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Scozzafava's First Casualty: Jane Norton?

by: Colorado Pols

Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 16:25:04 PM MST


Interesting press release just came across from the Colorado Democratic Party:

SENATE REPUBLICANS DROP SUPPORT FOR JANE NORTON
GOP Can't Count on DC Money

DENVER - Speaking about the upcoming 2010 Senate elections, National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Senator John Cornyn pledged that the committee would not spend a cent in a contested Republican Senate primary, in an effort to "ease some of the anger being directed at the party establishment."

"We will not spend money in a contested primary. There's no incentive for us to weigh in. We have to look at our resources. . . . We're not going to throw money into a [primary] race leading up to the election," said Senator Cornyn.

"It's obvious that the GOP is having not just identity problems but fundraising problems," stated Colorado Democratic Party Chair Pat Waak. "When Norton got into this primary race she assumed she would have the backing of the GOP establishment - whether she asked for it or not. Looks like now she will have to rely on bake sales and car washes to get the funding she needs to compete."

The comments from NRSC chairman Sen. John Cornyn come from an ABC story today, evaluating where Republicans stand after yesterday's failed right-wing coup in New York:

With Republicans grappling with the fallout of an intra-party battle that may have cost them a House seat, the head of the Senate Republican campaign effort is making a pledge that may ease some of the anger being directed at the party establishment.

"We will not spend money in a contested primary," Sen. John Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, told ABC News in a telephone interview today.

"There's no incentive for us to weigh in," said Cornyn, R-Texas. "We have to look at our resources. . . . We're not going to throw money into a [primary] race leading up to the election."

..."The first lesson is that competitive primaries are generally a good thing," Cornyn said. "To me, that's the overarching lesson to be learned out of the 23rd. When 11 people get behind closed doors and pick the nominee ... the grassroots are going to find an alternative."

Frankly, we're not sure we buy either Cornyn's or Colorado Democratic Party chair Pat Waak's spin here. There's very little doubt that Norton was indeed promised the short track to the nomination, which enraged the GOP base in Colorado. There's a pretty compelling argument today that the GOP leadership is badly misreading this core base of support--to be strongly considered lest they create many more Dede Scozzafavas.

But if Waak seriously believes Jane "The Puppet" Norton is going to be relying on bake sales to raise funds--or if anybody seriously believes that Cornyn can't funnel support to Norton six ways from Sunday, with or without a formal "endorsement"--well, that's just touchingly naive.

And honestly, after every hard-right luminary in America descended on NY-23 to get their favored candidate elected, and failed, would you tell Cornyn to do what they say?
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Scozzafava's First Casualty: Jane Norton? | 64 comments
I predicted that this would happen the other day....
...especially given Jane Norton's track record of being associated with RINOs like John McCain and Bill Owens (not the Congressman-elect), as well as RINO causes liked Referendum C & D.
  Jane will face a fierce challenge from the base.  Tom Tancredo has already served notice that she is unacceptable to his people.
Tancredo's people?
Italians?
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Immigrants building his basement?


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie
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the Executive Committee of the Know Nothing Party

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Norton's other big problem
is she is a woman in a party that hates women.  How can any hard beer drinking rabid Republican vote for someone who menstruates?

And Republicans want women to trust their bodies to them.

Perhaps the big lesson from 23 is that women politicians will wake up to the fact that they are always going to get screwed by the rabid right.  Norton should be seeing little red warning flags regarding her campaign.  There are going to be a lot of nut-jobs who won't accept her candidacy no matter how right wing and rigid her politics.  So can we expect a rancorous insurgency in Colorado if she is the nominee?

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What Republican Senate primary races does this affect, besides ours?


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie
Florida
Rubio v, Crist
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Thanks, Danny.
I think we can safely predict which candidate they will be funneling money to in that race.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie
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And so it comes to pass
The daily election update on dKos notes that the Club For Growth (of the Democratic Majority) is gearing up to go after Crist.

Crist, in turn, has apparently decided he's in trouble - he stated on CNN that he never supported the stimulus package, after having appeared at a rally with Barack Obama supporting the stimulus package.  (quotes at Political Wire.

Sorry, Charlie - you might lose this race after all.  And the CFG will once again be responsible for the election of a Democrat in Republican-friendly territory.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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Oh man, I read that, too (the stimulus denial.)
I cannot believe he's even attempting to walk back on that considering how on the record he is for it.

Phoenix, who's the Dem running for that seat?  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

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who's the Dem running for that seat?
   U.S. Rep Kenderick Meeks who is given an outside of beating Rubio in the general election, but no chance against "Closet Case" Crist.
  We're gonna have to count of Club for Growth, Sarah Palin and the proprietor of the "Green Iguana" to help place this race in the competitive column.
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Hey, thank you!!
I really appreciate the info, OQD.

Quick question, is Meeks leaving a safe Dem seat to run?  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

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Very safe...
he replaced him Mom Carrie Meek when she retired.  

It is safe at least until redistricting and then all bets are off.  That may be why he's taking a stab at the Senate seat now...

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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Ah, that makes sense.
Timing is everything in politics.

Thanks for that additional info. I don't much about this race but it holds great interest for me.

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

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I guess Norton will have to depend on the rolodex she built as a lobbyist

and her brother in law's rolodex

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The nutjob right thinks they won in NY-23
so yeah, nothing's gonna stop them now.

Bring back S[redacted]e H[redacted]y!
but they didn't they enjoy a symbolic victory?
Apparently the right wingnuts decided the R was no better than the D.  So, at no cost to them, they brought down the R in order to punish moderation among R's.  They showed their power in order to scare other moderates R's, and it might work!
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Could it work in Colorado?

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it's working in Illinois
...where Mark Kirk, the RINO running for Obama's old Senate seat, is reportedly trying to get Sarah Palin's endorsement!
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thank you both for looking past ..
...my excess they's
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At no cost to them?
They lost the entire election. Scozzafava was a vote for John Boehner as Speaker, while Owens is a vote for Pelosi.

I don't recall Ned Lamont's loss in the general election being considered a symbolic victory for liberals.

Bring back S[redacted]e H[redacted]y!

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That's because liberals got no game at spin
Anyway, if they, THEY, thought the R was the same as the D, and THEY didn't find the House ready to flip soon, how did the election cost them?  Them being the right wingnuts.
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They should hire Michelle Malkin


"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)
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The D
Is to the right of the fake R that was running.  And we lost be 3 points, and we'll get the seat back in two years. And we got rid of an EFCA-supporting goof.

Sounds like a win to me.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke

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It's a win
if you consider that in the interim the D will cast a vote for historic legislation to provide health care to all the people that would otherwise be screwed by Republicans.

It looks like a win for Obama and the country to me even if Owens loses in 2010.  Talk about Republicans garroting themselves and then bragging about what wonderful zombies they are.  

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Owens...
...isn't in the Senate.  That's where that turd of a bill will die.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke

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Not if 'ol Harry Reid has something to do about it...
because you don't mess with Harr...

Oh, never fucking mind. (Fidel throws hands up in the air)

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010

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Rule 11
They did it with Schaffer and RNC chair Michael Steele just invoked Rule 11 as proof the GOP doesn't play in primaries in his post-election press conference.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/...

At the 14 minute mark.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

Now wait a second...
Erik Erickson from RedState said that yesterday's race in NY23 was, "a huge win for conservatives."
http://www.redstate.com/erick/...

I think we should encourage Cornyn and the tea-baggers to continue their passion play through 2010.

Do we have any "third" parties in CO?

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yeah.....BarronX has been plugging the American Constitution Party for some time
   Now all we have to do is get A.C.P. candidates running in legislative districts where there are squishly moderate Repubs (admittedly, there are very few left) like Al White, Ken Kester and Ellen Roberts, and get the wingnuts to turn on the GOP candidates, leaving the Dem to face the A.C.P. candidate alone.  
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But- and I could be wrong- the ACP has like 350 members.
Statewide.

Not sure I'd count them as a third party.
Do they caucus?

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Not far off
1,233 active registered voters last month. About half that many inactive.
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Do they caucus or put candidates on the ballot?

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ask Barron-X.....he was their nominee in CD 5 last year

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American Constitution Party has an open Convention
.
The Colorado affiliate of the national Constitution Party.
No caucuses.  We hold a convention each year in July in Arvada.  2008 & 2009 Conventions were in the public library there.

If you register as a party member 30 days ahead of the Convention with your county clerk, and I think you have to be paid up on your dues, then you can vote at the Convention for statewide candidates and for candidates for offices for districts that your home falls in.  I think you have to be paid up to be a candidate, as well.  
I think there are fewer than 500 dues-paying members.  Dues are about $30.  It costs nothing to change party affiliation with your county clerk.  

In 2008, there were statewide, US Congressional, State House and Senate, and even a few county offices for which the Convention selected nominees.  

Fewer than 100 party members show up, so if you and about 80 of your closest friends want to register, pay dues and attend the Convention, you might be able to hijack the Convention and become the nominee for whatever office you choose.  Reminiscent of Dan Slater attempting to hijack the Democratic CD-5 Convention in Greeley in 2006 to prevent delegates from having any say.
If you're an actual conservative, you might not have to bring any friends with you, and simply win by way of your debating and public speaking skillz.
I'll let you know when I get more specifics on the 2010 Convention.  

While ACP may have more members, Libertarians got more votes in 2008. ACP was around 2.8 to 3% across the state; Libertarians got as many as 5% in some places.
.

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$30?!
Way, way too much to join a party.

If I can't register for free, or even get comped in some way, it's the wrong party for me.

And I wouldn't need to bring a crowd - I could sell hard conservative if I had to.
And I would only wanna be a nominee if Sarah Palin would do things for me....endorse. I meant endorse.

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Kester is, sadly, term-limited.

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Yoohoo, Laughing Boy!
Is this turn of events working for you, sweetie? You were really into the Scozzafava purge thing, weren't you?

I'm especially interested in hearing what you think of your precious Jane Norton - as Scozzafava! The base is rising, isn't it? Isn't it?

Repeat after me: "I have never supported Dan Maes.  I have always supported [Dick Wadhams to fill in the blank]." --ClubTwitty

?
An unknown independent almost beat your well-funded D that had to run to the right of the R to get elected.

Are you seriously as miserable and angry as your posts?  I can't really believe that you are.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke

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For you.
Mwah!



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke

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Proof that Wiens may be the real contender here?
Who knows really why anyone does anything in this crazy political game, but it's interesting that the Dems release this just ahead of a Tom Wiens for Senate announcement.

Can't tell who is more afraid of Wiens being the real contender the Dems or the GOP establishment.

Thoughts to ponder...

Ryan Frazer may be kicking himself right now
This primary remains wide open.

Interesting tidbit - I saw my first '10 bumper-sticker on a car today - and it was for Ken Buck.

Tom Tancredo Interview

Was Ken driving ?

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First casualty? No...
First casualty will likely be Crist in Florida.  I'd also watch Fiorina in California and Kirk in Illinois.

Norton may well be among the casualties but she is more acceptable to the wing-nuts than social moderates like the ones mentioned above, so is likely not to be as high on their list of targets...

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

Fiorina bumper sticker
I'll do for CA
what I did for HP

Never assume "shill" when "idiot" is available as an explanation. [h/t Ralphie]
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You're comparing Norton to Scozzafava?
You know, I would love to see a Dem run to the right of Norton, just like the NY Bill Owens was to the right of Scozzafava.  The comparison itself is completely nuts.  There is no way that a Jane Norton candidacy would inspire a Republican to make a third party run in this state.  If Norton makes it through the primary process then she will have the support of the Republicans in the state.  
Now if she was appointed to the position without any input from the voters, but we don't have anyone like that running....oh, wait!

Proudly being investigated by Nancy Pelosi!
You forget
she wears skirts from time to time which automatically makes her suspect to her base.

Female Republican politicians can be as rabid as Palin but will always come with an asterisk as far as their party is concerned.  Latinos and blacks are in the same boat.  Republicans stand for white male dominance.  Always have and always will.  It is the pup tent of politics.

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Republicans stand for white male dominance
correction:  Republicans stand for white, presumptively heterosexual, male dominace
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Your correction is duly noted
oh queer one.

I'm glad we got this male dominance issue straightened out.

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Our "comparison"
Is based on the negative reaction of the conservative base in both races, which was, like it or not, similar enough to note. There are all kinds of reasons why the outcome might not be the same here, as we said above. For one thing, the "base's" candidate lost. And obviously we at least have the affectations of a primary here.

Props for the clever punchline, though. Doesn't Bennet have a primary election coming too?

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So are you saying that Bennet's appointment
was in any way illegal?  He was appointed by a Governor who was elected by all the voters in the state of Colorado to make just such appointments and he won by a double digit margin over an incompetent Republican Congressman.  Also Bennet is facing a primary challenge by a popular and extremely competent former Majority Leader from the state house so if he wins his primary than he will have won the support of the Democratic base.  How is that in any way elitist geekboy?

Oh and there is the whole side story of his PhD in Education and being appointed to Ted Kennedy's seat on the Senate Education Committee because of his expertise in education.  If you think that having someone in the Senate who isn't a lawyer working for corporations and has expertise in his committee assignments is terrible for the state of Colorado then you must be a Republican.

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Broad strokes
GG, the thrust of your argument is sound, but you sure get confounded with the details. Romanoff is a former speaker of the House, and Bennet doesn't have a "PhD in Education," he has a law degree.  
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is "lawyer working for corporations " anything like
.
"lawyer working for Anschutz ?"
.
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He wasn't
Anschutz's butler!

I believe Bennet did, in fact, work for the Anschutz Investment Company, which is, technically, an LLC, not a corporation, though it is a holding company for corporations.

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If Bennet is nothing but a lawyer working for the corporations
then I hope Romanoff wins the primary.

If Bennet is the big school district superintendent who understands what is needed to educate the next generation in their transition to a post hydro-carbon but sustainable standard of living then I can support him as the Democratic standard bearer.  He has time to define his positions by his votes which is evaluating a politician by what they are doing not where they have been.

Either candidate looks more appealing in these times than an ex-lobbyist with an obsession about abortion.

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So basically I screwed up all the facts
My bad and my apologies.  Note to self, do more research before spouting off.
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or..
be really, really funny.

Or both.

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But how come
they refer to Penry as the Minority Leader?  Can't a person be the Speaker and the Majority Leader?  Just asking.
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Those are
distinct, actual titles.
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So the Majority Leader and the Speaker
can be different people which I assume was the case with Romanoff?
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The majority picks the Speaker.
Except for once, in a different state.

Madden was Majority Leader while Romanoff was Speaker.

Romanoff was Minority Leader the term before the Dems became the majority.

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson

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Right
The majority and minority leaders organize their respective caucuses. The speaker runs the whole House and is a constitutional office.
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