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December 09, 2022 07:19 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.”



29 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

    1. She's daring the Democrats to participate in the 2024 AZ Senate election with three candidates on the ballot. It would have been far better for us if she were to lose the primary.

      We can guarantee that the Republicans will run a nut-job, this is Arizona after all. Sinema has name recognition and probably would draw more voters from the Democrats than the Republicans.

      I don't actually know that, but it is worrisome.

      1. 2024 is shaping up to be interesting in many ways. Personally I am already writing off Dems maintaining a majority. Too many tough to defend D seats up and too few possible R to D flip possibilities.

        As for Sinema, she may have name recognition but a lot of it is negative. The Dems will paint her as an obstructionist, more closely allied with McConnell than with getting anything done. The Republicans will paint her as Dem-lite and not near pure enough for them. It could potentially be a close 3-way. 

        Either way, I'll start focusing on 2024 after we get past Denver's municipal elections in April.

  1. "Occam’s Razor remains undefeated." Joe Patrice at Above The Law

    I think we dodged a bullet, and by "we", I mean democracy.

    "Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson Asks Simplest, Most Damning Question As Supreme Court Entertains Canceling Democratic Elections"

    As the argument unfolded, three distinct camps emerged, with Jackson, Kagan, and Sotomayor opposed to the whole goofy theory; Alito, Gorsuch, and Thomas thrilling at the prospect of authoritarian rule; and the Chief, Barrett, and Kavanaugh wishing there was some way to let Republicans gerrymander at will without turning North Carolina elections into North Korean elections.

    Neal Katyal went right at the conservatives with receipts — straight up calling his shot, announcing that he’d been “waiting for this case” so he could unload his can of originalism on Justice Thomas — quoting back their own opinions from every time the shoe was on the other foot, prompting a series of blubbering exchanges from the frustrated justices. His exchange with Gorsuch set the tone. The justice asked Katyal for “one example” of the Court employing Katyal’s theory. He cited a 19th century example. “*grumble* Put that aside!” He cited another. Gorsuch rants and raves trying to figure out why he hadn’t researched this point.

    Justice Jackson delivered the most devastating bodyblow (no transcript… so this may be inexact):

    "I guess I don’t understand how you can cut the state constitution out of the equation when it is giving the state legislature authority to exercise the legislative power."

    Yes. She actually asked this question in different phrasings a few times, but it’s really the only question anyone needs to answer. If state constitutions create state legislatures then how can state legislatures violate state constitutions. It ceases to be a constitutionally ordained legislature at that point!

    It’s a chicken and egg problem — except it’s more like which came first the chicken or my dinner tonight — with a single obvious answer. If the state constitution sets guardrails of voting rights and the proper deference required to courts and the executive, then the legislature can only work within that. The GOP argued that, because the word “Legislature” is in the U.S. Constitution it elevates state legislatures above the constraints of their own state laws for this purpose, but no one — original or otherwise — ever entertained that idea. Indeed, it would be absurd to think the Framers, at the time, intended to dictate to the states how their governments should function. “Legislature” is whatever the state chooses to create with all the checks and balances attendant to its own laws — just like it’s been for over 200 years.

  2. The weak Biden administration folds like a cheap Walmart chair. 

    Vlad gets the Merchant of Death with a Rolodex of international dirtbags he can use to prop up this war in Ukraine.

    Biden gets a gay, black, America is the problem,  basketball player he can use to get votes.

    No is a negotiation response. If your not willing to walk away from a negotiation……it's not negotiation.

    1. Are you high on your supply of trycocksagain pfruit?

      Glad you never participated in a hostage negotiation.  You would have gotten  all of the hostages killed.

    2. In late 2018, Trump released Abdul Ghani Baradar, and one of the top leaders of the Taliban, along with 5,000 other Taliban fighters, in exchange for… “checks notes”… NOBODY! 

      You clueless moran.

    3. The "Merchant of Death" has been out of circulation since 2008, in a US Prison since 2011,

      And again, I'm curious to know your experience with international negotiations over hostages.

          1. well, not quite:  three things.

            1. Trump pressured the Afghans to release them.  and eventually there was an exchange. Verify This says.

            THE QUESTION

            Did the Trump administration agree to the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners?

            THE SOURCES

            THE ANSWER

            This is true.

            Yes, as part of a deal made with the Taliban in 2020, the Trump administration agreed to the release of up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for the release of up to 1,000 prisoners “of the other side.”

            2.  So it was an exchange – 5 to 1; and

            3.  I want Mike Pompeo to get EVERY BIT as much credit as Trump does, as I still think he's a viable candidate for President (though he may not challenge Trump), there's always 2028 or Senator.

      1. Actually, Abel / Powers was buy one get one free.  At the exact moment the two passed on the bridge of spies, the East German Stasi released Frederic Pryor at Checkpoint Charlie.

  3. Re: Sinema. I think this ditty was from an old Ma and Pa Kettle movie in the 50s:

    We’re sorry to see you go.

    We’re sorry to see you go.

    We hope to heck you never come back.

    We’re sorry to see you go!!

  4. “Way to Win” vs “Third Way”. Great thread (On Twit – I apologize) on activating the reserve army on non-voters, i.e. minorities and youth.

    For my money (if I had any to invest!) it would go to this organization focussing on grass-roots electioneering in VA, AZ, TX, GA and Fl.

    “Now that the 2022 cycle is behind us, with the beautiful cherry on top of Warnock’s epic win, we want to take a moment to talk about the bigger picture, and put the spotlight on the people who made this cycle of improbable victories happen.

    We’re lucky to have a lot of donors in our network. All the respect and gratitude for them using their resources to make true, structural change. But our role in all of this is relatively small. It’s the organizers, candidates and campaign staff that are the heroes. However.

    We do need to take a victory lap, because our women of color-led org got something important right, and before many others saw it. And what we’ve learned has big ramifications for where American democracy goes from here.”

    Our winning coalition is multiracial, so we have focused on organizing in diverse communities. But 58% of it is white, and our inclusive approach includes both white voters & voters of color. Many white voters understand that a system based on racial divisions holds us all back.

    And, we’ve realized that many establishment consultants were failing to deliver compelling, persuasive messages to multiracial voters in their paid media. So since 2018 we’ve been investing in increasingly sophisticated and persuasive media operations.

    Despite all this, we were met with indifference, a series of whisper campaigns, and even open hostility. The @ThirdWayTweet leadership went so far as placing stories about Dems being “too extreme” – *the day before the election* this year. 

    1. 4 Dem Senators from 2 pinkish swing states!

      Rachel Bitecofer comments:

      "Effort"or "investment" is not why Dem nominees lost the senate races in OH, WI, NC, or FL. Strategy is why.

  5. Slightly annoy the last President: Get a tirade of insults from him and veiled threats from Republican leadership.

    Remove yourself from the current President's party as a sitting US Senator: Get a response like "Fine. Whatever" from him and Democrat leadership.

    The "both sides" are vastly different.

    1. Within hours of a sitting US Senator leaving the Democratic Party, the biggest political headline is that US House Republicans can't even manage to govern themselves.

      The GOP is an unfunny joke.

  6. From the dictionary, for real, I kid you not, well actually I'm kidding:




    adjective: sinematic

    1. relating to performative political actions reminiscent of what Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema might do.

      "she made a sinematic demonstration with her thumb and pouty-face while casting a confounding vote"

    2. relating to political decisions made in the interest of nobody except Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema.

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