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August 18, 2017 12:08 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“If you aren’t proud of what you’re doing, why should anybody else be?”

–Richard Branson


29 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. Look, over there in Spain, a terrorist attack that killed 14. 

    Why has our media stopped talking about the scary statues of Confederate generals who want to kill millions? Stop the statues from killing Americans!

    1. How long do you think it will be before a domestic terrorist, perhaps one of the Aryan Brotherhood, emulates ISIS again? (As the terrorist did in Charlottesville).

      When will you admit that your president is making us less safe?

      The mayors of Baltimore and New Orleans, by taking down the Cofederate monuments, are depriving the racists of a rallying point.  They would deny the "alt-right" the opportunity to destroy their cities.

      If you like those statues so much, what you would have to do is to calm the rhetoric, rather than attempt to inflame it. Condemn the neoNazis and the Proudboys and the KKK and the other riffraff – they would hear it from social "conservatives" such as yourself. Or they'd just call you a cuck, too.

      My solution would be to take all of these statues off of public land. Let zealots such as yourself pay for their upkeep and protection. The South lost the war. No other country keeps celebrating the losers in civil war.

      1. That's different, M.J. In the eyes of our RWNJ, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were white, christian conservatives who took their anti-big government views a little too far.

      2. You mean like the Bernie assassin. If the guy had been any kind of marksman there would have been 26 dead Republicans and two Capital Police. The Alt-Left secretly praised the attact but issued phony condemnation. Just like Van Jones and his tear. Democrats are great for crying when the red light of the camera comes on.

        Our President isn't making us less safe, it's the Left that want's to fight. It generally hard to start a fight if there isn't anyone who gives a crap about fighting. I take that back, your friends at Berkeley and every other so called institution of liberal indoctrinatio, they don't need an opponent, they just burn up cars and set fire to buildings.

        I don't feel threatened from any statue, if you want to be then go for it, I'm sure you will find many more things to be frightened of. What about the Eclipse, now there is something to be frightened about. Trump is trying to blot out the sun to stop global warming. See it's so easy to frighten you people.

        1. Pitiful Pair — again you project your fearful worldview upon others.  Disgust and dismay is not fear, and wanting to stand up to hate and bigotry is not cowering in fear.

          I'd think at your age, you would get that.  Apparently not.

          1. When you get disgusted or are in dismay, do you put on your black mask, get your ball bat and mace, and stand up to hate and bigotry? Doubtful you do, most don't. A person of any age would know that.

            1. Just for PP:

              "President Trump doesn't understand the character of the United States…..the president hasn't shown stability or competence since reaching the Oval Office."

              Senator Bob Corker (R-TN), Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

        2. Wow, Pfruit, you've almost certainly broke Moderatus's August string of "Most Ignorant Poster of Day" awards with that muddle-headed diarrhetic screed . . .

          ( . . . I would have given it to you for that first one, too.  I see now you were just warming up.)

          . . . Enjoy the dishonor, Bartlett. You’ve worked hard to earn it!

        1. Thanks for the article, cook. I'd let all those memorials sit right where they are in Colorado. Four of them are in Colorado, and are in cemeteries where Confederate soldiers are buried. Let them have their headstone. The dead don't care, and it comforts the living. 

          Riverside is Colorado's oldest cemetery, and is already facing turmoil from urbanization.  Fairmont does have a flagpole and a bench, but they fly the United States flag, not the Confederate one.

          Beulah has a perfectly legitimate historical connections to the civil war. Aspen memorializes the soldiers who fought on both sides.  So even though those memorials are on public property, they're just "explaining" historical tablets, rather than "glorifying, nostalgic" memorials.

          I've taught American literature for a number of years. You have to be able to tell the story from multiple points of view – the Union soldier, the Confederate soldier, slaves, civilians of all kinds.  That is in fact one of the Common Core standards which gets everyone's panties twisted. This idea that there may be more than one true story about a critical historical event is a controversial idea.

          The Civil War inspired much great literature. One of my favorite poets of the era was Walt Whitman. Here's a verse from his poem, When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed.

          I saw battle-corpses, myriads of them,

          And the white skeletons of young men, I saw them,

          I saw the debris and debris of all the slain soldiers of the war,

          But I saw they were not as was thought,

          They themselves were fully at rest, they suffer’d not,

          The living remain’d and suffer’d, the mother suffer’d,

          And the wife and the child and the musing comrade suffer’d,

          And the armies that remain’d suffer’d.

          And I would add that the country suffers when we cannot put the war to rest…when our leaders insist on inflaming those passions and prejudices, only for their own political gain.

  2. We don't need to look to Spain to see a terrorist drive a car into a crowd.  We had a terrorist do the very same thing in Virginia, killing one woman and injuring 19 other victims.  Our president responded by assigning equal blame to the Nazis who inspired the attack and the innocent victims who opposed the Nazis.

    The Trump sadministration continues to unravel.  The checks and balances in our constitution provide an almost perfect protection against a would be tyrant.  But we are paralyzed by something the founding fathers never foresaw:  an assault upon our basic ideals led by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    More than ever, Trump stinks.

    Stay upwind, America.  This too shall pass.


      1. Here are a few of the key quotes from that article:

        Those of us who supported Mr. Trump were never so naïve as to expect that he would transform himself into a model of presidential decorum upon taking office. But our calculation was that a few cringe-inducing tweets were an acceptable trade-off for a successful governing agenda.

        Yet after more than 200 days in office, Mr. Trump’s behavior grows only more reprehensible. Meanwhile, his administration has no significant legislative accomplishments — and no apparent plan to deliver any.

        Many senior-level appointees are still not in place, including the assistant secretaries of state, for example. And too many of those who are in office appear to be petty, clueless, and rather repulsive ideologues

        Effectively a third-party president without a party, Mr. Trump has faced extraordinary resistance from the media, the bureaucracy and even within the Republican Party. But the administration has committed too many unforced errors and deserves most of the blame for its failures. Far from making the transformative “deals” he promised voters, his only talent appears to be creating grotesque media frenzies — just as all his critics said.

      1. Wow!  I am very surprised and impressed that James Murdoch said this publicly in rebuking Trump:

        “These events remind us all why vigilance against hate and bigotry is an eternal obligation — a necessary discipline for the preservation of our way of life and our ideals. The presence of hate in our society was appallingly laid bare as we watched swastikas brandished on the streets of Charlottesville and acts of brutal terrorism and violence perpetrated by a racist mob. I can’t even believe I have to write this: standing up to Nazis is essential; there are no good Nazis. Or Klansmen, or terrorists. Democrats, Republicans, and others must all agree on this, and it compromises nothing for them to do so.”

  3. Something (actually many things) bothered me about DT’s tweetstorm earlier this week:

    “You can’t change history, but you can learn from it,” he tweeted. “Robert E. Lee. Stonewall Jackson — who’s next, Washington, Jefferson? So foolish. …

    “Also the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!”

    “Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments,” he tweeted.

    Today, while mowing the lawn, it hit me . . .

    Anyone care to take a bet that President GoodBrain doesn’t think that Stonewall Jackson and Andrew Jackson are the same person??? . . .

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