100 signatures or so one way or the other would be wise to explore this option.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.

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