14 thoughts on “Nationally Prominent DREAMer’s Family Raided Last Night”

1. Want to reiterate I don’t agree with blaming Obama — especially for events in a state known for defying him on immigration to the point the Obama administration has had to sue Arizona over it. ICE agents appear to be acting counter to the administration’s orders. Why? Dunno.

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   1. I agree that you drew a correct lesson PCG.  Erika’s mother was actually on the deportation bus and it was en route when it got turned around.  I don’t believe any other people were let off – just Erika’s mom.  As you said, a mother of a less prominent daughter wouldn’t have been as lucky.

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2. Now Erika and I have had our political disagreements.  In short, I’m a bit more conservative than she is, being a pro-immigrant member of the tea party and all.  Partly because I’m more conservative, I’ve always looked skeptically at Obama’s purported commitment to go after only the really bad immigrants and to bring immigration reform as soon as he could.  

   I could see the “more conservative” justifying a comparison to Ms. andiola.

   But claiming your relative conservatism as a reason to be more skeptical about this administrations immigration enforcement policy- you lose me.  

   Being more Republican would justify skepticism of the President and his administration. Being more of an ideologically blinded partisan would explain (define) your skepticism.  But just claiming to be conservative does not.

   How exactly ar eyou defining your conservatism?

   (ps
   
   DST causes the local 4:30pm sunset.  Eliminating DST would leave sunset at the “normal” time.)  

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   1. And I’m skeptical that Obama is a friend to immigrants – I follow Ruben Navarette’s writings on the topic.  

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3. Are you running the old “some would say” grift?

   Accusing the President of lying to the Dreamer community, pretending to sympathize with them for votes while actually being a pinko in truth, deporting them like the redlegs want?

   PCG made a great point re: Arizona being quite non compliant in its’ following the President’s EO, and Madco kind of put an end to your high brow superiority complex with the “conservative” bullshit.

   What apparently happened to this lady’s wrong. It obviously smacks in the face of What President Obama’s policy represents.

   You’re also suggesting others on the raid weren’t so lucky, because they aren’t “high profile”.

   Frankly, this sounds like a pinko taking the opportunity to cheap shot the Democratic President of the United States, with the old “he doesn’t deliver on his promises any better than the reds” scam at the end.

   So, after all that, what’s your point?

   If you’re going to accuse, man up and do it, whatever the accusation is.

   Otherwise you sound like sean hannity.

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   1. While claiming to be pro-immigrant.  I firmly believe that his pro-immigrant RHETORIC (not actions) helped the Dems win in 2012.  

      If you want something else, take a look at the constant moving back of the date to get immigration reform done.  First it was supposed to be 2009.  Then 2010.  Then after election.  Now its after gun control, consumer protection, and who knows what else.

      All this from the guy who was a deciding vote for the poison pill Dorgan Amendment that killed immigration reform in 2007.  

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      1. of the Republicans helped Dems more than Obama’s rhetoric.

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         1. As did DACA.  

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      2. You’re floating the red herring that the Democrats in general and Sen’s Dorgan and Obama inserterd a poison pill?

         Hewitt ran that con in ’07. So did Boortz.

         Hannity, the goof CNN fired who went to faux news, and even Kudlow went with it.

         Stripping the “guest worker” provision should not have been a problem in the Bill’s passage.

         Both Senators were cognizant that the amendment drove wages lower nationally, a redleg priority, and protected their districts and their country.

         At one point I thought you might be a “concerned and thoughtfull conservative, seeking civil dialogue”.

         You’re a troll. I’m suspecting a pinko former poster, and eventually you’ll reveal yourself.

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4. I remember Mario Solis Marich getting involved to stop a DREAM student from being deported a few years back, I think in Basalt area. Kid wanted to be a police officer when he graduated.

   I often wonder how much influence the President’s directives (including formal Executive Orders like the ones supposedly redirecting immigration enforcement attentions) are actually having among the regional departments. These are signed orders from the President, not some random statement to the press that can be simply ignored once the mics are turned off.

   ICE seems to be relatively deeply embedded with Sheriff Arpio’s gang in Maricopa County, AZ, even as the DOJ is trying to shut down Arpio’s abuses of authority.

   I wonder how many political appointees embedded by the Bush Administration remain in positions where they’re outright disobeying the President.

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   1. The bureaucracy is forever.  You’re absolutely correct about the subversive Arizona ICE office.

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5. Hey, this column is from High Times magazine — yeah, man, pffft, pffft, pass the big fat doobie, ha ha ha! (Now that we’ve gotten that jokie shit out of the way…) It’s worth reading, because it details how any of us can be stopped in places far from the Mexican border and interrogated about our immigration status:

   http://hightimes.com/legal/ht_…

   …The Border Patrol has the legal authority to detain you, a US citizen, for questioning at any of its 71 permanent or roving traffic checkpoints within 100 miles of the US border, just for driving up to that checkpoint…

   “Okay, that sucks,” you’re thinking, “but I never wanted to go to West Texas anyway.” Alas, this 100-mile “Constitution-free zone” – an area in which federal police agents don’t have to abide by the Fourth Amendment – actually applies to every inch of the US border. That would mean the Mexican and Canadian borders, of course, as well as all of our coastlines, which include the shores of the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, the Great Lakes and the Gulf of Mexico.

   In fact, the ACLU found that two-thirds of the US population lives somewhere within this 100-mile swath encompassing all of our border areas and coasts. According to the ACLU, nine of the country’s 10 largest metropolitan areas fall within this zone (Dallas-Fort Worth is the only exception), and a number of states are considered to lie completely within this zone: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

   At any time in this area, Border Patrol agents have the authority to set up checkpoints and detain American citizens – randomly and without cause – for interrogation and search. This was the case with students and professors from the University of Maine last year, when the Border Patrol set up an Orwellian-named “temporary permanent checkpoint” 75 miles from the Canadian border and quizzed them on their immigration status. As a result, foreign-born students and scholars are now being advised to carry their original visas and other papers to avoid detention and arrest.

   In Rochester, NY, where the nearest border is 65 miles away in Buffalo, another aspect of the Border Patrol’s power is abused: the power to conduct “walkthroughs and interrogations” of passengers on mass transit. People traveling on Amtrak trains, Greyhound buses or using the city’s small airport have all been accosted by agents from the Rochester Border Patrol office, which has grown from seven to 27 officers since 2008, despite the fact that the city lacks any actual port of entry.

    

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   1. I noticed a Border Patrol vehicle when I was in Rochester over Christmas and wondered WTF it was doing there.

      Technically, Rochester’s closest border is its shoreline on Lake Ontario. Not 65 miles away in Buffalo, but 0 miles away where the city ends. And though there is no formal port of entry in Rochester, there are most certainly docks, and there have been ferries and talks about ferries going to Toronto (the latest was supposed to have started this past year, but was cancelled before launch).

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