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September 22, 2010 03:50 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“‘I have done that,’ says my memory. ‘I cannot have done that’–says my pride, and remains adamant. At last–memory yields.”

–Friedrich Nietzsche

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  1. Does it strike anyone else that while certainly nice to build these trains here with American labor, it is still foreign owned?  And probably a huge part of upper management will be German, if our Japanese car building in America experience holds true.  And profits head off to Tokyo or Dresden or wherever unless tax laws discourage that (NOT!) or the company is enlightened.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I’d much rather see foreign investment in America than just sending us the goods.

    But I guess I want it all.  Like it used to be.  American companies, American labor, American consumers of same products.  

        1. Mass civilian casualties. People cooked as they tried to escape into the canals. Pavement boiled. Mass destruction against the Geneva Conventions and all moral standards, even for war.  

          A real blot on the image of America as a good nation in war. (Whatever that is!)

          2. why Dresden is more infamous than all the other firebombed cities? There weren’t any major German or Japanese cities that weren’t firebombed as far as I know. As a matter of fact, while the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrifying, fewer people were killed in those raids than in one night in Tokyo.

    3. mainly because the filthy rich who own everything are pretty international in their earning and their spending, so whether they’re American or not, they likely are paying little to no taxes to our governments, and they are likely spending as much abroad as they do here even if they don’t live here.

  2. Apparently our President is either too busy or can’t afford to stand side by side with Bennet, Markey et.al.for fear of further damaging their poll effectiveness.

    So, change the story from the voting record and failed political policies …. Mrs. 1st Lady can get away with saying some pithy things and not being tagged with all the failed policies.

    1. to keep the peoples focused on getting a job so they can pay taxes and pay higher insurance premiums…

      A man goes into the hospital for a vasectomy. Before the procedure the

      nurse comes in and takes his vitals, then tells him to take all of his

      clothes off. When he is fully undressed she instructs him to lie down on

      the table. The man obeys. The nurse then takes all of her clothes off and

      climbs on top and has her way with him. Upon the completion of the act the

      man catches his breath and asks what that was all about. The nurse informs

      the patient that studies have shown that before a vasectomy if the man has

      an ejaculation, he will be more relaxed and that the vasec is easier for

      the surgeon to locate and sever.

      The nurse then wheels the patient to the operating room. While they are

      going down the hall the patient sees six men in a room jerking-off.

      Curious, the man asks “What are they doing in there”?

      The nurse responds, “They are getting vasectomies too, but you have Blue

      Cross and they have Obama Care.”

        1. so don’t let your head explode here wabbitt…chillax (?) its a joke.

          I’m shocked you didn’t rifle off a comment denying the existance of rationing under Obamacare.

      3. an erection is considered a “pre-existing condition”. Blue cross then would never pay for the vasectomy. even if the mans premium payments were up to date.

                1. doesn’t make it public domain.

                  They keep saying Buck is either stupid or lying, and I tell them nobody could be that stupid. Then I read your posts, and I’m not so sure anymore.

                  1. his defensive reaction has been to avoid debates on the substantive issues … like his record.

                    Obamacare bill – 2,200+ pages

                    Obamacare regulations – 4,500 pages (and counting)

      4. Big health insurers to stop selling new child-only policies



        http://www.latimes.com/health/…

        Major health insurance companies in California and other states have decided to stop selling policies for children rather than comply with a new federal healthcare law that bars them from rejecting youngsters with preexisting medical conditions.

        Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna Inc. and others will halt new child-only policies in California, Illinois, Florida, Connecticut and elsewhere as early as Thursday when provisions of the nation’s new healthcare law take effect, including a requirement that insurers cover children under age 19 regardless of their health histories.

        The action will apply only to new coverage sought for children and not to existing child-only plans, family policies or insurance provided to youngsters through their parents’ employers. An estimated 80,000 California children currently without insurance – and as many as 500,000 nationwide – would be affected, according to experts.

      6. … that there is NO “ObamaCare” in that there actually is no new health plan enacted by the the recent health law?

        You can keep telling a lie all you want; that doesn’t make it true.

      7. He’s done the following in recent weeks:

        (1) Flat-out plagiarize

        (2) Post a diary about Tancredo and then delete it after he didn’t like several comments

        (3) Post a lengthy Tancredo press release to no fewer than THREE different threads

        (4) Post a sexually explicit joke as a diary — then, after you deleted it, he reposted it in an open thread.

        H and BJ and others at least have points to make; Libertad seems hell-bent on fucking with this site.

          1. Typology of the Conservatives on Pols

            (1) Crazy Ignoramus: BJ is a crazy ignoramus who declares facts he doesn’t like to be a “hoax,” who believes long-disproven right-wing tall tales (“death panels”), and who takes a bigoted view of the crudaderific superiority of his religion — but he’s not a troll like Lib (see point 3 below).

            (2) Troll ignoramus: Lib is as ignorant as BJ but also (a) an asshole on a deep personal level (see his shit-talking about war wounds to Dan) and (b) a troll whose primary goal is to fuck with this blog, in ways serious (eg plagiarism, spam, deletions after he dislikes) and stupid (posting multiple pictures of Christie and Tancredo on the theory it’ll annoy us).

            (3) Fully Functioning Homo Sapiens: I basically have no issues with H and LB despite deep disagreements as to values, and occasionally fact disputes about what this or that policy really does; sometimes these disagreements piss me off enough to get strident, but they’re not in BJ’s or Lib’s league by a longshot. Barron can be a little wacky but is just as ok.

        2. only pols can do that.   As an FPE, I can promote or edit them, but don’t think I can delete them and haven’t tried.  

          Libby worries me a little for the degree to which he takes long stories, including an entire column from The Dead Tree Paper That Must Not Be Named and posts them, raising the spectre of legal problems.

             But as to cutting and pasting a dirty joke — no copyright problem there, gentlemen, merely an issue of taste.  

      1. It must have been how the failed Friedman-esque policies of the past 30 years nearly crashed the entire global economy. Yeah, that’s what it was. Thanks for reminding me.

    1. Let’s celebrate that at least some women can legally practice their right to choose. These mothers chose to see their zygotes through pregnancy and become children. Too bad so many out there want to deny women who have legitimate need not to do the same with their zygotes the choice not to have them.

    2. It’s stories like this that always shut liberals up. All I hear from them are crickets. Hard to face the babies they would rather kill when they survive and grow up to have a voice.

      1. Seriously, you were under the impression people here actually played L’s videos?

        Do you think we also make poster-size blowups of his repeatedly posted photos of Tancredo and Chris Christie? I know L has them on his basement wall, but anyone else?

              1. Crickets because we, the sane, do not watch L’tard’s videos.  We can’t respond to something we choose to not waste time on.

                It’s not just the topic or the likely perspective, it’s the quantity.  

                Time for a sundowner here on the coast…….

                    2. Resolved Question

                      What does the bible say about smoking marijuana?

                      is it a sin or can i still do this and be a christian???

                       

                      Best Answer – Chosen by Asker

                      While The Bible doesn’t name it, it DOES say we are to put only natural things into our bodies and marijuana is a totally natural herb that until made illegal, was used by many cultures in many ways for it’s healing ability. (Smoked, drank as tea, used in cooking.) And those ancient people lived long, healthy lives.

      1. Is there a meaningful debate on how to address any of the major, pressing problems, as opposed to slogans about “big government” or “shrink the deficit” (how TBD after I’m elected)?

  6. So, eight City Council members from Bell, CA are arrested on corruption charges.  This is the group that paid city managers, etc. into the high six figures, far above national averages for a city that size.

    Newsbusters took a look at it, and lo and behold, the non-biased media just plum forgot to mention that all were Dems.  I’m shocked I tell you – shocked!

    Today, eight city council members were arrested in Bell, California for what Los Angeles County District Attorney labeled “corruption on steroids.” Thus far, every major news outlet that has reported on the story has omitted the fact that all eight individuals arrested are Democrats.

    These glaring omissions come only weeks after NewsBusters reported that of the 351 stories on the then-brewing controversy, 350 had omitted party affiliations, and one had mentioned they were Democrats only in apologizing for not doing so sooner.

    ABC, CBS, the Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, Bloomberg, USA Today, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and the San Francisco Chronicle all reported on the arrests today without mentioning party affiliations.

    2. Though you shure would like to say it does.

      I am sure republicans freely acknowledge corrupt republicans belonging to the republican party.

      (eyes rolling)

      What happened in Bell, CA really is the current council followed the example of the last. just this one got caught.

      I do not know what the political affiliation makeup of the last council was, but they DID get away with it.

      I am happy heads are rolling in Bell. Regardless of the criminals affiliation. are You LB? or are you just happy they were all Democrats?

      1. As frequently as I disagree with LB, he’s got a point.

        On CO Pols there have been an uncountable number of posts highlighting a Republican’s transgressions/ethical lapses/hikes in old eroding mountain ranges/etc. And the tendency in these posts is to tar the entire Republican brand for these actions of the few ok, it’s many. 😉

        Thus, I can see the humor in LB’s pointing out the political affiliation of the Bell CA Baddies – and he was honored with the kneejerk response that I bet he was expecting.

        On the other hand, these folks are all Californians, so regardless of their party affiliations, they are intrinsically evil.

        On the third hand, really, LB, you don’t need to stoop to poor grammar. In your case, it is a distraction.  

        1. …occasionally to remind people of how ludicrous EFCA is.  I don’t generally spend too much time being insulting.  It usually means you’ve already lost the debate.

            1. But I did have two intelligent posters ask me why I’d use the term, and then got to explain my usage.

              Plus I’m the engineer on the asshole train today.

      1. Like John Wayne Gacy, as I explained to SXP last week.

        Oops!  Did I say R?  He was a Dem precinct captain, and it has nothing to do with the nefarious, evil things he perpetrated.

        I only wish that reality slid across the aisle to everyone here at Pols.

  7. For the one and only time in my life.  Some things are just too sweet to pass up.

    Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos. U.S. Senate. 9/18-9/19. Likely Voters. MoE 3.8% (6/27 results)

    Ron Johnson (R) 52 (43)

    Sen. Russ Feingold (D) 41 (45)

    An enormous enthusiasm gap, coupled with a Republican nominee fresh from a decisive primary win and unsullied by the primary process, has catapulted Republican nominee Ron Johnson to a double-digit advantage over incumbent Democrat Russ Feingold, according to PPP’s poll of the state on behalf of Daily Kos

    .

    1. But thank God Republicans are finally kissing billionaire ass in public. It was so icky when you used to do it in the elevator and pretend not to.

      It’s true, lots of money helps win elections, and Republicans are the party of the rich. I wouldn’t brag about that if I were you, but then I’m not on any billionaire payroll.

    2. now you’re making up distinctions between corps and unions vis a vis the first amendment?!  How do you have time to be wrong on so many things at once?

      also, the case you’re trying to praise is not called “citizens union” (add that to your long list of mis-accomplishments)

  9. I have been trying all morning to get a picture I copied from the web to paste as a comment post.  I am not having any success even though I have tried every different format that I can think of.  Does the picture have to be in some special format for it to be able to copy?  Thank you dearies.

    1. If the picture is already on the web, just link to it with an <img> tag:

      <img src=’url_of_the_image’>

      Where url_of_the_image is the actual URL of where it is.  Just make sure the URL is in quotes.

      You can also control the width and height of the image so it doesn’t blow Pols’ formatting;

      <img src=’url’ width=’somenumber in pixels’ height=’someothernumber in pixels’>  Just make sure the numbers are proportional to the original size or the image will stretch vertically or horizontally.  You can also use percentages of the original, as in width=’50%’ height=’50%’.  But if the original image ls less than 640 pixels wide, don’t worry about it.

      Use the Preview button to make sure it’s working the way you want.

  10. By leaving a voice mail on a lobbyist’s machine like this one from a certain U.S. represntative:

    This is, uh, [redacted], Congress…[redacted]. Uh, I noticed that you have given to uh, other colleagues on the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. I am a, um, senior member, a 20-year veteran and am chair of the [redacted]. I’m handling the largest economic development project in the United States now, [redacted] along with uh, 15 other, uh, sites here for, that are part of the stimulus.

    I was, frankly, uh, uh, surprised to see that we don’t have a record, so far as I can tell, of your having given to me despite my uh, long and deep uh, work. In fact, it’s been my major work, uh, on the committee and subcommittee it’s been essentially in your sector.

    I am, I’m simply candidly calling to ask for a contribution. As the senior member of the um, committee and a subcommittee chair, we have (chuckles) obligations to raise, uh funds. And, I think it must have been me who hasn’t, frankly, uh, done my homework to ask for a contribution earlier. So I’m trying to make up for it by asking for one now, when we particularly, uh, need, uh contributions, particularly those of us who have the seniority and the chairmanships and are in a position to raise the funds.

    I’m asking you to give to [redacted]. I’ll send you a follow-up note with appreciation for having heard me out. Thanks again.

    Maybe we should just encourage Craigslist to replace Sex Services with a new category: Political Offices.

    Awhile back there was lots of gnashing and snarling about a certain candidate’s practice on his way from the office of sliding past a townhouse in a far off place to pocket contributions for his campaign. The news angle was that his then-leading opponent was using the same townhouse! Long forgotten — or not, as the case may be.

    What struck me about the voice mail above wasn’t the contents–expected from both sides, to be sure–but the gross stupidity of the wording. If nothing else, the sender deserves to be defeated on simple grounds that s/he is too stupid to be influencing legislation!

    Democracy? Government that derives its powers from the consent of the governed? That’s so 5th grade history.

    Corporatocracy is the word we want now, rights fully protected, just as it says there in the Immutable Immortal Divine Document. And, comrades, let’s not pretend it isn’t done equally on both sides, so kindly don’t inflate everyone’s electric bill by suggesting that this is a partisan issue.

    Think party labels mean something? I don’t either.

    If we can get propositions with numbers in the 60s on the ballot, why not Proposition One: NO CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR CANDIDATES FOR PUBLIC OFFICE on penalty of having your executive washroom key taken away for a week! And if the Supremes insist it requires an amendment, well, if amend we must, amend we shall. Gentlemen, start your amenders. Vroom, vroom.

    PS: I’ve got another amendment waiting to go, while we’re in the process.

  11. courtesy of Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary:

        After three decades of flat wages during which almost all the gains of growth have gone to the very top, the middle class no longer has the buying power to keep the economy going. It can’t send more spouses into paid work, can’t work more hours, can’t borrow any more. All the coping mechanisms are exhausted. …

       So what’s the answer? Reorganizing the economy to make sure the vast middle class has a larger share of its benefits. Remaking the basic bargain linking pay to per-capita productivity.

    2. why would the powerful, wealthy elite want to change anything?  I heard a brief excerpt from a Donald Trump interview today – the honorable Mr Trump warns (threatens) that if we let tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy expire, the wealthy will just move out of the good old USA.  Oh, horrors!  We can’t let that happen!

  12. catchya in a week or so

    ps H-man, LB, Wilson, AS, Gecko, Ellie, marilou, OBR … feel free to lay-in youtube videos or other evidence of the Democrat’s failed economic policies.

    1. Here’s the latest.  Kathleen Parker talked about it in her column.

      I have never been a fan of presidents who place blame on their predecessors or who accept credit for events that couldn’t have been engineered so soon in their tenure. Politicians will always massage the data to tell the story their way. Bill Clinton’s happy economy surely owed some credit to Reagan. George W. Bush’s ill fortunes surely had at least some of their roots in Clinton’s lack of attentiveness. Obama clearly inherited a load of fertilizer, but his policies also have exacerbated those effects. Obama’s successor most certainly will benefit or suffer to some degree from seeds the current president planted.

      Nevertheless, it is probably fair to say that Obama’s ideas were too big for America’s appetite. It would have been nice had he made a few incremental repairs to the economy and left the transformative events for a less stressful time.

      1. Her view of America ends at the Beltway.

        That said, this quote explains why I don’t:

        It would have been nice had he made a few incremental repairs to the economy and left the transformative events for a less stressful time.

        The economy was too messed up for incrementalism.  As it is, the stimulus was too small.

  14. and it’s not just about policies.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…

    I believe the exact wording, from a paid staffer of Senator Saxby Chambliss (R,GA), was

    All faggots must die.

    They were celebrating Chambliss’ vote to filibuster the defense appropriations bill. Sounds like somebody in the Senator’s office heard the dogwhistle a little too loud and clear.

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