Monday Open Thread

“I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won’t deceive you except in matters of this sort.”

–Spiro T. Agnew

19 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. mamajama55 says:

    In case you missed this gem over the weekend, here is Joy Reid shutting down Trump spokesman Boris Epshteyn, with the aid of security expert Malcolm Nance.  Nance wonders aloud whether Trump is actually an unwitting "asset" to Russia's propaganda arm.



  2. Duke Cox says:

    How can anyone listen to the kind of crap routinely spewed by these clowns and take any of it seriously?  

    Interviews provided by:

     Liars, Inc., a division of Trump Industries.


    • Blackie101 says:

      But there some who take their crap seriously.

      • BlueCat says:

        And there is also the damn media, with some notable exceptions like Joy Reid, still constantly grading Trump on a curve. If he simply gets through a speech without saying anything totally crazy, totally false, totally ignorant, he's graded as having succeeded. 

        It's long past time for that, media. He is the GOP candidate for President of the United States now, not one joke primary candidate among many anymore, and everything he says and does should be judged by the same standards applied to any serious major party presidential nominee past or present. HRC certainly is.

        Enough lowering the bar for him. The world and its leaders,  neither our allies nor our opponents nor our sworn enemies, will be lowering the bar for him and grading him on a curve if he's elected.

        • Zappatero says:

          Exactamundo, BC. 

          Nice – but long – article on the "false equivalence" aka "both sides do it" reporting that runs throughout much of our media – "Blind leading the blind at the New York Times. Equating a "pay for play" issue where the Florida AG dropped an investigation of Trump University to an instance of a Clinton Foundation donor who was not  given a diplomatic passport is just one example.

          Add some of Chris Cillizza's DC CW Superficial coverage and this is how Al Gore gets beat by Shrub, and Hillary loses to a Neo-Fascist Racist.

          The Washington Post is, like many media outlets, a mixed bag. …. But worst of all is Chris Cilizza of The Fix, who is the poster child for vapid, process-oriented, horse-race obsessed, campaign pseudo-journalism.

          Case in point: today’s reaction to Clinton’s minor medical incident today in New York. It was a very hot day, Clinton was in neck-high shirt over the top of a bulletproof vest, and she had a spell of dizziness. As it turns out, she had been diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday–an inconvenience for a presidential candidate to be sure, but not really a major story in and of itself.

          Enter Chris Cilizza. Rather than reporting that Clinton has pneumonia and might need to change her campaign schedule to adjust and recover, Cilizza blares the headline: “Hillary Clinton’s health just became a real issue in the presidential campaign” and then insists that Clinton release a full medical history. Never mind that Donald Trump will never consent to the same demand, much less release his taxes. And never mind that there is no evidence that Clinton has a condition serious enough to question her ability to be president.

          This is how right-wing conspiracies become normalized and rewarded.

          • BlueCat says:

            Trouble is it has become an issue because of the same old Clinton instinct for secrecy first which only leads to drip drip and suspicion later. Had she immediately disclosed the Friday diagnosis with assurances that a couple of days and some antibiotics would have her back in fighting form in no time, it wouldn't be anywhere near as big an issue.

            What's unfair is the media not pointing out that while HRC was mistaken in trying to keep this easily treated illness secret, Trump is the one who is keeping everything…. his health records, his tax returns, his super plans that are going to make America great again, defeat ISIS, all of it, secret.

            But Cillizza is quite right that HRC has been her own worst enemy again and blown up a very manageable issue into a more potentially damaging one. That's pretty much her MO. To be as secretive as possible until forced to be forthcoming. If she'd quit doing that she'd be in a much better position to point out Trump's truly extraordinary level of secrecy on just about every front.

            Now when she does try to point that out she's made it easier for people to see it as the pot calling the kettle black and the media to treat it as an equivalency. Not that they should, not that that's fair or correct, but she's making it easier. And she never learns. 

            Like I've said many times… without a Trump to run against she wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Even with this stunningly bad opponent she's probably going to just pull it out.

            She's just not good at this running for stuff thing. It's not entirely the fault of the media by any means.


  3. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    How can one tell when Donald Trump is lying?  His lips are moving.

    • BlueCat says:

      Did you hear the one about how Melania took other people's money from their foundation to pay another foundation via a charity event 20K for a 6 foot speed portrait of Trump? Yeah, the money went to a legit charity but they got that portrait for free and no doubt bragged about how they gave the charity 20K for it. They gave nothing. out of their own pocket. As with the rest of his "empire" and the rest of his “charity” they just moved other people's money around and called it their own while figuring out ways to get something for nothing out of it. The entire family is "unbelievable" and not in the triumphant Trumpian sense of the word.

    • (((JADodd))) says:


      How can you tell if Donald Trump is lying? He's breathing.

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