Dr. Chaps calls attack on pregnant woman a “curse of God upon America”

(A new low for Dr. Chaps – Promoted by Colorado Pols)

UPDATE 3/27: Denver media offered near saturation coverage Thursday of the Klingenschmitt controversy, including multiple interviews with Klingenschmitt, who refused to apologize. On KOA radio’s morning news today, the state representative from Colorado Springs said:

“If you were offended because I quoted the Bible in church, I ask you to forgive me. But I will not apologize for quoting the Bible in church.”

Klingenschmitt was interviewed in the Capitol basement by Fox 31’s Eli Stokols, who reported that the Republican lawmaker was “adamant that what he says as a preacher on his Sunday morning program should be viewed separately from his work as an elected official.”

“I’ve said many times that I wear two hats; and on Sundays, I’m an ordained minister and I preach the gospel and I quote the bible,” [Klingenschmitt] said.

Klingenschmitt directed his own outrage at Hullinghorst and Democrats at the Capitol who have blocked personhood measures that, he argues, would afford adequate justice to Wilkins for the death of her unborn baby.

POLS UPDATE: The Denver Post’s Lynn Bartels reports on bipartisan outrage over Rep. Gordon Klingenschmitt’s latest ugly remarks–but no calls from fellow Republicans to resign.

Several leading Colorado Republicans lashed out Thursday against state Rep. Gordon Klingenschmitt, saying his act-of-God comments about an attack on a pregnant woman whose baby was cut from her stomach were “disgusting” and “reprehensible.”

The lawmaker, who also is a minister, quoted the Bible in his “Pray In Jesus Name” program Wednesday and tried to link the crime to abortion…

“Gordon does not speak for his caucus,” said [Rep. Polly] Lawrence, the House assistant minority leader.

Steve House, the new chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, said Klingenschmitt under the First Amendment has the right to say what he wants but “he does not represent the Colorado Republican Party.”

Original post follows.

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You had the feeling it was just a matter of time until Rep. Gordon Klingenschmitt said something, in his position as a lawmaker, that was so grotesque that it should be widely reported and thoroughly condemned. That time arrived today.

The progressive organization Right Wing Watch reported that Klingenschmitt said in an online video that the horrific attack on a pregnant woman March 18 in Longmont is a “curse of God upon America for our sin of not protecting innocent children in the womb.”

It’s a statement along the lines of Pat Robertson blaming abortion and gays for 9/11, and it has the effect of casting Republicans–not just Klingenschmitt–as being completely heartless and cold-hearted mean–unless they thoroughly denounce it. But will they?

Right Wing Watch reported this morning:

On his “Pray In Jesus Name” program today, Klingenschmitt discussed the story and tied it to a passage from Hosea in which God curses the people of Samaria for their rebellion by declaring that “their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.”

“I wonder if there is prophetic significance to America today in that scripture,” he said. “This is the curse of God upon America for our sin of not protecting innocent children in the womb and part of that curse for our rebellion against God as a nation is that our pregnant women are ripped open”

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  1. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

    This guy is one crazy motherfucker….

  2. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    You said it best, Duke.

  3. SocialisticatProgressicat says:

    Clearly, the Lord has chosen to punish us for the sin of killing the unborn in the womb by killing the unborn in the womb.  Next we will be punished for the sin of fornication by being made to fornicate!  Take that liberals and the gays!

  4. RINOPreserveRINOPreserve says:

    Abortionist are like ISIS chopping off baby human heads, or like red-tailed Hawks in New Hampshire. Can any of us really doubt that this is the lord YOUR GODs judgement on this country? We are lucky to have such a godly, intelligent representation of Christianity in Dr. Chaps. 

  5. FrankUnderwood says:

    There is absolutely nothing that this imbecile can possibly say that would surprise me at this point.

  6. ElliotFladenElliotFladen says:

    I’m confused: if you are religious then -(a) Isn’t everything the work of God? (b) Isn’t the motive of God impossible for us to know?

    • FrankUnderwood says:

      They tend to be very selective in what God’s work and motives happen to be. When 9/11 hit, didn’t Pat Robertson blame it on the sodomites living in the West Village of Manhattan? But when tornadoes and hurricanes strike red states like Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, it’s the result of something else.

      The bottom line is that when something horrible happens which is consistent with their political/ideological beliefs (e.g., the German airbus crash in the Alps yesterday is probably due to God’s disapproval of the European Union and its leftist ways), the religious nuts go to town with it. Otherwise, they clam up.

      • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

        Nobody’s god had anything to do with that, unless his god told him to bar the cockpit and fly that plane straight into that mountain, because that’s what appears to have happened

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      “god told me that you’re supposed to do whatever I want . . . 

      . . . and, oh yeah, to also give me a tenth of your income !”

      . . . cuz’ the Bible tells me so . . . 

      Seriously, listening to any utterance if Chapenschmitt, it becomes so much harder to argue with those who say that religion is a mental illness. 

    • taterheaptom says:

      It looks to me like that cheap suit jacket is a combination of fabrics, and unless there is some genetic condition it looks like Chappy is shorn.  I believe that means abomination an he must get stoned.   

      • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

        get stoned?…or , uh…have stones thrown at him?…I’m a little confused Tom…but it’s early, I’ll be a lot more confused later…

        • exlurker19 says:

          In the Old Testament, mixing fabrics in your clothing and cutting the edges of your hair (for men only) was punishable by death.  Rocks were cheap and plentiful.  The hair thing was to prevent Jews from styling their hair the way the Canaanites did.  I’m still working on the mixing of fabrics thing, though.

          • BlueCatBlueCat says:

            And shrimp. When my cousin  from my lax Jewish family married a modern orthodox guy (keeps kosher. Doesn’t wear side curls or full black hat and coat regalia like ultra orthodox) she knew that was the end of ham sandwiches and cheeseburgers but she was crushed that couldn’t eat shrimp.  She wasn’t aware until I told her shell fish aren’t kosher either, poor thing. By then the wedding plans were already set. 

            • dustpuppydustpuppy says:

              Modern Orthodox here – we’re not bad lots. 🙂

              • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                No offense. I think my cousin’s husband is a great guy.  I just thought it was amusing that, like a lot of people and even though she comes from a Jewish background, the fact that shrimp are as much of an abomination as pork came as a sad surprise to her. They are very happily married and she probably hardly misses shrimp at all any more. We were both raised by first American born generation parents who ate everything the second they got married and moved out of their old country parents’ homes but I had a very solid Jewish education because it was culturally important to my parents. And we celebrated all the holidays with the grandparents. wink

  7. BlueCatBlueCat says:

    The god Chaps believes in is obviously really cruel and nasty. To placate bloodthirsty gods like that, human sacrifice is generally believed to be the most effectively method. Too bad the terrible Big Brother government probably won’t let him sacrifice any virgins. He could always try a white ram or something but that seems pretty bush league for Chap’s super hardcore vengeful and, may I say, psychopathic god. He’d probably just go on a rampage over the insult of being offered a mere ram.

  8. CaninesCanines says:

    Chaps Has Westboro-Like Qualities.

  9. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    The GOP needs more reps similar to Gordon.They should be searching for them and getting them to run for office.

  10. FrankUnderwood says:

    Did it ever occur to anyone that Dr. Chaps might be God’s curse upon the GOP for its obsessive fetish with stupidity and superstitious beliefs (i.e., climate-change denying, creative design, censored versions of history)?  In Jesus’ Name We Pray!

  11. DaftPunkDaftPunk says:

    Like Captain Renault in Casablanca, the Republicans are “Shocked!  Shocked!” to find fundamentalist religious lunacy corrupting their brand.

  12. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Imagine a Democratic politician saying that a violent assault on a mother and child was justified because of a law or policy.

    They would be vilified, recalled, or at the least they would lose their next election. Yeah, yeah, It’s Okay if You’re a Republican. Yet somehow, the GOP tolerates this guy who exhibits many of the symptoms of paranoid personality disorder:

    *delusions of grandeur (he is God’s chosen vessel to correct the ways of (name organization) His religious followers on youtube and web are not enough – all of the voters of his district must receive the gifts only Dr. Chaps can give. Because God told him so.

    *Paranoia: (demons lurking in bathrooms, transgender people want to rape your kids, Jared Polis is ISIS and wants to behead Christians, Planned Parenthood is ISIS, ________is ISIS) Because God told him so.

    *Belief that he is persecuted: Now, a horrific, violent crime is to be blamed on the actions of his political opponents, and he claims victimhood and persecution. (In his world view, the forces of atheism and liberalism are out to wipe Christianity from the earth.) Because God told him so.

    Belief that he is special and normal rules don’t apply: Mr. Klingenschmitt has tax issues – running a tax exempt organization, his online “church”, while working for government – even while his organization was suspended as a charity. The rules don’t apply, because he’s special. God told him so.

    Does he suffer from auditory or visual hallucinations? Have frequent mood swings? Become angry or withdrawn? Who knows? This champion of heterosexual marriage’s wife  is a recluse, not appearing at any GOP functions, or even at his swearing-in ceremony. My guess is that Chappy would be difficult to live with. Or, as Duke so aptly put it, the dude is one crazy motherf*cker.

    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

      To be fair, many Colorado R pols are out there denouncing Chaps for this in no uncertain terms.  However, Rs shouldn’t be surprised. They created this monster with their decades of pandering to religious right extremists and tolerating wackos and their wacko theories. They created  the present day GOTP in which this despicable disgusting piece of crap could actually win a primary in a safe district and get elected. Now they’re desperate to distance themselves from him but the fact is that in Chaps election they got exactly what they deserve. This is what happens when a candidate who doesn’t just disagree with our President but in all seriousness calls him a demon from hell has a place in your party’s roster of candidates. More proof that the 21st century GOTP has allowed itself to sink to a level from which the sewers would be a huge step up.

  13. DawnPatrol says:

    “GOTP war on wimmens”? WHAT “GOTP war on wimmens”?

    You librulz is fecked in da hed.

    Why, Dingleberry #1 and #2 have assured y’all hundridz a’ times that there ain’t no “GOTP war on wimmens”! And if’n there is a “war on wimmens,” it’s a-comin’ from you pointie-heded librulz, as innyone kin planely see!

    And this here Chaps feller prooves it, gol-dang it!

  14. ajb says:

    I think it’s important to remember that this guy wasn’t self appointed. He was elected with his brand of bat-shit crazy well documented. The Republican Party of Colorado owns this. 

  15. (not) Dr. Chaps(not) Dr. Chaps says:

    C is for conservative, my values

    H is for the holiness I bring true

    A is for the Amen that my peeps shout

    P? demonic powers that I cast out

    S is for the sword that my flow cuts like

    Period’s the end (and now Chaps drops mike).

     

    Republican Party?  Hell, no.

     

    I’m not those RINOs, them go slows, tryin’ to get by without havin’ to try.

    I’m bringing truth and light, the great Lord’s might, fighting for the right, holding off the night.

    I’m the logical conclusion to conservative confusion. The end result of the experiment.

     

    Chaps out.

  16. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Two updates from 9 news:

    Republican women chastise Chaps for his remarks. Assistant minority leader Polly Lawrence said:

    “Members, recently this week we’ve had a member make some very inappropriate and hurtful comments related to a horrific event that happened in Longmont,” Lawrence said. “I just want to take this moment to make it very clear that these comments that were made do not reflect our caucus. They are not representative of our caucus, and we soundly reject them. Thank you.”

    The Longmont victim’s family returned a donation Chaps had made.

    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

      To those who voted for him and/or contributed to his campaign in any way shape or form all I have to say is…. this is on you. He was perfectly honest about who he is and what he stands for when he ran. The Colorado GOP is responsible and, while embarrassed, has no reason to be shocked or horrified by the man’s abhorrent rhetoric. They knew exactly what they were getting. Look around the country and you will find equally or more abhorrent rhetoric coming from state legislators that were supported by their state’s GOP and GOP voters. You’ll find equally abhorrent rhetoric coming from Republican members of Congress that got though primaries and election in their districts. Chaps isn’t an outlier. Wingnuts aren’t outliers in the GOP anymore. He’s perfectly typical of a good sized segment of today’s GOP across the nation. One of the many who no doubt benefited from national, state and district level fund raising advertising and boots on the ground base volunteer efforts. The horrified need to take along hard look in the mirror.

      • ajb says:

        BC, Are they truly horrified? If so, where are the calls for resignation? 

        They may be horrified about damage to the brand and what this does to their re-election prospects or questions they may have to answer at their next town hall, but outside that? My impression is that the GOP is putting out a couple of press releases and hunkering down, waiting for it all to blow over. 

        Unfortunately for them, Dr. Chaps looks to be the gift that keeps giving.

    • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

      Polly Lawrence laid him flat. I read the full text of her remarks in the morning Post. Good for her! I hope she’s not the last.

  17. Awen says:

    He had another eruption in the House Health, Insurance and Environment committee Thursday; they were discussing a bill on allowing transgendered ppl to get their gender changed on their birth certificates.

    • FrankUnderwood says:

      How on earth does that affect him? Is he afraid it will debase the integrity of his birth certificate?  WTF………

    • ElliotFladenElliotFladen says:

      Claiming that a person does not change genders through mere changed self-identification is hardly a “blow-up”. 

      • exlurker19 says:

        Every, every, every time I think you can’t sink any lower, Fladen, in your slavish defense of the indefensible, in your IOIYAR-no-holds-barred world, why, you still can amaze me.  Kindly crawl back under your rock.

        • ElliotFladenElliotFladen says:

          You have confused the fact that these are two separate issues

          • kwtreemamajama55 says:

            What are two separate issues? What are the particulars of the bill? What did Chaps actually do? Yell, preach, thump a bible?

            Without knowing these particulars, the debate is just more poop-throwing.  I can only hope that Klingenschmitt did “erupt” in a spectacular manner.

            Elliot, you do kind of bring the group firing squad down on you by your knee-jerk defense of whatever outrageous behavior a Republican does.

            • ElliotFladenElliotFladen says:

              Issue 1: saying that God punished the mother whose fetus was cut out of her for society’s sin of permitting abortion

              Issue 2: saying gender does not depend on mere self identification 

              Besides the fact that Gordon agrees with both issues, how are Issues 1 & 2 otherwise related?

              • kwtreemamajama55 says:

                The only connection is Klingenschmitt, and his well-known opinions on fetal personhood and the demonic nature of transgendered people.

                I’m sure you get that we on this site are all hoping for another grotesque Klingenschmitt meltdown. That’s the other connection, and I admit it freely. However, unless GK actually attacks a transgender witness on the hearing floor, there unfortunately won’t be the kind of news coverage we’ve seen on the Longmont case.

                On issue 2, I know just enough about the issue to be dangerous, being quite comfortable in my own skin and gender.

                But my understanding is that some advocates would agree with Klingenschmitt, if his argument actually is “gender does not depend on mere self identification”. There are chromosonal and hormonal bases to gender identification, as well as environmental and family factors, and much of the biology is still emerging.

                So wouldn’t that be something, if a trans woman or man reached to pat “Gordon” on the back, and say, “You’re right, brother – it’s not just the M or F on the ID.”

                • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

                  It’s only a matter of time before Chappy or Lundberg or another of the Righty-tighties introduces a “bathroom bill”. You know, we have to check your chromosomes before you can go pee? It sounds great to them when they’re talking about “a man in the women’s room”, but how about a female with serious muscles and a full beard forced to use the women’s room because he’s female. There is a transman in, I think, Minnesota, who has been taking selfies in the women’s’ rooms he’s being forced into. The reaction is just what you’d expect.

                  • ElliotFladenElliotFladen says:

                    If there is another bathroom bill introduced my prediction is it will be significantly different than what you describe 

                    • kwtreemamajama55 says:

                      Any modern facility has to provide a unisex bathroom equipped for a disabled person, preferably also with a changing table for a baby. I think that’s building code now – Duke could confirm if it is.

                      If it isn’t yet law, this might be a good compromise bathroom bill. That is, if Chaps can force himself to consort with possible demons. Chaps on the Enda bathroom bill

                      Chaps wasn’t even on my radar (or most people’s radar) until he interfered with a school district trying to make appropriate accomodations for a young transgender girl. Klingenschmitt started throwing around the word “rape” to describe what this young girl would, presumably, be guilty of if she were to use her bathroom of choice.

                      I will cut him some slack the day he apologizes to her, and admits that there is no bathroom scripture in the Bible, and even if there was such a text, it would have no business in public law.

                      We all have to be brave and venture out of our comfort zones. Especially if we really, really have to pee.

                    • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                      in reply to mama…

                      yes.. It is required.  All it has to have to be unisex is a lock on the door….

                    • SocialisticatProgressicat says:

                      To keep the demons in?

          • taterheaptom says:

            It’s true.  I suppose there is some sort of batshit blind courage in suggesting God commits horrific crimes to punish wanton women, women who face difficult choices and chose other than Chappy would, most other women, and men, and people in general that think women ought to make their own informed decision and not leave it up to the likes of the Taliban or Chappy (redundant, I know), or at least not be the subject of his judgment when faced with a tragic circumstance that he images can be ameliorated by a PR buy off of $100 (WWJD?). Courageous, since that repels just about everyone slightly left of that tatted up guy in the supremacist gang weekend MSNBC Lock Up RAW or an ISIS nut beheading an apostate. 

            Whereas this other one is just ugly cowardice in all its forms.  I don’t really believe in Heaven, but if there is one I want to be there when Chappy gets turned away along with the suicide bombers that don’t get their virgin brides, cut as they are from not too different cloths. 

      • FrankUnderwood says:

        I’m not transgendered but I have friends who are. It’s a little more complicated than getting up one day and announcing that I went to sleep as a man and woke up as a woman. Referring to gender transition as “mere changed self-identification” shows exactly how stupid you people are when it comes to this subject. 

  18. denverco says:

    The woman’s family rejects Dr. chaps  “He also pointed out that he donated $1,000 to the Longmont woman’s crowdfunding website through a charity he operates, and that he sent a letter to fellow members asking them to donate as well. The family, however, quickly refunded the money, posting a note Friday on the GoFundMe website.”

    • FrankUnderwood says:

      That family should sue him for invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. And since he made a point of saying that he was not speaking as State Rep Kingingshit but as Dr. Chaps on his IJNWP comedy show, legislative privilege doesn’t provide him with much of a defense.

  19. Diogenesdemar says:

    So Chappsy says he wears two hats?  Let me guess . . . 

    Ass? . . . 

    . . . and probably another ass? 

  20. Algernon Moncrief says:

    For the Rs . . . the Klingenschmitt has hit the fan.

    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

      Know what? He’s in a safe district and after the dust settles nobody will care. They don’t have a big enough majority or enough security in being able to retain a majority in future elections to let a little thing like deeply offensive bat shit lunacy bother them for long. They’ll tolerate him just fine and, come 2016, this will all be water under the bridge just like all the crazy things he said back in 2014 on his way to getting elected. But I like the phrase.

  21. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Eight felony charges have been filed against the  Longmont woman’s attacker. The charges include attempted murder, and unlawful termination of a pregnancy.  The accused perpetrator, Dynel Lane, will likely spend decades in prison, equivalent to a life sentence for murder.

    The victim is seeking privacy and healing.

    And all over the state, “pro-birth” activists are gearing up to use this tragedy to further their own political agendas. Republican legislators see this case as their best chance to sneak in a “personhood” bill, which would outlaw all abortion in Colorado.

    Most of them voted against Foote’s Crimes Against Pregnant Women act in 2013, because it didn’t go far enough in establishing fetal personhood.

    Rep. Mike Foote, D-Lafayette, said the law he sponsored two years ago, called the Crimes Against Pregnant Women Act, gave prosecutors and judges the ability to “administer justice without taking away a woman’s right to choose.”

    The law created felony offenses for unlawful termination of a pregnancy, while excluding medical services for which the mother gives consent.

    Dare we hope for sanity, and some kind of compromise on a bill which actually would punish people for, say, punching a pregnant woman in the stomach (which happens a lot in domestic violence cases), if it ends in miscarriage?

    And extending pretzel “logic” until it snaps, I would love to see Chaps twisted up in his own absurdities – if the Longmont case was murder, and God was trying to make a political point about abortion in allowing it to happen, then isn’t God complicit in the murder? Will there be charges brought? What about Chaps’ grandstanding on this issue? Isn’t he materially profiting from the murder of an unborn child? How many donations has he received in his various ministries because of it? If he’s making money from the case, is he a co-conspirator?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  22. gaf says:

    If God does it, it is not murder, right, because God can do no wrong (even if us mere mortals can’t understand)? Murder by God seems to be OK in the Old Testament, as Chaps’ quotes indicate. And if the argument is that Jesus changed all that with his teachings in the New Testament, why do Dr. Chaps and many of his kind of modern Christians (and anti-abortion and anti-LGBT folks) make modern-day arguments based on the Old Testament?

    • taterheaptom says:

      He only changed the not eating tasty shrimps and bacon cheese burgers while wearing a comfy cotton-poly blend part, He meant to keep all the homophobic, misogynistic parts.   

      • gaf says:

        Maybe Jesus should have been more explicit about the, “their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open” part, because one of us–either Dr. Chaps or me–has it wrong.

        • BlueCatBlueCat says:

          Not to put to fine a point on it but maybe some of us don’t give a rat’s ass what Jesus said and whether or not the Chaps of the world are correctly or incorrectly interpreting his alleged teachings.  It’s completely irrelevant to whether or not we support any given policy or piece of legislation. And we don’t have to give a rat’s ass. Our government is restricted to operating in the world of secular matters according to our constitution which forbids either promoting or interfering in matters of faith. It’s supposed to leave all spiritual matters to the conscience of each individual without taking sides. Whatever the correct interpretation of what somebody wrote that Jesus said may be, and who the hell knows for sure what the various people who wrote all that stuff had in mind, no American is required to give any of it any more weight than what they’d  give to the pronouncements of the guy on the next bar stool. Personally, in considering all this, I couldn’t care less what some guy named Jesus, who may or may not have born much resemblance to what’s been written about him, may or may not have said or meant.

    • Pikes PiquedPikes Piqued says:

      Modern Christianity is based on convenience and expedience. 

      They can pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow as God’s Law, and which to brush off with “it was a different time, back then“; and luckily, in every case, God tells them exactly what they want to hear, and God tells them to do exactly what they want to do! 

  23. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Klingenschmitt raised $800K last year, he says in a 3/28 interview with Craig Silverman on KNUS. Silverman questions him very closely about this, and I’m no tax expert, but it stinks to high heaven. GK claims that he and his wife are the #1 donor to this fund, but also says that he gets no salary from it. So they donate from what? His $30K legislative salary? WTF? Someone needs to investigate this.

    Jason, If you can stand it, you may want to do a diary on Klingenschmitt’s interview by Craig Silverman (owner of the most annoying voice on talk radio) on KNUS podcast March 28, 2015, 10 am, Hour 2.

    Silverman, surprisingly, starts out with the most detailed questioning of Klingenschmitt’s finances I’ve ever heard. Klingenschmitt says he raised $800,000 on his Pray in Jesus’ Name channel in 2014.  He says he doesn’t keep any money personally.

    The usual biographical lies and distortions: GKrepeats the lie that the Navy discharged him for “Praying in Jesus’ Name”, when what really happened was that he was insubordinate, insisting on wearing his Navy Chaplain’s uniform to a protest at the White House.

    I picked this podcast link up from a Facebook group, “Conservatives Against Gordon Klingenschmitt“. It has 300 likes.

    Silverman plays the entire excerpt of Klingenschmitt’s comments about the Longmont attempted murder.

    GK apologizez to the victim’s family if “my own words were insensitive or offensive.” Ya think?

    Silverman actually questions GK pretty severely. “You asked for forgiveness. Forgiveness for what?”

    GK: “I think the timing of this could have been more compassionate.” Again….no shit, Gordon.

    Silverman tries to pin GK down on what penalty he thinks the accused assailant should get. “Life in prison.”

    Silverman brings out that the perpetrator’s combined charges add up to +100 years, which is tantamount to a life sentence.

    GK is holding out for this to lead to a personhood bill.

    I listened to as much of this as I could stomach, about 23 minutes worth..

    If this works, this is a link to the podcast.

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