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June 01, 2011 07:24 PM UTC

Who Needs a Real Candidate, Anyway?

  • by: Colorado Pols

Our friends at the Washington Post report–in the absence of a strong contender in the current field of 2012 GOP candidates for president, 2008 vice-presidential nominee and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is, like former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, sensing “a void.”

And filling it. Sort of.

On day three of Sarah Palin’s unconventional bus tour came the most surprising moment by far. The former Alaska governor and her daughter Piper dined tonight with media mogul Donald Trump and his wife Melania at a pizza place in Times Square. Palin met Trump at his apartment in Trump Tower, near Rockefeller Center; they rode from there in his limo to the restaurant, part of a New York City chain…

“She didn’t ask me [to run with her] but I’ll tell you, she’s a terrific woman,” Trump said as they walked in. Trump’s special counsel, Michael Cohen, told reporters that the pair had talked in the past about meeting up whenever Palin found herself in New York.

The group shared pepperoni, sausage, and meatball pizzas.

Palin is staying in Jersey City, where she arrived via bus this afternoon after a short trip to Philadelphia. Tomorrow, she is expected to take an early morning boat from there to Ellis Island, before the crowds of tourists arrive. Then she will greet the first ferry of visitors before taking her boat back and hitting the road.

From there, Palin’s plans are something of a mystery, although she is expected to head for New Hampshire…

Nobody knows exactly what the goal of Palin’s odd, secretive “non-campaign” bus tour is–is she running for President? Is she thinking about doing so and gauging support? Showing the flag so Michele Bachmann doesn’t get ahead of herself? Is this just how she summer vacations now, being a bit of a carnival sideshow at this point in her “career?” On a practical level, the idea of randomly appearing in different places with little or no advance work, dodging the press instead of earning favorable press, is about as strange a political tour–campaign, pre-campaign, meta-campaign, whatever–as we’ve ever heard of. Even Charlie Sheen set up tour dates.

That said, pizza with fellow sideshow Donald Trump makes sense. Perfect sense, actually.

Tomorrow: a story about viable Republican candidates for president. Maybe?


62 thoughts on “Who Needs a Real Candidate, Anyway?

      1. There’s so much ‘honest’ concern about the lack of an anointed candidate.

        Don’t worry, guys.  Unless something miraculous happens to the economy, it simply won’t matter who we run.

        1. It really is honest concern, sweetheart. Isn’t Palin one McCain heartbeat from the Oval Office what drove you into Obama’s waiting arms where he proceeded to bend you over or something?

          I forget the exact story, but it’s cute. And you’re right about one thing, it doesn’t matter which of these jokers you ultimately decide to run.


            1. We’re all fascist handmaidens to some people. Stalking is no less icky when it’s a “Democrat.”

              We police our own, what have YOU done about Libertad? 🙂

        2. and “hand-ringing,” curiously coming from those Republican wanna-bees who are “sensing the void” in the GOP field . . .

          I’m with you ellbee, the R’s really should all just take a breath and relax.  Obama sucks.  Even a complete zot (like GWB for instance) is going to win it in 2012.  Draw lots, pick one, and get behind them — even Christine O’Donnell would be a whole lot better than what we’ve got now, right?

          (BTW, I gotta ask are you a facist who’s a hand-wringing handmaiden, or a hand-wringing handmaiden who in the employ fascists?)

            1. Truly as remarkable a feat as claiming that the meltdown of our economy and the total obstruction by Republicans to help create jobs is Obama’s fault.  Truly breathtaking.

              1. Am I really getting “gracelessness” lectures from someone who called a woman a “pussy”?

                Just checking.

                Anyway, it seemed like a friendly, if not snarky exchange, until your post. Why do you let me make you so mad? I don’t have anything against you personally, it just seems like you’re completely intolerant of someone who disagrees with you on policy.

                Oh, well.  

                1. How do you know I’m not the one who is being snarky?

                  I am not the one who has sworn allegiance to the rich and wealthy and am will sell my soul to keep them in the manner they are accustomed.

                2. I have no idea who is maile or female.

                  I have no idea if your beard is on your lip or not.

                  Who’s to say that being a pussy isn’t a personal choice?  

        3. Maybe they call it something different if it’s done by the blog themselves. But Pols is obviously on orders from Chicago to start softening up Colorado for the Obamanaut 2012 machine.

          Or maybe they just love the GOP that much? I doubt it….

  1. Just a pathetic bunch of hacks, and never will bees.  So Sara Palin is the GOOOPERS flavor of the month. HOPE THEY CHOKE ON IT!  ROTFLMAO!

  2. Four years ago we Dems were battling it out with several (not all) candidates who were qualified to be president: Obama, Clinton, Richardson, Biden, pre-scandal Edwards, etc.

    The GOP has not one, but two reality show hosts (Palin and Trump), and a bunch of other clowns who are all despised by their own party.  

    This is what happens when you don’t have a coherent political philosophy — a bunch of Bozo’s running for president.

  3. The mistakes and missteps and clowns seem to be multiplying as this race for the nominations goes forward.

    Between Trumps ridiculous “run”, Ryan’s medicare-killing proposal and the requirement that all potential nominees endorse it, and now Palin’s attempt to suck up all the media attention, how can the GOP expect to be taken seriously?

    Palin (possibly unlawfully) is using PAC money to fund her family vacation. She is attempting to get away with it by not calling it a family vacation. But when you take your family to places like the Liberty Bell, Times Square, and the Statue of Liberty but are giving no speeches, making no announcements and not speaking to the press, what do you call it? All without contacting local Partys committees.  Sounds like a family vacation to me.

    Palin continues to be about making money and grabbing as much attention as possible. She could give a shit about her state, as proven by her quitting, or the nation as a whole. She will continue to flirt with the media, the same media she claims to abhore, and cash those checks.

    1. We could be running Obama as our candidate.

      The last month has been a horror show for the U.S. economy, with economic data falling off a cliff, according to Mike Riddell, a fund manager at M&G Investments in London.

      “It seems that almost every bit of data about the health of the US economy has disappointed expectations recently,” said Riddell, in a note sent to CNBC on Wednesday.

      “US house prices have fallen by more than 5 percent year on year, pending home sales have collapsed and existing home sales disappointed, the trend of improving jobless claims has arrested, first quarter GDP wasn’t revised upwards by the 0.4 percent forecast, durables goods orders shrank, manufacturing surveys from Philadelphia Fed, Richmond Fed and Chicago Fed were all very disappointing.”

      “And that’s just in the last week and a bit,” said Riddell.

          1. In 2008, the economy was crashing from a decade of Republican miscalculations.  Unemployment was rampant and accelerating because of Republican attempts to destroy regulatory government agencies that paved the way for the derivatives debacle.  It was a time of great fear and uncertainty.

            Decisive leadership in 2009 along with government stimulus funding helped stabilize the economy even though the Republican bankers on Wall Street ripped off the taxpayers.

            Now we know that a Democratic president can find and eliminate the most notorious terrorist in the world where as in 2008 that wasn’t a priority.

            Combat operations have ended in Iraq and troop withdrawals have gone forward without a collapse of the Iraqi government.  Troops will start to be withdrawn from Afghanistan this summer.

            All and all we are better off now than if the country had been in the hands of that dumb shit Palin.  We’re definitely better off.

            1. Voting is an emotional decision, not a rational one.

              But Republicans are working hard to give Obama cover. Their efforts to strip away the last bit of security the middle class still has – Medicare and Social Security – may trump the fact that we’re heading into the second dip of the recession.  

            2. to destroy all that economic progress. They trotted out Ryan’s “plan”, saw how ridiculously unpopular it was, so now they’ve decided (per Mitch the Turtle) that everyone kills Medicare or no raising the debt ceiling. And we saw a taste of that the other night. They are willing to do this knowing that by not raising the debt ceiling they risk another national recession or depression as well as a global one. But they could give a shit.

              Republicans will be sure everything this President and/or Democrats accomplished in the last 2 years goes down in flames even if it means sacrificing the stability of the nation.

              1. will continue to blame Obama for everything that goes wrong with this economy including the predicted double dip.  They swallow everything that is shoved down their throats by Republican demagogues without gagging in the least.

                If you compare the response of the Obama administration last summer to the oil spill with the response of the Japanese government to the Tsunami you can get a feel for how important good government is in handling a crisis.  Nobody is going to give Obama any credit for his handling of BP and the gravest environmental threat to our country in recent memory but the guy was relentless in helping the little businesses along the coast and setting up programs to deal with the long term consequences.

                I also look at how Obama has handled the blatant hatred and racism directed towards him by the likes of the elbee’s of the conservative movement and I can’t help but be proud that he is the Jackie Robinson of politics.  If there is anything that defines Obama it is his class in dealing with this kind of blatant bigotry.

                We’re definitely better off having an adult in charge who loves his family and is a decent person then the bullshit being passed off as values by the Republican Gingrichs and Palins.

                1. Show me one thing I’ve ever said that you perceive to be racist, or take it back.

                  I actually don’t even know why I bother to engage you anymore.  There’s a difference between partisan, and simply creepy angry guy.  I feel like I remember a time when you weren’t so caustic, but maybe I don’t.

                  Anyway, I’ll be waiting for your apology and retraction of your racist inference.

                  1. So you are denying that your fellow conservatives haven’t engaged in the most blatant forms of racism regarding our president?

                    It’s pathetic how clumsy you are in trying to project the aura of being a victim without any recognition of the sleazy behavior of your colleagues.

                    1. with ellbee. You implied that all the “conservative movement” is guilty of the same things. As if they are all the same person. Then you called that “person” racist, in the most classic and offensive ways even. Ellbee isn’t racist, in any handles ellbee may or may not have, so you should take it back and apologize.

                      I don’t agree with ellbee that you’ve ever been different. Here’s a good chance to slide away from this particular misguided anger.

                    2. You get zero space in my head.  But you called me a racist.  Now, either show me something that I said that’s racist, or take it back and apologize.  Otherwise you’re going to look even weirder than you already do.

                      Although, I guess “racist” is a step up from “pussy”.

                    3. You make this broad sweeping statement that Obama can’t run on his record then you act offended when it is brought up that people you consider your political allies and are aligned with engage in the most dispicable racist smears possible and the most petty filibusters imaginable.  I thought Obama showed great restraint in the face of such hostility and in many ways had to curtail some of his actions to keep the country from being totally torn apart by the racists in the Republican Party.

                      And yet all you can bitch about is that I grouped you in with the trash you hang out with.  You ride with an outlaw you hang with an outlaw.

                      When are you going to apologize for the despicable behavior of Republicans toward this decent man or do you really believe photoshopped photos of Obama with monkeys is just good clean political humor?

                    4. You made it about me and straight up called me a racist.  Emphasis mine.

                      I also look at how Obama has handled the blatant hatred and racism directed towards him by the likes of the elbee’s of the conservative movement and I can’t help but be proud that he is the Jackie Robinson of politics.

                      So, either post something I said that was racist, or apologize, and retract the above statement.  Then I’ll forgive you, and we can move on.

                      I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be thought of as someone so shallow that they cry racism in the face of legitimate opposition to the President’s polices, right?

                    5. and that makes you complicit in all the hatred that was directed at this man because of his skin color.  You are an enabler of racism because you don’t condemn what was done to him and then you have the audacity to claim that Obama can’t run on his record and it is all about you.

                      I don’t expect you to show the slightest regret for the outpouring of hatred that was directed towards this man by members of your party.  You probably think it was funny and the immense effort that was directed towards trying to delegitimatize his presidency had no bearing on what he could accomplish.

                    6. You called me a racist, and can’t back it up.  What a reprehensible thing to do.  

                      Good luck.  Last time I reply to you until you can come up with something I said that was racist, just like you said.

                    7. you don’t know this guy in real life, because his replies, his denial over his own written words, border on unhinged.

                      Just try to remember that not all liberals are intolerant fuckwads that cannot make a coherent argument without throwing around accusations of racism and indulging themselves in misogyny and belittling women. And then not having the stones to man up and apologize.

                      If he treats people on an anonymous blog this way, can you imagine how he behaves in real life?

                      Seriously, move on and just thank God you aren’t him.  

              2. Here’s the thing, I think that Republicans are playing with matches at a gas station. They’ve been very vocal through this debt limit issue, Dems have been pretty quiet. Republicans now own the issue. But they’re got little or nothing to gain from it. Dems can stand pat as the defenders of Medicare. Is the deficit important? sure. Are you willing to kill Medicare to reduce it? No fuckin’ way.

                Now, if the debt limit isn’t raised, at some point government truly shuts down. Checks stop going out. Republicans are holding seniors hostage – and for what? So they can cut Medicare. and when they cut Medicare, what will they do with the savings? Hand the money over to the rich in tax cuts.

                If Dems stand pat and paint this as an attack on Medicare, Republicans will eventually cave. You can get elected without Tea Party support, but not without seniors.

                1. The reason their candidates suck is because of how far they’ve gotten from their base and common ideals.

                  IMNSHO, they need to step back, figure out what they are doing and start again. Otherwise they’ll see the occasionally swing followed by an immediate swing back until the Dems are running unchecked. I don’t think it’s hand-wringing because a strong two party system benefits everyone.

                  It’s possible that I have an idealized version of the party and its decline. Bush was elected right before I turned 16, what do I know? I’m not sure there’s a difference really anyway. The point is, figure out your stance and stick with it. Dithering doesn’t help anything except Dems. Stop the grandstanding and tell us what you really see as the best option for the country.

                  Of course, that’s not a problem for any one party alone, or for one body. It just seems more glaring atm from the GOP at a national level. And I think that when we take a look at the sort of people who have left the GOP, we see how real the problem is.

                2. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

                    1. The debt now was much more frivolously grown and is much more out of control than it was then.

                      Look, either it’s immoral to raise the debt ceiling or it’s not.

                    2. The morality of raising the debt ceiling is entirely dependent on the circumstances.

                      4 factors lead us to this point:

                      1. an ill-advised tax cut.

                      2. an ill-advised war.

                      3. free money from the fed.

                      4. an unregulated derivatives market.

                      Take out the tax cuts and war and the debt is still manageable. Take out the housing-bubble fiasco and we’re probably in surplus.

                      And if we failed to bail out the banks pass a stimulus bill, we’re probably in a depression the likes of which only our parents or grandparents have seen.

                    3. I believe that extending the tax cuts is the only sensible economic move Obama’s made yet.

                      I also don’t look at the war as optional, and I’m guessing you do, and I respect that.

                      The stimulus was a total failure.  Only a payback to unions in the public sector.  Same with the auto bailouts.

                      That depression is unfortunately still probably coming.  Business has too much uncertainty on taxes and healthcare to invest.  That’s why the employment numbers continue to be so dismal.

                    4. I think housing will torpedo the economy.

                      As house prices continue to fall, more people are underwater on their mortgage. People who are drowning don’t buy stuff. It doesn’t matter what taxes and healthcare cost if nobody is buying.

                      With the current glut of houses, it’s unlikely that housing will turn around anytime soon.  

                  1. The fact that we’re here with a debt that’s out of control is a leadership failure – failure of Republicans to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, failure of DOD dependent districts to accept deeper funding cuts in unnecessary programs, failure of both parties to talk about matching spending and revenue honestly – that means increasing revenue and decreasing spending, failure of pretty much anyone for not talking seriously about either ending the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq or raising taxes (finally) to cover them, failure of both sides (but primarily one side cough Republicans cough) of negotiating in good faith to bring the budget under control…

                    That’s a failure in leadership.

                    It’s also a fact that we’re here, and we need to raise the debt ceiling – now – and the CBO has already discounted the GOP’s “money-saving” plans as money-wasting at worst and slow and insufficient at best.

                    So call out the need to raise the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership again.  Call out the President, call out timid Senate Democrats, and call out the Republicans in both houses for not doing the work (a) in the last administration or (b) last year when the time came to bring our budget more in to balance – heck, blame the Republicans any number of times in the past couple of months for not taking the right first steps and reforming our oil subsidies (or Democrats for salvaging an overspent NASA program last year).

                    But raise the debt ceiling now and quit playing games with it.

                    1. It was a failure in leadership but isn’t now.

                      Hmm.  I wonder why that is?

                    2. The fact that we have to increase the debt ceiling is a leadership failure – and I went into long detail on all the failed leadership from all sides.

                      The fact that we have to increase the debt ceiling is also reality, and there is nothing we can do immediately that will resolve that fact.

                      We have a budget due (theoretically) by September.  Address our deficit spending issues in that, where it belongs – and where there’s a serious negotiation going on right now.  In the meantime, there’s little you can do about short term spending or revenue to address this year’s debt problems, so pass the debt ceiling increase now and stop making the country look like partisan fools debating whether it’s better to have the country in a technical default on its debt.

                    3. From the Dems for almost 800 days.  Is that just theory as well?

                      Punting is not leading.

                    4. 1) The Democrats passed a 2008-2009 budget bill in 2008, and sent it to President Bush.  They passed an omnibus spending bill to accompany it in early 2009, signed by President Obama.

                      2) In 2009, for the 2009-2010 budget, Democrats passed the budget exactly 100 days into Obama’s term.  The final spending bill for the year was passed in December 2009.

                      3) For the 2010-2011 budget, no budget resolution was passed – and most of the final spending bills were also held up – in large part because of Senate slowdowns, and also because some conservative Democrats wanted to wait until the December 2010 Deficit Reduction Commission report (which was never official, because the Commission failed to achieve the votes necessary to approve it…).  However, the final spending bills were approved after much negotiation earlier this year, so I’d say we aren’t waiting on last year’s budget any more…

                      4) For the 2011-2012 budget, Republicans in the House have produced a budget plan, but it is not a plan that either Democrats in the Senate nor the Democratic President (notice two out of three there say “Democratic”) will consider, nevermind sign – and neither will the moderate Republicans still in the Senate.  Blaming Democrats for not having a budget plan when it takes two to tango is more than a bit partisan and misleading at best.

                      So, almost 800 days late would imply more than two years without a budget, which is demonstrably false.  Get better talking points.

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