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POLS UPDATE: The first video clip forwarded to us from today's Club 20 debates is of GOP gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez, rejecting coverage of pre-existying conditions and making some pretty stark "personal experience" claims about the Affordable Care Act and Colorado's new insurance exchange. Fact-checkers, sharpen your pencils:
BEAUPREZ: What you need is leadership and not just conversation. And that's what we've had. We did all this, all this Obamacare, we did all of that and increased premiums on people, to take care of people with pre-existing conditions, I don't think so. [Pols emphasis] There is a much easier and much cheaper way and much more efficient way to do that. My, my daughter-in-law to be, checked on your insurance exchange, she got her insurance cancelled, and it would cost exactly twice as much to get a new policy as it did before. [Pols emphasis] Therefore, she doesn't have one today. That's a crime, ladies and gentlemen, you want to ensure people, you ought to make it affordable… (inaudible, applause)
The Denver Post's Joey Bunch reports from the gubernatorial debate:
Beauprez hammered on one of Hickenlooper's perceived strengths: a rebounding economy, citing statistics that painted a dimmer picture than those Hickenlooper has cited for months, including the nation's fastest growing economy…
Beauprez said Hickenlooper had not grown the state's economy as much as the size of its government. He recited his campaign refrain about his disdain for regulations.
"On Day One, I will freeze non-essential regulations," he vowed.
The affable governor responded with uncharacteristically sharp elbows.
"Maybe you should be running for congress if you want to target federal issues," Hickenlooper said. [Pols emphasis]
Both ways opening, sounds like he got the meds wrong.
OK, big event starting Gardner v. Udall…
Both Ways: We are not living in Colorado anymore. Here's the reality… Utah is awesome but Colorado is sad. FREEDOM
Thanks for making the blog thing all nice and blog like Pols. I made it back to my cave on Tater Heap.
I do not think I have live-blogged before, but I'd have to go ask in the sock drawer. Anyways, I guess its obvious I am not a journalist. I don't have to pretend to be unbiased.
Anyhow, I can type fast but not well. Or somewhat better very slowly, so I went for the former and kind of paraphrased. I regret that I was unable to capture all of Mr. Gardner's mentions of Barack Obama, for instance, but I did try to get the general sense of what he said.
Senator Udall did offer a lot more substance, but his performance was mixed.
He lost track of what he was saying a couple of times. Which isn't a criticism just a critique. Gardner gave a good performance, I suppose, and the 'home crowd' was on his side–somewhat literally, the Club 20 regulars, the Moffat and Mesa County Good-Old-Boysngirl. The cheered and chortled and became quite rude. They loved them som Fox-tested redmeat. I am only sursprised Gardner did not mention BENGHAZI!!!!
There really wasn't any comparison in the two marque debates, in my opining, substance-wise. Both Hickenlooper and Udall provided a lot more detail, and both Beauprez and Gardner offered almost only GOP talking points. I could have written either of their notes, after watching Fox and Friends and reading a couple of Colorado newspapers (online of course) to sprinkle in some local flavor.
Obamacare is both Hickenloopers and Udalls fault, as is the fact that the dry gas in the Piceance is worthless since Chesepeake and Anadarko et al glutted the market, or that uranium is at a decades low. Bill Koch's coal fire is another thing that Mark Udall caused by loving him Obama so much.
What Montrose needs is uranium mines dammit! And somehow Udall and Hickenlooper (depending which one was one stage) stopped it from never happening anyways because OBAMACARE and the War on Coal.
It doesn't matter–as the Club 20 faithful GOBs were already voting for Both Ways and Cory. If there were undecided in the room–which seems somewhat unlikely, I think both D's won on substance, Hickenlooper gave the slightly better performance, and I am not quite sure who gave better performance between Udall and Gardner.
I think Udall won, in that he clearly had the stronger and more detailed arguments, and the few times he got a little angry he brought it, but he was bit off a couple of times. Cory is a slick guy. Reminds me of a con man…
BWB: It starts with opportunity, because of recent legisltive changes and regulations…Federal gubmint!!! FreeDOM!!! Regulation! Kids opportunites, mumble mumble
Hick: Club 20 home to some of the most rugged reilient people I know. (THT note-perhaps, in 1942..) Technical difficultes…please stand by…
Biggest night of the year for Club 20 and Two Rivers and the mike is a dud…
You think they'd test those things. Whoever designed Two Rivers deserves to be a civl engineer in Grand Junction.
Hick: Shout out to Mom, Teddy, Helen… go over his background…first ran for office at age of 50 for mayor… he has gotten so much stronger on the stump than those early days.
Hick: More disasters than at any time of history in last 4 years–drought, floods, fires–and it made us stonger. Future is about collaboration not confrontation.
West Slope Issues: Energy, public lands, sage grouse and water.
Say what you will, and I might, but Hick rocked the opening a Both Ways was flat.
Hannah Holm, water to Both Ways: Discuss potential solutions for water–BUILD DAMS!
Talking about it doesn't add any storage, Need to build 'White River Storage Project' (is that the boondoogle invented by the fake district to facilitate oil shale???)
Hick: Last big Front Range water grab was Ref A and you supported that…ZING…big storage will take decades, instead we should raise existing dams double storage. Conversations have to start with conservation. Need to make plans by local basins, which we are doing.
BWB: Farmers and ranchers are original conservationists…I supported Ref. A…on my watch we're gonna buld dams!.
BWB: Get rid of all regulation that doesn't fatten private companies checkbooks.
No offense, tater, but is there a live feed? What TV stations are covering?
Both Ways loves him some Utah.
No mention from Both Ways re: clean air, clan water, worker safety.
Some folks are tweeting it #club20
Both Ways fails to understand markets. Thinks that Hickenlooper controls international price of uranium apparently…MONTROSE blah blah blah FRACKING
Both Ways is tossing out red meat… we need to drill our way to heaven, like when my grandad fed his cows… old rancher in me, tap into resources, drill and frack Colorado for our kids!
Hick is standing in a dark spot. Lighting is brighter on BWB
BWB has a friendly audience…
Hick giving thoughtful answers that go floating over the blue-haired crowd of Club 20…
uh-oh, fracking question: how would you deal with split estate issues?
Bad lighting and bad mike, both on Dem side of stage…
Hick: we need balance, don't need it on the ballot
BWB: We don't need no sticking regulations! Jobs left west slope becuase of regulation (THT note-this fails to note that oil and gas developmnet is at all time high–its the worthless gas in the Piceance)
Hicks’ pablum is good pablum, BWB jabbering about the glory of fracking. Hick straightened him out.
Hick's doing a much better job, but the audience loves them some Both Ways Bullshit
THe crowd wants to hear it here, but the BWB solution that Western Colorado's prosperity lies in putting more eggs into volatile commodity baskets is totally batshit from an economic development point of view.
BWB is a country boy..natch.
Amazing that there is NO live TV coverage as far as I can tell. Somebody doesn't want any damn video out there to show candidate messups.
Bet somebody's recording via smart phone.
Both Ways supports taking public lands away–says 'take them back'–fails history as he does economics.
BWB should move to Utah…he seems to want Colorado to be like the Beehive state….he really wants to fight DC.
The campaigns are all videotaping.
Hick gaining momentum..
Sum: Both Ways is a nut, uninspiring, sipid.
Self-sustaining health care plan? WTF?
Don't get sick.
Huge applause for Hick on calling out BWB on belligerence..
Both Ways: All this Obamacase stuff…we did all that to take care of pre-existing conditions…much better ways to do all that…but don't mind me not telling you what it is. Did I mention OBAMACARE!!!
Hick: You voted with your party 98% of the time in Congress How is that leadership? BWB: grble garble, you should have vetoed bills.
Hick: You say you want to cut regulation. I did that, can I count on your vote.
Hicks first question…strikes out.
BWB tries to attach polis to Hick..
Hick stumbles… then gets up….
BWB Keystone: Who do you care about in DC that kept you from supporting Keystone?
Hick: Keystone doesn't really impact colorado, more important issues, have to pick your fights.
Hick closing: COlorado defined more by our future than our past, future is collaboration not confrontation. Recap successes. Every sector going up–listed as fastest growing ecnomy in nation by national magazine.
Both Ways: Love y'all, humble experience, …in it because I love this state, easiest thing to do would be to go to ranch in North Park and shut the gate…
BWB: FREEDOM FREEDOM not what Micheal Bloomberg or Jared Says but FREEDOM
BWB is preaching Colorado exceptionism. Throwing out red meat like a manic butcher,
"Exceptionism" is better. Americans already have Exceptionalism and BWB clearly doesn't like America if it means a connection to the Federal Gubmint. Colorado needs something different, so "Exceptionism" it shall be. Congrats on the neo-logism, DC!
Rachel Richards moderating. Laying down the law.
Hecklers take time from canddate's whose side heckles from closing statement.
Gardner starts: thanks everyone! wife and kids. Running for senate cuz we need more Colorado in Washiington not more Washington in Colorado. Grandpa and grandma, old Dodge, dog. Built liberty ships. Grandma taught me to weld. One-room apartment Grandpa bagged groceries. I share that story because, well why not?
Gardner… we face enornous challenges. Why? Because politicians from Washington …blah, blah, blah…
Big Gubmint! EPA. Wanna regulate our mud puddles too!
Gardner…sounding like a pastor….blah blah
man…that was smarmy….
Udall: Thanks, Club20, peeps, wife, … Colorado roots, country, our people…the coal miners in Somerset, coffee shop in Pagosa.
Udall: Water, land, people…stood up to NSA and president. Will not stop fighting for essential personal liberty.
Udall gets applause on NSA comments…
Kathy Hall is asking two questions! Amazingly her makeup looks unchanged since I last saw her 11 and a half years ago.
Kathy Hall on question panel, sporting her new blonde locks
How can we break DC deadlock and regain solvency? Gardner: REPEAL OBAMACARE! OBAMACARE OBAMA STIMULUS OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA Washington blah blah blah Barack OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA. Did I say BARACK OBAMA!!!
Usdall-Calls on Gardner to support Simpson Bowles, notes that Gardner praised Udall for work against earmarks. At lowest domestic budget spending in 40 years. Goes over budget and spending bills he supported.
Gardner: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA
Gardner FU's called it 'estate tax.' Lunz in crying.
Udall owns his work on ACA, doesn't run from it. Gardner has done nothing to fix it, only voted OVER 50 times to repeal. Basically wants insurance companies in charge.
Gardner: never a vote to shut down government so nyah nyah nyah nyah. Mark Udall wants to give us all govt sponsored health care. Washington two-step. Cast deciding vote on OBAMACARE broken promises, blah blah blah. OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA
Gardner just told the cancellation lie….
Udall: Your solution on health care was to shut down govt when Colorado needed it most, your solution is to tell people of Colorado you cannot be in charge of your own health care. Its backwards its wrong and its not whats best for Colorado.
HOW WOULD YOU PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY:
Gardner: Washington needs to quit raiding SS, Medicare, I love me some socialism when its for you old folks…look over there OBAMA ! Washington! BIG GOVERNMENT!
Udall: Takes real brass when you oted to cut 800B from medicare to hand tax breaks to millionaires.
Udall zings Cory on his green energy lie….
Gardner: I will protect seniors, Medicare, and social security. I have a 91 year old grandma…Udall OBAMACARE OBAMACARE Washington DC!
Kathy Hall: What is your position on fracking and using public lands for drilling and more drilling and maybe a waste pond or two?
Udll: ALl of the above, renewables, blue ribbon commission to find right balance between protectin comnites and jobs. That's how Colorado operates, how we come together. Goes off on Gardner's ad claiming to be green energy leader in supporting failed no job creating entity. Crown jeers at Cory.
Cory: Rhetoric, buzzwords, something about pot.
Udall blasts Gardner's energy and anti-renewable votes in Congress.
Terrorism: Most important question tonight (says questioner): how will you address threat and protect privacy.
Gardner: Safety of citizens, of our homeland is most important–that's why I voted against government over-reach. What we see is a failure of foreign policy–OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA called them JV, beheading journalists…say we have NO STRATEGY blah blah blah
Udall: Say what you want you want, but look at the record. I sit on the intelligence committee. We stand together , we don't respond by taking politics beyond waters edge. We need to stand together to face this threat. ISIL doesn't care if you are Republican or Democrat.
Don't be impulsive.
What a pathetic excuse for a congressman…
Jobs in Western CO stagnant because of regualtions. How to incent job growth. Udall: mentions when he and Tipton teamed on some changes to federal regulations: good samaritan laws, stood up to forest service, VA… Keep giving me your ideas to cut red tape.
Gardner: unemployment unacceptably high on Western Slope because of debt and regualtion from Washington DC (last debate it was because of Colfax…)
OBAMACARE OBAMACARE OBAMACARE Big Gubmint. War on Coal. Environmentalist lawsuits.
Udall: We raised minimum wage, passed paycheck fairness act, college more affordable. Didn't provide tax credits for shipping jobs overseas like Gardner.
Jobs in western CO stagnant? Non-sense! Any card carrying Republican can always find work at Mesa State University.
Federal public lands seized by states? Cory- I like to walk in the woods, and Colorado sure is pretty. BARACK OBAMA analysis paralysis litigation and other Chamber buzz words.
Udall-Look at the body of my work. Why would you sell off the public lands of our state, such a special part of Colorado?
Gardner-BARACK OBAMA Washington DC blah blah blah
How do you propose funding highway fund going forward?
Udall-Stop gap measures are not building growth, we need to work together. But House has been MIA.
Gardner: Cut taxes. Build Keystone pipeline in Nebraska to fix roads in western Colorado.
Cross X, Gardner: OBAMACARE!
Udall: My position and comments were spot on, I supported the public option to create more competition.
Gardner: You promised American people they could keep their plan, when did you know that was a lie.
Udall: When it became clear that insurance companies were not going to keep their word I sponsored legislation.
Gardner: You told someone in Alamosa that fracking keeps us locked in old system what did you mean.
Udall: Fracking is part of our mix.
Richards shuts down rude Gardner hecklers.
Cross X, Udall: How can women trust you to stay out of their personal health care desicions.
Gradner: I'm gonna grow the economy cuz of BARACK OBAMA and women will get jobs cuz I'll stand up to BARACK OBAMA.
Udall: Why are you getting between a woman and her doctor.
Gardner: OTC birth control … but…but
Udall: Gardner would make the pill OTC and make women pay out of pocket despite having insurance.
Udall-Why did you support Amenmdnt 52 after the resounding crushing defeat of Ref A?
Gardner close: we need to frack the crap out of Colorado because of Putin and Arabs. All Udall cares about is 'social issues' but I hear about economy, affordabe college…
Gardner thinks people first came to Colorado 150 years ago.
Gardner: OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA… wife and cute little kid, and what an awesome daddy!
Udall close: Thanks Club 20. Talks about his latest mountain, looked at COlorado view and loves it, kept our water here, kept our ater and air clean, etc. Elections present choices and contasts, elections about the future: do we respect women or go back to old ways where men, and Congressmen, and insirance comanes made those decisions. Do we stand with west slope and protect water.
I have moved Colorado forward. It has been the greatest privelege in my life to serve as your Senator.
Wouldn't be surprised if tater's take is pretty accurate.
Indeed.. it is accurate. Tater is a much faster typist than I so I quit commenting, but, yeah, tater nailed it.
Thanks, Duke and tater!
You guys covering Tipton vs. Tapia?
I am still here. Don’t know about tater.
I left the Udall/ Gardner debate and in the hallway ran into a small group of folks who left the room because, like me, they could no longer listen to Corys bullshit without standing up and calling him a liar.
Tapia starts…..mentions destructive tactics…..talks of shutdown repercussions….mentions iineffectiveness.of congress…closes with women’s rights
Thank you tom (and Duke) very much for keeping us abreast of the Club20 proceedings. Your service is appreciated!
What a terribly, terribly small, petty, inconsequential "person" Con Man Gardner is. A complete disgrace and embarrassment.
Handing him, Bothways and Coffman their asses, and their hats on the way out the door, will be most satisfying. Let's all keep working together with every ounce of our strength to make certain we bury these three stooges once and for all, for the good of Colorado, the good of the country we love, and the good of the entier planet.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must return to my soiree.
And yo, Skippy and Zippy — go suck an orange.
Thanks for this!
Tipton …mentions LIBERTY. Mentions H arry Reid. blames over reaching bureaucracy
Tipton blames big gubmint for job
losses. ‘Get gubmint out. Of the
Tapia mentions iimmigration as job solution
Tipton hates him some EPA
Tapia…legislators should do the work..not EPA
question…strengthen Soc. Sec. How?
tipton gives lip service to protecting youth by overhauling SSoc.SSecblah
HHow energy independence?
Tipton…drill,baby,drill….enact my bill!
Tapia mentions solar and wind and others.
Tipton says gubmint is slowing down permitting. he is lying…
battery going ….sorry folks..
Tapia holding his own….Tipton, the usual blarney
OOh, no,Mr Bill I’M fading ohnoooooooo.
Blarney is a good word for Tipton's schtick. Glad Abel did OK. Have to check out the campaign videos when they're out. Still sucks that no news organizations found these debates worthy of air time. Football, "reality TV", and vampire romances instead. Sheesh.
All in all, there were no surprises tonight in GJ at the Club20 (or is it still 19?) debates. I will say it seemed not to be the one-sided affair it typically is. It almost seemed, at times, like there were more Dems in the place than Republicans, or maybe even some Republicans are getting tired of the same ol' bullshit as a substitute for actual governance. Tipton, Gardner, Beauprez, Scott, …all graduates of the Oil and Gas Institute of Lying Your Ass Off.
But, of course, the burning question that remains is….Doesn't Kathy Hall look great as a blonde?
And, as always, great to see tater heap tom…
Udall's team and the Dems did a great job of turning people out. It was the most evenly matched debate crowd I have seen at Club 20.
And I go waaaay back…to the WaterGrab Walcher days…
Gazette video of part of the Governor debate:
How unsubtle – they really did leave the Democratic half of the stage pretty much unlit. “Forces of darkness”, and all that.
They got that fixed for Udall, he was better lit. The Sentinel has their articles up, I guess I left some things out…
One point Both Ways made was that the 11 mostly failed 'measures' to secede from the state he now wants to lead proved how much the people in his bubble hate Hick and his Denver ways. He's a rancher you know, has a ranch on the West Slope (barely) in North Park, Jackson County. Could just go there and close the gate so be careful and don't be disrespecting Both Ways. He could just Go Galt on us all, and then where would we be? Think about it.
Are there going to be any debates in the Denver area or are the candidates going to just debate on Tea Party friendly turf like the lobby of the Denver Post?
this was great. thank you tater and Duke