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November 05, 2013 05:47 PM UTC

2013 Election Night Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

WEDNESDAY UPDATE: Vote counts indicate the "51st State" ballot question passed in a total of six five small counties last night: Yuma, Cheyenne, Phillips, Kit Carson, and Washington. With the defeat of the measure elsewhere, especially in the only populous county involved, Weld County, the secession movement can be pronounced dead.


UPDATE 11:30PM: Statements from Colorado Democratic Party chairman Rick Palacio:

"One of the largest inequities Coloradans have to deal with is that of funding for public education; Amendment 66 was an attempt to address those inequalities. While tonight's results weren't successful, this campaign has moved the ball forward in helping Coloradans understand that we must eventually tackle the way our public schools are funded if we are to create an education system that is as modern as the world in which we live," Palacio said.

"In northern Colorado, common sense prevailed tonight with the failure for eleven counties to secede from the state. Although Coloradans might not always agree on the best course of action, we can agree that working together is better than not working at all."

And Colorado GOP chairman Ryan Call:

“This is the third major election loss for Gov. John Hickenlooper in just two months.  The people of Colorado clearly reject his radical agenda that is hurting families, small business owners and senior citizens.

“Colorado voters are ready to elect a governor who, unlike Gov. Hickenlooper, will listen to the people of Colorado, not the out-of-state special interests; a governor who will unite rural and metro areas, not divide them; and a governor who will actually lead our great state, not bow to the radical fringe of his base.“


UPDATE 9:00PM: The North Colorado secession movement appears to be a bust, with six eight of eleven counties with the question on the ballot now rejecting–including Weld County, the only one with an electorally significant population.


UPDATE 8:20PM: Closely-watched local measures to restrict hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," are soldily ahead in Boulder, Lafayette, and Fort Collins. In Broomfield, a similar measure is narrowly trailing.


UPDATE 7:25PM: With Amendment 66 losing 67-33% in bellwether Jefferson County, the statewide defeat of the measure is now an easy call.


UPDATE 7:10PM: With about 350,000 votes counted statewide, Amendment 66 (school finance) is down 63-37%, while Proposition AA (marijuana tax) is solidly up 66-34%.


Taxes, weed, fracking–tonight's got it all. Stay tuned for results.


62 thoughts on “2013 Election Night Open Thread

    1. Watching the school funding and school board races from a distance reminds me Mark Twain was probably correct and prescient when he said In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards."

  1. Looks like a big night for the reform ticket in Denver ed race with O'Brien, Johnson, Taylor and Rodriguez showing big leads in early returns.

      but 66 is barely passing, an ill omen for it overall.

  2. A66 only passed in Denver by 0.2% – the school reform folks have to get it together next time around if they want to pass (very needed) school funding changes.

    So… where does this leave the rest of the school reform (SB31-213)?

    1. If the construction of SB 213 was as intended, none of it should come to pass absent the passage of Amendment 66.

      SECTION 12.

      Effective date.

      This act takes effect upon the proclamation by the governor of the vote cast in a statewide election at which a majority of those voting approve an increase in state tax revenuesfor the purpose of funding public education.

              1. I got interested in this issue in 2008 with then-Governor Ritter championed Amendment 58, which failed.  I was one of the campaign spokesman for the effort and had the opportunity to debate it a handful of times with Bill Cadman. We have a Byzantine cauldron of tax code on this that is not serving us well. 

                On one hand the industry has benefitted [unjustly so, I would argue] to the tune of over a billion dollars in the last decade, while on the other hand we're trying to raise a billion for education.  Those are the dots that shouldn't be that hard to connect. The industry gets a pass, any attempt to raise the issue is met with a tsunami of money [some of that billion they have now] to beat it back – and they'll continue to sell us the idea that natural gas is cheap in those cute tv ads. 

                We have a structural problem, and trying to put a band-aid on the challenge isn't going to cure the cancer. Perhaps we need a homeopath with a new salve? [sorry, couldn't help myself.  This evolving story on the Stanley family in Colorado Springs and their contribution to advancing the cause of  treating childhood epilepsy with hemp oil is heartening.]

            1. I have mentioned before on these pages the “Initiative for Surface Owners Rights” from a few years back. It was an attempt to address just the tax inequity you mention and we see spelled out in the story to which you linked.
              Coloradoans don’t seem to fully grasp that our state government has GIVEN the oil and gas companies over a billion dollars that should have been used to fund our states’ needs.
              Every governor we have had in recent memory, with the exception of Bill Ritter, has been an industry lackey, staunchly defending the theft of Colorados’ wealth by the worlds’ richest companies.
              It is way past time to correct this situation.

    1. Of course it was pretty much just a hissy fit vote to pursue secession and would have been subject to several other unclearable hurdles. I knew that it would have to then pass in the state legislature but the article in the paper said legislature or by Colorado voters (?) and then it would have to be approved in the US congress. So they've made their statement, but not in Weld County where the statement was pretty soundly rejected.

      1. It was, in short, a protest vote, venting not much more than goober frustration that a man not completely white was reelected President of these United States one year ago. This was the first opportunity for the zealots to spew.

        ruralists have always felt differently about guns, sexuality, and womens' rights than the rest of us. But they've never felt the need to seceed or nullify until the 44th Presidency. conway played into it, stuck his neck out at what he thought was the opportune moment, and got clipped.

        Most of the 11 counties' residents thought about it. Those Government subsidy checks, unemployment compensation, and the various other "evil guvbmint" assists might be put at risk in a successfull seccession. And all 11 counties bring in more Government money than they pay out. All 11 Counties are carried by the remaining 55 Counties.

        It was that old bagger "greed or hate, hate or greed" choice………..again..

        Sad but true.

      1. There will be a lot of Tea Party bloviating about how Cuccinelli was able to tighten this race up by pivoting to an all anti-Obamacare, all the time message for the last couple of weeks.

        My analysis? McAuliffe was never a likeable candidate, and too many Democrats stayed home rather than vote for him. The result is that Democrats probably didn't gain the Delegates they need to be effective.

        1. Right. He had baggage big time. Horrible DNC chairman before Howard Dean (who I still want back for Chairman for at least a decade) whocouldn't even get a win out of a paper bag back then. '02 and '04 elections were perfect examples, and he didn't do shit for Gore either.

  3. Giant news out of Hawaii. gay Marriage has passed out of committee and now goes to the floor of the House for second reading. Not a done deal yet but this was the biggie. And they committee members sat through days of testimony.

    Go mom!!! 

    ps – the Republicans have called an emergency cacus meeting. I'm guessing it'll be to gang up on my mom again.

    1. Good news out of VA, the tea party extremists Ken Cuccinelli and EW Jackson were defeated by democrats. It is a very good day for the voters of VA. Well done VA voters.

      1. Good review here.

        I'd like to believe "Keep Cucc out of your cooch!" won the election, but it's never just one thing.  I rue the day when "small government" conservatives realize that social issues are killing them, and people can just vote for the party that promises to squander less of their tax money.

    2. It passed in my native Illinois, too. Go Blackhawks! Except when you're playing the Avs. Ditto Bulls except it looks like I'll be pretty free to root for you during the play offs. 

  4. I get that Amendment 66 isn't going to pass, but I'm concerned about what looks like 2 additional Douglas-County-style conservatives to the Jefferson County School board.

    Someone please tell me I'm overreacting.

    1. Not overreacting — school boards are battlegrounds everywhere — the right sees this, the left apparently has yet to figure it out.  Here in DougCo, it looks like all four of the pro-public education candidates will be defeated.  Still more of the same anti-education nonsense, I'm afraid.  The only bright spot is that the margains of victory are not so large, you'd think maybe that might have an impact — but then again that's probably just my wishful thinking, wackos and extremeists never seem to get moderated . . . 

      1. No, you're supposed to say "It's ok, Scott. You're just overreacting. They're not anti-public education. They just have different opinions than you about how to run our public schools", dammit!

        Why the hell are we electing people who seem to hate public schools to govern our public school boards? That's like putting a Raiders fan in as interim head coach for the Broncos. It's like a steakhouse asking a team of vegetarians to create their menu. Seriously, WTF?

        1. Unfortunately, you're probably not overreacting.  All three opposed A66, and at least two of the three made it clear that they didn't think the schools were underfunded.  "If the schools need more funding" was the exact phrase uttered by one of the candidates at a forum.

      2. I don't know about DougCo.

        Maybe the recent Board direction proves you can do a lot in a wealthy district that doens't hurt student performance.  I once read a study (book) about Chicago public educaiton k-12 in the 50's and 60's.  Part of the point was that everyone went to the neighborhood parish school, whether they were Catholic or not.  As a result hardly anything the CSD did mattered to overall student performance in the city.

        Meanwhile, in DougCo, we see affirmation that students from affluent housholds do better, no matter what's going on at the school.  It always struck me as odd that the outsiders that came to DougCo to take over a school board (who funded all the voucher litigaiton?) would choose DougCo.  It seems like it would make more sense to take over an underperforming district (in a solidly red voting area) and turn it around.

        Anyhoo – all the time and money on this election – not much changes. Sorta the way the founders intended. And CO schools remain underfunded (the countdown is on for higher ed to be completely unfunded in a few years)and locally controlled because even those who support increased investment cannot agree how to raise it or spend it.

        1. With the gap between the vouchers and the cost of almost all of the private schooling (almost all of it religious) available, the vouchers are a perk for the upper middle class. The rest can't afford the private schools even with the voucher.

          Unlike voucher programs for innner cities where schools are terrible, Douglas county schools are considered among the best, so this isn't about getting poor kids out of awful schools. It's about I've got mine, I want even more and I want it subsidized, screw you.

          This will make it harder to provide good education in the public schools and contribute to the gap between students from higher income families and students from lower income families as more money gets sucked out of good school systems with the spread of anti-public education, reverse Robin Hood elite voucherism as discount coupons for the affluent. 

          1. It's even worse than that,BluCat. It's I've got mine, I want more and I want you to pay for it, even though you can't afford it for your own kids."

  5. Wow, A-66 barely squeaked by in Denver and Boulder.  Where were the tax-loving constituencies tonight?  You know … the ones who pay little or no tax but like to vote increased taxes on others.

    1. You must mean the super rich because, via taxes such as payroll taxes and others,  low and middle income tax payers pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than do many if not most in the top fraction of the top 1%.  Sometimes a lot higher as many at the very top pay none. And now in Douglas County those elite income earners can get tax payer subsidized discount coupons to send their kids to private schools those on the lower end of the middles class income scale can't afford regardless of half or less off coupons which is what Doug CO vouchers are. 

  6. Ryal Call is on drugs if he thinks Tancredo is going to bring urban and rural areas together. The radical agenda is the republican agenda that was rejected in Virginia tonight Ryan. Terry M got an f grade from the nra and he still beat his tea party challenger. Virginia shows us the tea party extremists like Tancredo and Buck are going to lose badly in 2014

  7. Using the numbers at the TPTSNBN Toast site:  0.7% of the population of Colorado voted to secede.  (Just shy of 38,000 votes yes to secede, population just shy of 5.2 million souls in the state.)  Now I'm sure the vote totals aren't up to the minute (Yuma county voted overwhelmingly for secession:  57 to 13–votes, not percentages–with those kind of numbers, it's gonna take awhile to finalize the count.)

    I find it reassuring that there are still sensible people in Colorado. 

    1. A quick head count looks like the margin of loss in Weld County exceeds the vote of the entire electorate in the counties that vote to secede.  [sans Yuma County, which appears to be using carrier pigeons to deliver the results].

      1. Weld County was always the lynchpin of this scheme.  I guess folks in Weld County realized that emergency services when needed are important and paying out of state tuition to send a kid to CSU or Mines is dumb.

  8. I find it interesting that DeBlasio won NYC Mayor's race by a landslide considerable bigger than even Christy's in New Jersey to remain Governor. Since before 9/11 and especially after that, the candidate most authoritarian on crime and security has been the winner in NYC. 

    This first Dem in decades to win, and by so much, is pretty much the opposite of decades worth of winning candidates.  It's a loud and clear repudiation of the stop and frisk policy that subjects every black and brown young man in the city to the indignity and inconvenience of entirely unjustified searches on a regular basis, based on skin color alone, a policy that he vehemently opposes.

    It's also a repudiation of the idea that as long as the wealthiest New Yorkers are doing great, NYC is doing great. De Blasio also ran on increased taxes of the wealthiest and finding ways to help ordinary New Yorkers prosper. Whether he can manage it is another question but the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers apparently hope he can.

    In the American city most traumatized by terrorism I find enormous hope for a turn around in the erosion of our rights in this sudden and decisive rejection of the notion that there is no such thing as too great a loss of the rights we're supposed to be able to take for granted as American citizens as long as it might keep us safer.  I hope it's a sign of a growing nationwide change in attitude that will force the dismantling of the police state that's been being built and that too many of us have accepted out of fear.

     I wish DeBlasio all the best. 

    1. You know things have changed radically when a mixed race family including a wife who fell in love and married him even though she had considered herself to be a lesbian is a plus in an election. You don't have to be as old as I am (not even close) to remember a time when a family like that would have made a political career utterly out of the question. 

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