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January 21, 2020 06:33 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Fear follows crime and is its punishment.”



27 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

    1. I know it’s hard to understand.

      But many Bernie supporters don’t like Hillary and Bill. And most Bernie supporters hate the Democratic party that now represents and caves into the Wall street elite. Like the Clintons.

      Many of those same Bernie supporters would have loved Warren more – but she’s so friendly with the party elite, which is corrupt, that we get to thinking maybe she’s not as tough as we hope.

      Bernie is an outsider- has been for years and years. Of course no one in her party likes him. Of course she doesn’t like him. None of the D elites like him.

      Her saying it out loud only makes him more popular . Go ahead, DNC: rig the 16 primary , lose the 16 general and and challenge him to be cool and then do it twice At his age, with no money no party friends and no hope of the party elite getting behind him.

      she couldn’t do it.

      So it’s not revenge. It’s narcissistic hooey. Is she promoting a book? oh.. movie. got it. 

      1. It’s a Jedi mind game being played on the Nutters. If Hillary doesn’t like him wouldn’t good ol’ Merikans like our resident troll be more likely to #FeelTheBern and vote for Bernie?

    2. Oh, grow up, Hillary.  We fought like lions for you in08 and 16. And, yes, the snarly gnarly bernie crowd is both hateful and stupid at times — all times in the case of nina turner.

      But if bernie is nominated, he’s the only alternative to four more years of fascism, which would wreck the federal courts for decades and forever destroy America’s role in the world.

      My guide in these things is Winston Churchill.  A lifelong anti-communist, he shared Britain modest resources with Josef Stalin’s USSR after Hitler invaded ..  Challenged on his policy, he replied “If Hitler invaded Hell, I would at least make a favorable reference to the devil in the House of  Commons!”

       Never, ever Trump.

  1. Bolton?
    I think they're claiming to be working hard to not allow him to testify so that he will testify. 
    Who cares?

    Smart leaders will ignore Bolton and let him crawl off to some academic role where wide eyed undergrads can learn about Kissinger, Agnew and Cheney and the Bushes and how great it couldda, wouldda been if only. Maybe one of them will have bone spurs or a guard /reserve connection that will allow them to advocate sending someone else to suffer and die in the American Dream they only read about.

    1. Grown ups have grudges, too. 

      But most of us weigh larger consequences, and agree with Lyndon Johnson (on J. Edgar Hoover):

      “It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.”

      Or agree with FDR

      Historians disagree about whether FDR was referring to the older Somoza or to Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic when he said, “He’s a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.”

      Clinton’s remark is amazingly blind to consequence — going after Bernie now means reminding many people why they voted for Bernie in 2016, and thus driving turnout for Bernie.

            1. I am confident that in her circles she does get pressure to run again.
              Not so much from Bill or Chelsea – though maybe

              but the rest of the deep pocket Ds she's around 

              Not from fake D's like me – what would be different ?
              She lost to the same guy … what's changed?

              1. Answer: Not much. Zuckerberg still sucks ass, and the cesspool that is Facebook will again have an outsized impact on the election. Maybe Hills would dust off the reset button and jazz things up by sending low level staffers to Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Totally out of the box thinking, I know…

      1. And hardening them against an eventual non-Sanders nominee, as others in the party who share her feelings, or whose feelings hers serve, reinforce her message.

  2. WOTD from Vox: "What we still haven't learned from Gamergate"

    Violence against women is a predictor of other kinds of violence. We need to acknowledge it. 

    2014 should have been the year the cultural conversation began to acknowledge how serious aggression toward women really is. It wasn’t.

    One of the most frustrating things about watching Gamergate unfold is that the seeds of it had been in place for years. Targeted online harassment against women had been occurring for years, across numerous communities, from men who spent years harassing one woman who complained of getting hit on at a professional conference to harassment of actorsfor playing unlikable women.

    It remains difficult for many to accept the throughline from online abuse to real-world violence against women, much less the fact that violence against women, online and off, is a predictor of other kinds of real-world violence. The dots are there — we just have to connect them.

  3. As with Twitter's "There's Always A Tweet" for that from Trump, now both William Barr and Alan Dershowitz have been caught doing 180 degree logical acrobatics in order to conjure up a defense for Trump from absolutely nothing.

    Scholars have roundly rejected a central argument of President Trump’s lawyers that abuse of power is not by itself an impeachable offense. But it turns out that another important legal figure has contradicted that idea: Mr. Trump’s attorney general and close ally, William P. Barr.

    But Mr. Barr tempered his theory [that the President is above the law] with a reassurance. Even without the possibility of criminal penalties, he wrote, a check is in place on presidents who abuse their discretionary powers — impeachment.

    Here's Dershowitz opinion in 1998:

    “If you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don’t need a technical crime.”

    Scholars scoff at Trump's defense arguments

    ‘Constitutional Nonsense’: Trump’s Impeachment Defense Defies Legal Consensus

    Mr. Bowman — whose scholarship on impeachment law is cited in a footnote in the Trump legal team brief — called the arguments in that brief “a well-crafted piece of sophistry that cherry-picks sources and ignores inconvenient history and precedent.”

    And Mr. Bowman is not at all pleased that his scholarship was misrepresented by Trump's team.

    But of course, their arguments aren't for public consumption as much as it is for an audience of 53 Senators:

    But the argument is politically convenient for Mr. Trump. For any moderate Republican senator who may not like what the facts already show about his campaign of pressure on Ukraine, the theory provides an alternative rationale to acquit the president.

    1. Dershowitz is the Richard Dawkins of the celebrity lolyer biz. Why anyone ever pays any attention to anything he has to say is a mystery, but he's definitely a primo example of how easily trash rises to the top here in the good ol' U. S. of A.

      lol Barr. You knew there'd be some real shit when he got the AG job and told an interviewer that his reputation didn't matter because he's old and already had his career. In that regard, he hasn't disappointed.

  4. So many mean comments about Hillary. This is the same person you held up as a “guiding star” for America just three short years ago, the smartest woman in politics, etc etc. Now you are coming to the realization that she is mean, small and of little consequence, (everybody knows that) resulting in the election of Donald Trump. Welcome home.

    1. Now you are coming to the realization that she is mean, small 

      You say that like you think it's a bad thing. Trump is mean and small.  But you seem to like him despite that.  Or maybe because of that.

    2. Actually, the American people voted for Hillary over the fascist Trump regime by a majority of three million votes.  Only the corrupt relic of slavery known as the electoral college voted for fascism.  

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