Weekend Open Thread

“Honesty is the rarest wealth anyone can possess, and yet all the honesty in the world ain’t lawful tender for a loaf of bread.”

–Josh Billings

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  1. JohnInDenver says:

    Secretary of State Jena Griswold spent a bit of time helping to insure better elections:

    Secretary Griswold names supervisor to monitor Elbert County primary election

    “Every eligible Coloradan – Republican, Democrat, and Unaffiliated alike – has the right to cast a ballot in accessible and secure elections. That’s why I am taking action to appoint a supervisor in Elbert County to ensure voters have the election they deserve,” Griswold said in a statement. ….

    Griswold, a Democrat, appointed Christi Coburn, described as a “professional elections administrator,” as a supervisor through an election order on Thursday. Coburn will monitor the decisions Clerk Dallas Schroeder and his staff make during the primary election process.

    Additionally on Thursday, Griswold appointed former Secretary of State Wayne Williams and Mesa County Treasurer Sheila Reiner, both Republicans, as advisors in the Mesa County primary election.

    • MichaelBowman says:

      Thanks for sharing, David.  Those are hard words to absorb and the mindset of far too many rural residents are in inverse proportion to the facts. In far, far too many instances we're our own worst enemy.  


      But that’s not true; in fact, by some measures New York City is one of the safest places in America. And the states with the highest homicide rates are Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri and Arkansas. Although the governor of Louisiana is a conservative Democrat, the rest are run by Republicans; every one has a Republican legislature. Have they failed to bring down crime because they aren’t “tough” enough?

      Speaking of failure, back in 2016, Donald Trump told rural Americans that if they elected him, he would solve all their problems, bring back all the jobs that had been lost and turn their communities into paradise. Yet they still struggle with lack of economic opportunity, high rates of drug addiction and violence.

    • Duke Cox says:

      We could start by deciding that not every human enterprise should be run “like a business”. How much suffering for “profit”?

      Homelessness and drug abuse don’t cause themselves. We have cast humanity aside…and it shows. Jack London had some profound thoughts on the subject of human sacrifice for the health and happiness of the wealthy.


      • MichaelBowman says:


      • DavidThi808 says:

        I think you tend to blame any problem on the same root causes.

        My opinion is a substantial part of this is due to people forgetting how to socialize during the pandemic and the additional pressures we've all encountered over the last two years. For people that were barely making it, or not making it, the pandemic was a gigantic negative impact.

        And then add how we've tried to ignore homelessness and mental health issue because society doesn't want to give them the money and resources required to address them.

        But with all that said, mental health problems come from fundamentals. That then leads to homelessness and drug abuse. But it often starts with how people are wired.

        • kwtree says:

          David, every country has mental illness; probably, the genetic variants are the same as ours. Every country also has trauma – some more than others.

          Most countries also went through the pandemic during the same 2-3 years, or are still going through it.

          But the US is the only one with elevated homicides and suicides because of it. We're number four. Mostly due to the availability of guns, and the cowardice of politicians in limiting access to guns.

          You are partly right, though…teachers agree that many young people got "unsocialized" during the pandemic. Some 6th and 9th graders that started this year  hadn't been in a regular school environment for a year and a half.

          As far as who's on the bus in the sobering article you referenced – as long as the profit motive is the main driver in housing, there will never be "affordable housing". 

          As long as gated and covenanted communities snarl about NIMBY, there will be no "safe parking" and no transitional wrap around service communities.

        • Duke Cox says:

          Mr. Know-it-All,

          Your suggestion that my assessment of blame is somehow unsophisticated and simplistic is nothing more than an expression of your overbearing arrogance. 

          When the negative role "profit" plays in our society is discussed, those to whom it is most dear will defend it without fail. 



          • DavidThi808 says:

            kw & Duke – My brother has a for profit company that is building low income housing. The homeless shelter in Boulder, which is very nice, I’ll bet was built by a for profit contractor.

            Profit is not the enemy. And in fact, our free enterprise system, built around the concept profit, even with it’s imperfections, corruption, focus on the dollar, etc. has lead to the greatest enrichment of the human race in it’s entire history. One of the biggest issues the poor faced through history was starvation. Now one of the biggest problems is obesity. 

            The profit motive is not a cause of the problem here.  People wanting lower taxes rather than adequately funding homelessness & mental health – that is a cause. And while companies are happy to have lower taxes in general, this is directly the people, the voters, behind this policy/trade-off.

            Keep in mind our revolution to free ourselves from England was fundamentally a war against the taxes England was trying to impose. This country was founded on the argument of don’t tax me.

            And on top of that I think a big problem is people don’t see effective solutions. Say we have 20 billion for Colorado to address homelessness & mental health – what will you do with it to eliminate the problem. You can help the families where the root problem is they fell on hard times – that will work.

            But then for the rest, the giant chunk that are addicted, have serious mental health issues, etc. I haven’t seen any credible example of what can be done to fix this regardless of cost. Because if there was, people would pay a fair amount to resolve this issue.

            ps – Not replying to the ad hominem attacks. My point about not arguing with a mule…

            • Duke Cox says:

              Thank you for making my point. 

              Your lesson in understanding the plasticity of devotion to profit is appreciated but can be grouped in with other arguments based on exceptions.

              I am talking about the SYSTEM, David…not your relative who I am sure is as altruistic as all get out. But the system still uses up and spits out human beings because the system is not designed to take care of the human race. It is the exceptions to that system that provide the socially redeeming activities that help the wealthy sleep at night.

              Someone calculated that Elon Musk could give every breadwinner in America a million dollars for about the price of Twitter . You will not likely convince me of the benevolence of the invisible hand…it is usually holding a warrant or an eviction notice.



              • DavidThi808 says:

                No corporations are not designed to take care of people. That's the role of government. But that different role for corporations does not make them bad. Each has their role in a system that has worked very well for the human race.

                The problem is when corporations via their political power are able to shirk their part in this. And when the government doesn't step up to do their part.

                As to Musk, 64 billion means he could give 1 million to 64,000 people. We have a lot more breadwinners than that in the U.S.

            • kwtree says:

              David, your response is disingenuous at best. Your brother, and whichever contractor built the Boulder homeless shelter, of course received grants and incentives from government entities to get these projects done.

              Just because there are some programs around the edges to incentivize for-profit contractors  to provide affordble housing for 3% of the people who need it, does not mean that 97% of big housing investors are now off the hook for the homeless problem, and for providng affordable housing in general. 

              Even the Statewide Affordable Housing Fund, which is in the initiative signature-gathering process now, will be just one more small piece that will help a fraction of those for whom “ the rent is too damn high”. 

              I expect to see ranting on this forum  about how that .001 percent of property tax is so unfair to those who have earned their pensions and who have not asked for handouts, unlike the lazy, scamming, addcted, undeserving poors…like myself.

              Those of you who work in real estate will be against it because it gives people alternatives to the insane rents normal now. 

              I’m on four 6 -12 month waiting lists for senior affordable housing apartments. My last “affordable” apartment complex raised rents 12% “ to keep up with the market”. 
              The wait list for CHFA homes is 2-3 years. 
              Affordable housing will never be a priority as long as investors are allowed to jack up rents to whatever the market will  bear. 

              As far as what other countries are doing about homelessness, the successful ones offer permanent shelter. Duh. They have the same proportions of people with mental illness and addictions- but they offer wrap around treatment instead of merely jailing offenders. In the USA, our solution is to sweep them to another locale, take away all their stuff, and offer a fragmented, piecemeal response to temporarily ameliorate the problem. 

              • Lauren Boebert is a Worthless POS says:

                So, in addition to the free health care for all, free college and university education for all, free cheese, you also want free houses for all?

                You will need to liquidate the assets of a lot of billionaires to do that.

                Let us know how it works out….

      • Voyageur says:

        Jack London was a snarling racist who whipped up the Great White Hope hate against Jack Johnson.

  2. MichaelBowman says:

    Does anyone have intel on Dio?  Hoping he’s OK and just taking a break. 

  3. JohnInDenver says:

    Who could have seen THIS coming?  Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found

    Reveal's investigation showed True the Vote gave questionable loans to Engelbrecht and awarded contracts to companies run by her and partner Gregg Phillipps, who serves on the organization's board, and within days of receiving a $2.5 million donation to stop the certification of the 2020 election gave much of that money to a company owned by the couple and the law firm owned by conservative heavyweight James Bopp Jr. — the organization's general counsel.

    You may remember True the Vote:  it is featured in D'Souza's new feature film dramatizing her organization’s exploits, 2000 Mules.

     * "True the Vote regularly reported loans to Engelbrecht, including more than $113,000 in 2019, according to a tax filing. Texas law bans nonprofits from loaning money to directors; Engelbrecht is both a director and an employee."

    Lots of other "red flags" in the article's recital of details.

    • kwtree says:

      Catherine Engelbrecht is who Tina Peters aspires to be. Both glory in their exceeding blonde whiteness; both have made their professional reputations on the fiction of massive voter fraud, and perfected the art of postponing the show of actual evidence. 
      Well, maybe “perfected” doesn’t apply in Tina’s case, ssince she will soon be facing penalties for violating voter privacy.

      Tina attempted to create evidence of fraud  by shopping around data  she had been entrusted with. Catherine actually created several companies whose mission is to “find and expose”this imaginary fraud. Both women have gotten conservative billionaires to bankroll their efforts. 
      Tina will be held accountable by the criminal justice system. If Catherine is ever held accountable, it will be by the IRS for tax shenanigans, or by losing all credibility with funders after repeatedly being unable to produce any evidence of voter fraud. The credulous MAGA base will continue to support both women forever. 
      Catherine is better at manipulating media, and has so far evaded criminal consequences for her grift. Tina is taking notes. 

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  5. coloradosane says:

    When a minority runs/abuses/impedes a democracy its not a democracy any longer.  Just about every ill of the USA today can be traced to allowing deplorables power to stall progress and enable mass sanity. 

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