14 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread”

1. Question of the day – What if they never develop a vaccine? There's no guarantee that one will be found (see HIV, Ebola). It's likely, but not definite.

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   1. It will suck without effective treatment

      The infectiousness and mortality based on best available data means C19 would be around killing people for a generation.
      IF exposure resulting infection results in immunity for survivors, maybe less.

       

       

       

       

       

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      1. No immunity.

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   2. I can’t see no vaccine ever being developed.  In fact, quite the opposite — I can see several “vaccines” being too quickly developed.  The economic, political, and emotional incentives are just too enormous.

      The QsOThatD will be — are any of them truly effective and sufficiently safe?  Is the rushed science that produced them still good science, or a manipulated, anecdotal, lobbyist-driven science?  Can we trust the results — when?  For how long?  What will we learn of the downside of these “miracles,” five or ten years hence?  What are the uncounted externalities that we will find out about of these early-2021 first-generation “miracles” that got purchased for marginally-beneficial results?

      I’m the opposite of an anti-vaxxer, but I’m in no rush to be volunteered up as another guinea pig a world-wide lab experiment, given the gleeful embrace of crappy nonscience by this current generation of crapheaded political leaders and decision makers and bottom-line driven drug manufacturers . . .

      There’s about as many good-brained, Liberty University and FOXnews educated, “scientists” roaming America right now as there are “constitutional scholars” . . . it ain’t helping.  This is our harvest of fruit for living in a world that countenances the existence of “alternative facts” and corporately-purchased governance . . . 

       

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      1. "flipper babies"

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         1. That wasn't a vaccine, Dave. It was a drug to prevent nausea in pregnant women.

             

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   3. Without a vaccine, there will be two choices:  extraordinary efforts to stamp on every outbreak (e.g., Ebola) OR live with the infection's spread (e.g., HIV-AIDS) and hope the combination of non-pharmaceutical interventions and some treatments will limit the harm.

      Heard someone discussing that the coronavirus will soon lose its "novel" status, and cannot be eradicated — too many people have it, too many "asymptomatic" carriers, plus apparently a non-human well of infection. 

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      1. HIV comparison is … silly.
         Unless HIV mutates and becomes airborne.

         Even then – we have effective treatments.

          

         Better comparison would be plague.

         Or Ebola – with lower mortality

         Or the cold – with much higher mortality

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2. This is going to hurt Boulder – a lot.

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   1. It may be bad for college towns, but it could be good for other reasons. If people just don't have the money to send their kids to college, it may finally break us out of the mindset that everyone from doctors to dishwashers needs a degree to get a reasonable job. 

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   2. Economic impact of CU-Boulder …

      But they have a plan:  Fall 2020 Planning: Building a Boulder Campus Experience

      Informed by the latest data, science and public health guidance, our campus is taking steps to create an innovative in-person, residential experience that will keep our community—including our most vulnerable populations—safe, ensure access and quality for our students and advance our academic and research mission during the COVID-19 era this fall.

      Well, there's plan A. 

      By or before June 1

      • Anticipated announcement of structure for Fall 2020 plans

      • Implementation begins, with coordination by the Provost and Deans

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3. Barr says he doesn’t envision investigations of Biden, Obama

    

   WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Monday that he did not expect an investigation into the origins of the FBI’s Russia investigation to lead to criminal probes of either President Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, or former President Barack Obama.

   Trump has stated without evidence that he believes Obama committed unspecified crimes as president, repeatedly tweeting, “OBAMAGATE!” The claims have become a rallying cry among Trump supporters, while Democrats view it as a desperate attempt to shift the focus from the president’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak and the nation’s soaring unemployment.

    

   https://apnews.com/ee73e336bdb6d5b20ade50bc07ec5581

    

   "Does not expect" …"Does not envision"

   Puhleeze!

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   1. https://www.theonion.com/just-know-it-s-far-worse-than-whatever-president-water-1843526810

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   2. Her emails and the pizza place.
       

      Barr is going to open some bs investigation or indictment of Biden or the VP running mate in …. late August.

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