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December 05, 2016 06:37 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Both read the Bible day and night, but thou read black where I read white.”

–William Blake


33 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. You have to highlight their lies every chance you get. It's nearly impossible, because they are likely to say any damned thing to justify whatever horrible policy they are promoting today. But every lie, every "the press are liars" "they are horrible" "they are corrupt" is heard, and people like Andrew Carnegie believe it.

    Not only is it not “just a lie” at this point, Trump’s lies are an attempt to discredit the media’s reporting on Trump U and his other corruptions.

    FRANK SESNO: Well, I’m not prepared to fully brand him an authoritarian yet, but he certainly is sounding that way. But I think that the point that I was making in that piece — and I think that everybody really needs to think about — is, the media have had throughout our history an adversarial relationship with the president and people in power. That’s our job, that’s your job. And the people in power don’t like it and they have an adversarial relationship back. That’s part of the quid pro quo, that’s what I call, that’s the price of admission to power. The presidents typically win some points back when they throw a little self-deprecating humor their own way. They understand that the media’s job is to give them a hard time, to hold power to account, and late-night shows makes fun of him. If Donald Trump is this thin-skinned now, wait until he’s in the office, because it’s not only going to be the American media, it’s going to be media around the world and every political opponent and every comedian out there. So, I think this is a scary thing actually, if you’ve got somebody who really believes that people who are doing their jobs as adversaries are actually enemies and, not only feels that way himself — after all, Richard Nixon had an enemies list — but is engaging and enlisting the public to believe that as well.


    STELTER: I talk to international correspondents who will say to you, this is exactly what authoritarians do. This is what strongmen do. This is what happens in authoritarian regimes. I think we need to start using those words on TV, at least to discuss the possibilities before us.

    The media not standing up for their basic reporting is the same as Democrats not standing up for Obamacare.

    And we now live in The Fox News/Hate Radio/Trump Twitterverse until this damned fool starts WWIII or he gets removed by his own Republican Party*:

    Jesus fucking Christ, @realDonaldTrump. You are the president-elect. Pick your fucking battles, man. You're embarrassing yourself.

    (I would've capitalized "fucking" on that one.)

     * – though the temptation will be great, especially for those who love the idea of breaking bipartisanshippy-like bread with Republicans, Democrats should not help with any preliminary votes on Trump's impeachment. Republicans created him, they'll have to destroy him. Then we can vote for his removal in Mitch McConnell's Senate.

  2. Michael: I tried to thank you yesterday afternoon for clarifying "per capita." But the Reply button was not working for me, and still isn't this morning.

    1. Just a heads up for future reference, CHB.

      Our good friend Michael is probably the least likely poster here to present unverified or misleading information. We have known him a very long time and this forum is a hotbed of support for the "Bowman for Governor" campaign.( winkSorry, Michael, I had to do it.)

      I personally will work my heart out to get him elected, should he ever decide to make that sacrifice.

      But, to the point, you can pretty much rest assured that Fluffy, PissAnt, and PP would post numbers that would mislead, but certainly not Michael.

      1. smiley

        I try to keep my posts factual and verifiable – a never-ending crusade in our new world of fake news.  I chalk it up to the fact that I live at ground zero of the secession movement and am generally the only non-FauxNews groupie at a family dinner.  They keep me sharp! Civi did catch me posting the Joe Wilson  'You're lie!' referencing it is a SOTU event and not a 'Joint Session of Congress'.  Still waiting for our Librarian to recant his posting of Trumps tweet announcing all of the Ford jobs he personally saved in Kentucky. 

          1. It was the first posting on a weekday thread a couple of weeks ago.  You had some remark like 'Cool'…accompanying a picture of Trump's tweet announcing all the jobs he saved in Kentucky.  Is that enough info for you to find it?  Or shall I locate it for you and provide you the link? 

            1. I choose to post under my own name; that's one of the many things I’ve appreciated about you, Duke.  We're accountable for what we write and we own it, warts and all.  Doing so has given me both new friends and real enemies. I don’t get the advantage of walking in to the local restaurant or attending a Church service without anyone (who wants to) knowing my position on political issues. If I take on my state Senator or my local watermelon farmer, they know where its coming from.

              Anonymity, though, in particular our resident trolls and their brethren that lurk in the darkest corners of our inter webs, is breeding a culture that is moving this country backward. We risk becoming less human each time we interact with faceless bots like AC and Fluffy.

              I consider most all on here friends, good ones, and it would probably surprise our Librarian that I don't know who a handful of them are even though I communicate with them on a near-daily basis (some of them for years).  I understand and accept that many here can't post as themselves for good reason.  I don't have an issue with anonymity when its activity has some basis, sometimes ever-so-slight, that advances mutual understanding – a phenomenon nearly extinct in today's world.

              The disdain I feel for Andrew is a disdain for his caricature; that's all he gives us. The human AC may be a brave man or he may be just another chickenshit. It’s easier to be brave or support a controversial candidate, policy or position when you don’t have to own words. We have no idea whether there is any personal moral compass attached to his mirage.   

              Frauds like his caricature (given he’s using the name of a man who would have eschewed the kind of man we just elected) come and go and are a dime a dozen.  They only exist to agitate.

    2. I broke it – the weekend thread, that is. I posted an embedded video , "Democratic Boot Camp". It wouldn't play, covered up the reply button, and it all went south from there. At least, that's when the reply buttons stopped working on that thread.  That'll learn me – if at first a video won't play, best just leave it the hell alone. Sorry, folks.

      1. MamaJ – you may know this already but if not, here's a lesson: when embedding a video from YouTube I generally hit the 'Show More' after 'Embed'.  It will give you the ability to do a custom setting for size of the embed.  If you use a width that doesn't exceed '520' (it will auto fill for height) it will always work.  If you're deep into a thread and the box is more narrow, I sometimes go down to a 400-420.  

  3. Did we talk about this yet?

    State Senate Republicans form select committee to talk "facts" on energy policy

    Colorado Senate Republicans are forming a select legislative committee to discuss energy and environmental issues in-depth with the goal of educating the public and fellow legislators.

    How wonderfully helpful!  A focus on educating people about energy and the environment.  Probably chock-full of facts and such.

    [Committee Chair Ray] Scott first spoke of the committee at an American Petroleum Industry lunch in Denver Tuesday.


    [State senator John] Cooke said it is important to support Colorado's energy industry, one of the state's top economic drivers, while protecting "natural places that make Colorado special."

    "Reliable and affordable energy are too important to Colorado's energy consumers and business climate to not keep every option on the table, including coal, oil and gas, renewables and maybe even nuclear," he said. "It's time we put Colorado energy consumers first again, by adopting energy policies guided by practical reality, not extreme ideology."

    Ah, there it is.

    1. He means this kind of energy, right?  (I realize Moddy/PP don't believe it's actually energy if it isn't derived from dinosaur dung).  We have enough wind and solar resources in this state to power it something to the tune of 25x over.  Christ.  Could we just move on to the 21st-century? 

      Clean-Energy Jobs Surpass Drilling for First Time in U.S.

      The number of U.S. jobs in solar energy overtook those in oil and natural gas extraction for the first time last year, helping drive a global surge in employment in the clean-energy business as fossil-fuel companies faltered.

      Employment in the U.S. solar business grew 12 times faster than overall job creation, the International Renewable Energy Agency said in a report on Wednesday. About 8.1 million people worldwide had jobs in the clean energy in 2015, up from 7.7 million in 2014, according to the industry group based in Abu Dhabi.

      1. It seems that Al Gore had the same idea – appeal to Trump's business instincts because renewables are booming and fossils are dying. It seems that they had an "interesting" conversation. A hopeful sign for those of us starved for hopeful signs. And, Michael that works to downsize the video via the youtube menu before trying to embed.


      1. Because nuclear energy is environmentally benign and cheap? Nothing else to see here.  Move along.

        Cost of Fukushima disaster expected to soar to ¥20 trillion

        The overall cost of wrapping up the Fukushima nuclear disaster is now estimated at more than ¥20 trillion, nearly double the previous estimate, sources familiar with the matter said Monday.

        If it wasn't for the US taxpayer effectively immunizing the industry from the costs of such a disaster here they'd never see the light of day.  



  4. Jesus Christ on a cracker…

    Look for the lady in the black pantsuit to be back on TeeVee soon pitching for API. …

    energy policies guided by practical reality, not extreme ideology."

    and, just for the uninitiated, "practical reality" is a synonym for "industry profits"…and "extreme ideology" is otherwise known as "your (the publics') health and well being".

    Fascism has come to America….


    1. How about energy policies driven by 'math'? The kind that assures we have a livable planet for future generations and jobs today? Not the kind that leaves us with a barren landscape and a handful of billionaires? 

  5. Jesus Christ on a cracker…

    Look for the lady in the black pantsuit to be back on TeeVee soon pitching for API. …

    energy consumers first again, by energy policies guided by practical reality, not extreme ideology."

    and, just for the uninitiated, "practical reality" is a synonym for "industry profits"…and "extreme ideology" is otherwise known as "your (the publics') health and well being"….oh, and that part about energy consumers.?…that should say "energy companies"…because that is what he really means,

    Fascism has come to America….


    oops..sorry for the double post….

  6. Countdown to #TrumpWorld: will Attorney General Jefferson Beauregarde Sessions III roll back the progress made on ending our spectacularly-failed #WarOnDrugs? (the "You're doing it the right way" conversation between Trump and Duterte notwithstanding)?  

    As a U.S. Attorney in Alabama in the 1980s, Sessions said he thought the KKK "were OK until I found out they smoked pot.” In April, he said, “Good people don't smoke marijuana,” and that it was a "very real danger" that is “not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized.” Sessions, who turns 70 on Christmas Eve, has called marijuana reform a "tragic mistake" and criticized FBI Director James Comey and Attorneys General Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch for not vigorously enforcing a the federal prohibition that President Obama has called “untenable over the long term.

    Without the passage of The Industrial Hemp Farming Act, which would remove our crop from Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act, the most exciting new crop to re-enter our agricultural scene in decades will suffer whatever fate awaits its cannabis cousin, marijuana.  Many thanks to the leadership of Congressman Polis and Senators Bennet and Gardner for their support of IHFA.  

    Since Colorado's passage of Amendment 64 in Colorado, when we became the first unit of government in the world to end Prohibition, 31 states have now legalized industrial hemp, recognizing its value to American agriculture.  We, the United States of America, are the largest consumer market in the world for industrial hemp products, yet remain the ONLY G7 nation to continue it's prohibition of cultivation under federal law.  Want to make America great again?  Start here. 


  7. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is asking government officials for $35 million to cover the cost of protecting President-elect Donald Trump until the inauguration.

    I REPEAT…this $35 million only gets us to Inauguration Day. 

    So while I'm reading some alt-right vomit about how the $$ spent on recalls in WI, MI and PA could have saved 5,000 children, a number 7x that amount is being spent on Trump (I'll only refer to him as POTUS-elect after Dec. 19 if he's still standing).  

    I'll be anxiously monitoring the vote by our junior Senator as the (fiscally-responsible) Republican-controlled Congress will have to address this special, one-off appropriations bill. 

    1. I meant to embed this in the post above re: Eric Trumps tweets the cost of the Stein effort could have saved the lives of 5,000 children.  

      Here's some math for you, Eric, and it wouldn't cost (you or) your Dad a dime: Take a firm position that your AG-elect won't role back the progress made under Obama regarding cannabis.  CBD-derived hemp oil, considered a Schedule 1 substance under federal law, has demonstrated dramatic effects in reducing epileptic seizures.  One American every 10 minutes dies from these seizures.  You get a twofer: the annual, health related costs is approximately $15bb.  We could eliminate Malaria altogether with one years worth of savings.  

      Stop your blathering on 'coal'.  The negative external costs to coal-fired power is estimated to top $500 billion annually in indirect health costs. Eliminating those costs could fund up to half of your Dad's proposed trillion-dollar infrastructure deal.  Or fully fund health care for all.  These costs are concentrated in heavily congested urban areas.  If your Dad's Secretary-elect for HUD has any interest in improving the health of inner-city citizens, one needs to look no further than this issue.  

      But I'm guessing your rant had nothing to do with saving children's lives or understanding the links between human health, jobs or 'math'.  

  8. A great piece this week in National Geographic on Pearl Harbor.  The attack was a preventable catastrophe, caused by incompetent leadership, racist stereotypes and an arrogant belief in the invincibility of the United States. 

    On a more local level, a great story about John Hopper, his students in Granada and their commitment to the preservation of Camp Amache.  I had the chance to meet and get to know John during my 2010 state senate campaign.  He is one our state jewels.  

    While I'm posting this I'll kill two birds with one stone re: the fluff-up over Black Santa Claus in the Mall of America over the weekend.

      1. Grandchildren of Admiral Kimmel are still trying to restore the reputation of their grandfather and also General Short, the Army commander at Pearl Harbor. 

  9. A personal note, apropos of nothing:my wife, Karen got laid off today. Nothing personal, just "last hired…". She's a software engineer with over 30 years in the field. There's not much she can't make a network do and what she doesn't know, she can pick up very quickly. If anyone has any leads, I'd sure appreciate a heads up. Post it here or if you have personal contact info for Michael Bowman or Mamajama55, they know how to find me. Thanks everyone for your indulgence.

    1. David T8  may know who's hiring. If you see this, David, respond to the cook's inquiry. If it's not for all eyes,  let me know and I'll message you on the bookface.

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