Thursday Open Thread

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"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it."

–George Bernard Shaw

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  1. DavidThi808 says:

    Question for the day – Will Udall be able to hit Gardner on women's & gay's rights? Or will Gardner come out of the gate claiming to be a moderate on those issues? He's got Hill in the race but Gardner has a history of waffling in the primary and still winning it.

    • JBJK16 says:

      He would be the first. Gardner is the master of the indirect, glancing blow. Nothing hits him head on, and almost nothing sticks. Of course, he's only ever had to run in safe races.

      Did Stephens really fall for this baloney and quit too? I can't find confirmation.

    • Andrew Carnegie says:

      Gardner is going to claim to be a moderate on all issues, just like Udall claims to be a moderate on all issues.  Moderate is all about the voter, not about the candidate.  

      I think Udall will immediately nationalize the race, minimize the disparity of resources and make this a toss-up from a leans dem to likely dem, which is where most "experts" had it pegged.

      • Andrew Carnegie says:

        sorry, Gardner will nationalize the race…

        • Urban Snowshoer says:

          Nationalizing the race could potentially work to the Udall's advantage by making it harder for Gardner to run as a moderate, especially if there is a lot of out of state money pushing for idiotic issues like personhood.

          However, a nationalized race could also be a liability for Udall. The Democrats and affialiated groups aren't going to just sit there while out of state money pours in for their opponents–the Democrats will respond in kind and depending on what they focus on it could be harder for Udall to paint himself as a moderate.  

    • BlueCat says:

      Yes, David.  And it will work as it did with Buck. Winning the highest profile statewide races, Senate and Guv, is a far different thing than winning a safe or strongly leaning CD or one of the statewide offices most don't know or care much about. Can't tell you how many indies I've known to vote R for SOS or Treasurer or AG just to "balance" their ballot because they voted D for Senate and Guv and hate the idea of voting a straight ticket. Doesn't seem independent enough. But for the two biggies, Udall has what it takes to keep his seat. Gardner doesn't have what it takes to knock him out.  He's too clearly no moderate.

      Colorado these days really does demand moderates for Senate and Guv.  Dems have been running nothing but moderates for those positions for a long time now and in fact, both here and nationwide, the overwhelming majority of Dems are centrist/moderate. Centrist/moderate Rs, on the other hand, don't exist at that level here (they barely exist at all) so Dems should continue to have those positions pretty much sewn up for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately the low info indie minded will probably continue to look at the ballot and say, guess I should vote for some Rs too and that hurts Dems in the other statewide races.

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        I'm really conflicted about all this . . . 

        . . . not sure if I'm elated that I will no longer have Gardner as my "representative" . . . 

        . . . or completely depressed at the likely prospect if having Buck ??!!??

      • Urban Snowshoer says:

        Blue Cat wrote:  

        Dems have been running nothing but moderates for those positions for a long time now and in fact, both here and nationwide, the overwhelming majority of Dems are centrist/moderate. Centrist/moderate Rs, on the other hand, don't exist at that level here (they barely exist at all) so Dems should continue to have those positions pretty much sewn up for the foreseeable future

        I would be careful not to descend into hubris, thinking that Democrats have it compeltely locked up for good. Nonetheless, I would generally agree with your assessment.

        Colorado, to  a certain extent, mirrors the demographic shifts that have been taking place in the country. The Democratic Party is indeed been far more competitive across demongraphics (including both urban and rural settings). The Colorado Democrats are not going to win the Focus on the Family crowd anytime soon, but they have done a remarkably good job of being competitive in more than just Denver or Boulder.

        By contrast, it remains to be seen whether Cory Gardner can do the same for the Republican Party. If he can win the nomination without having to drift too far to the right, and stay on a moderate, general election message, he could conceivably take down Udall. 

  2. James Dodd says:

    May Chokwe Lumumba rest in peace. More here on the man.

  3. BlueCat says:

    Don't want to be accused of outing so I'll just say congrats to one of our posters who will know what it's about. wink

  4. dwyer says:

    Larry Saboto's take on the 2014 Senate races:

    It does not include the latest switcheroo in Colorado

  5. dwyer says:

    Caplis's take is that if Gardner does not win in 2014, he will be set to beat Bennet in 2016.  

  6. BlueCat says:

    Another subject for open thread. The protecting bigots from law suits bill has been vetoed in Arizona. Guess the business wing of the GOTP can still pull rank once in a while when push comes to shove. At least with Governors. 

    Since the show me your papers law still stands and passage of this new hate bill in both houses shows where the majority of Arizona stands, I'd still recommend staying away, though. The fiery climate for so much of the year isn't the only thing that makes this state a hell hole.

  7. dwyer says:

    Dick Waddams was on Caplis….glowed about Gardner getting in the race….but nix on Beauprez as candidate for governnor.

    Waddams said the governor's race needs a new, fresh face……Waddams and Tancredo got into an on-air fight in 2010…..real radio, got to love it.


    • Urban Snowshoer says:

      As for being a candidate for governor, Beauprez had his chance against Ritter in 2006 and didn't do so well, to say the least. I'm not sure the state GOP would like to to take a chance on having another series of photo-ops like the now- famous one with the horse.

    • DavidThi808 says:

      Wow – that's a really good read. It's too bad that the other 99% of the time the government never hires people of that caliber for IT projects.

      • Davie says:

        I especially agreed with the conclusion of the article saying that the government contractors are basically optimized for winning contracts — not so good at delivering on their promises.

        A friend of mine has worked for government contractors for decades, and the horror stories he tells would make your hair stand on end.

        Early in my career I worked at one, but decided to bail after less than a year because I could see it was 90% mgmt overhead and 10% productive work.

  8. Diogenesdemar says:

    If a group of apolitical novices can beat back the gunzos in the Castle Rock red stronghold of redder Douglas County, then there's some hope for common sense in the rest of this State:

  9. BlueCat says:

    Well this is inconvenient news for GOTP trolls. Deficits have fallen to pre-crisis level. And once again, as usual, it's happened with a Dem in the WH and after a disastrous R administration that totally and with lightening speed squandered the surplus of a previous D administration. So what's this about the GOTP being the party of fiscal responsibility now? Just think how much better the recovery would have been without all that GOTP obstruction and Dem cowardice. 

  10. mamajama55 says:

    Jimmy Sengenerger interviews Scott Gessler and Lynn Bartels. dwyer, this ones for you…rightie radio in gooey glory. I haven't listened to it yet.  Found it linked on Elliott Fladen's FB. Thanks, Elliott. Any insights?

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