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June 06, 2011 11:02 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • by: droll

( – promoted by Colorado Pols)

Robert Francis Kennedy, November 20, 1925 – June 6, 1968

Not my personal favorite, just seemed apropos.


36 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Having lived through that period, RFK’s assassination was a knockout punch to the collective psyche of America. We’ve never recovered, imho. Whether you liked the man, the family, the stated policies or what have you, RFK was a special human being in my estimation. He was eloquent, with a singular vision of economic justice, and knew what the country needed going forward after his brothers assassination.

    This assassination was closely tied to JFK’s, and has nothing to do with Palestine, imho. It finished the job that rogue forces within the CIA, along with the mafia, ordered.

    One of the greatest coverups of all time.

    1. Both John and Robert Kennedy had made many enemies. Their deaths could have been sponsored by the CIA, the mafia, Castro, the Soviets (although very unlikely) just to name a few. Or, it is possible the two assassinations were carried out by two madmen acting alone.

      In the case of JFK, Oswald had the motive, the skills, and enough crazy in him to assassinate the President.

      And there was clear evidence that Sirhan was obsessed with killing RFK leading up to the attack.

      I personally believe the two assassinations were unrelated and carried out by two crazies in a time when political assassinations were a common occurrence.    

    2. June 6th is a very famous day for many reasons, and many who gave their lives to end tyranny.Here’s to RFK, and to all the Vets, British, Canadian, and American that were killed or wounded on June 6th, 1944.

    1. Political and general assassination attempts and successes peaked during the 1960s – 1980s.

      Among those murdered were many foreign nation political leaders, 3 U.S. ambassadors, Presidential contender Robert Kennedy, a President, a rock star John Lenon and three black leaders – Malcolm, Medgar and Martin.

      Among those shot or nearly clipped …. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ron Reagan, and George Wallace.

      In addition, eight governors, seven U.S. Senators, nine U.S. Congressmen, eleven mayors, 17 state legislators, and eleven judges have been violently attacked. No other country with a population of over 50 million has had as high a number of political assassinations or attempted assassinations


    1. He was recently caught using another name on Metafilter to respond to people criticizing Dilbert, including telling people that “Scott Adams is a genius!”

  2. No opt-out for opponents of gays in military: Gates

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates bluntly told Marines on Sunday that they won’t be able to opt out of their enlistment just because they disagree with a government decision to end a ban on gays serving openly in the military.

    Gates, who is on a tour of Afghanistan to bid farewell to the troops before stepping down at the end of the month, was quizzed by a Marine sergeant about the controversial policy during a question and answer session at a base in southwestern Helmand Province.

    “Sir, we joined the Marine Corps because the Marine Corps has a set of standards and values that is better than that of the civilian sector. And we have gone and changed those values and repealed the ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ policy,” the sergeant told Gates during the question and answer session.

    “We have not given the Marines a chance to decide whether they wish to continue serving under that. Is there going to be an option for those Marines that no longer wish to serve due to the fact their moral values have not changed?” he asked.

    “No,” Gates responded. “You’ll have to complete your … enlistment just like everybody else.”

    “The reality is that you don’t all agree with each other on your politics, you don’t agree with each other on your religion, you don’t agree with each other on a lot of things,” he added. “But you still serve together. And you work together. And you look out for each other. And that’s all that matters.”

    If teh gayz are soooo scarrryyyy that it makes some badass Marines want to pack their bags and go home, maybe we need some more of teh gayz in the military?

    1. HONOR



      I still have the little card they gave us in boot camp. I may double check it, but I don’t remember “Don’t be gay” on there anywhere.

  3. When remembering RFK’s assasination I always remember that was when Andy Warhol was also shot.  Being from Pittsburgh, I knew the Warhola family well.

    This assassination was closely tied to JFK’s, and has nothing to do with Palestine, imho. It finished the job that rogue forces within the CIA, along with the mafia, ordered.

    Agreed Sir Robin

  4. This diary seems to be missing. As you might imagine I thought it …. ‘Union Thugs Behind Citizens for Accountability’ was a very interesting diary.

    I believe this was the one that called out Mr. Han(d)cock for being tied to a paper trail involving Hookers and suggesting that he used certain undetermined services from these women … could have been constituent outreach for all I know.

    Any way where’s the union  thugs, hancock, hooker story? Why was it removed?

      1. Come on, if i recall correctly you’re a purported Republican who stands against EFCA and for Right to Work … Etc… Point me to a link at least.

    1. Why is the Republican’t Governor of Florida requiring welfare recipients to get drug testing at clinics he co-founded?

      Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott’s past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides. In April, Scott, who had transferred his ownership interest in Solantic Corp. to a trust in his wife’s name, said the company would not contract for state business, according to local media reports.

      Asked about the company Sunday, Scott said he is in the process of selling his family’s interest in the company and “it will be sold in a couple of weeks.” There is no conflict of interest, he said.

      A little Right-Wing Social Engineering with some graft and kickbacks thrown in – where’s the outrage ‘tad?

      1. forcing all those presently in or running for office in Florida to take drug tests?  Don’t the people of Florida deserve to know that their elected officials aren’t on drugs?  If they fail, their resignation will be required and a special election scheduled.  You think their Gov would sign that one?

  5. Hasn’t it always seemed that Republicans have the upper hand in the marketing language.  From ObamaCare to death tax, etc? Republicans are always coining catchphrases to fool ordinary people to support the agenda of their wealthy masters.  The Democrats’ inability to master the language of political manipulation is oft bemoaned.

    Here’s a new phrase we should all adopt when discussing the Ryan plan.

    Vouchercare Is Not Medicare


    I’ll just quote the blogger Duncan Black, who summarizes this as saying that “when we replace the Marines with a pizza, we’ll call the pizza the Marines.” The point is that you can name the new program Medicare, but it’s an entirely different program – call it Vouchercare – that would offer nothing like the coverage that the elderly now receive. (Republicans get huffy when you call their plan a voucher scheme, but that’s exactly what it is.)

  6. In a surreal press event still going on, Rep. Anthony Wiener called a press conference and was pre-empted by Andrew Breitbart, who made a number of bizarre statements before relinquishing the mic.  Almost 10 minutes later, Rep. Wiener came on and admitted that the picture we’ve seen, as well as a number of other pictures, were in fact sent by him, and that he has had “inappropriate online relationships, some after his marriage”.

    Wiener went on to note that he has not met any of these women, and that he would not be resigning.

    He’s taking questions from the press now.

        1. I’m guessing it will be something pithy and biting.

          Aside from that, it was Breitbart anchoring the story – it’s like believing the boy who cried wolf.  I don’t blame anyone who thought this was, at least at the outset, another half-faked setup.

  7. This time from the unfortunately named and pronounced Anthony Weiner.  When, oh when, will these idiots whose whole lives are about being public figures and getting as much attention as they possibly can figure out that cyberspace is no place for scoring babes and exhibitionism? They know they have hordes of enemies out to get them. They know that there are hordes of people searching out just this kind of stuff.  It’s really hard to symapthize, inspite of the tears. I don’t care if he’s a Dem and a member of the tribe.  He’s getting no sympathy from me.

      1. With Dems dreaming of taking back the House, he’s been the skunk at the picnic ever since this broke, even when there was an outside chance there was nothing to it.  Haven’t you noticed the distinct lack of love from his fellow  congressional Dems? He won’t be getting any love in the future either unless he goes back to the internet for it.  He will be getting the cold shoulder big time and the career he has built for himself is over whether he keeps his safe seat or not.  No more being the snappy go to tough progressive on cable. You kind of get the feeling he didn’t exactly have a deep well of good will to draw on.

    1. Any Progressive economic advisor has to be tearing their hair out with all the roadblocks Republicans have placed in front of any sort of aggressive economic plan.

      And even most conservative advisors would be banging their head against the wall with the whole debt ceiling issue.  Not to mention having the President and Senate opposed to any Republican type plan.

      Stalemates suck.

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