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July 20, 2010 03:44 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.”

–Gautama Buddha


49 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. When do we see Romanoff’s numbers?

    I thought reports were due last week?

    I know, I know, he’s got offices all over the state, he’s up on tv, therefore he must have had a good 2Q, etc and yada yada

    But when ?

  2. And everyone’s bs detector should be set on high.

    This is the time for outlandishness and really tall claims because if it is sensational enough to capture attention, it’s almost impossible to explain or learn the real story until it’s too late.

    Two ColPols posters have reported getting push polled.

    A local radio talk show guy finds a snip of CSPAN from May 2009 and spins a tale.

    I’d just as soon talk about Tancredo all day every day for the next few days, but that will depend on him. (Run Tanc Run)  

    1. What?  you don’t like it when the annointed prince Bennet is caught in a BS vote?  Bennet & Udall did the same one year ago with the Conceal & Carry vote (which also concerned Credit Card Reform).  Seems that Bennet honestly doesn’t give a rats azz about the general public, just his own lily white padded rear.

      Bennet’s a boy born of privilege and it’s apparent he feels he deserves the Senate seat even if it means screwing the majority of Colorado voters.  

      1. In the case of this particular story you don’t know what it is.

        Perhaps- as has been poiinted out before more than once – the amendment would have killed the bill. But Udall and Bennet wanted to show Sanders they supported it.

        The video looks procedural to me.

        But whatever was really going on, why now?

        This was in May 2009. It strikes me as a little coincidental that this comes out just as the ballots are going in the mail. Just to give guys like you a chance to vent. over and over and over and over.

  3. Big swing among Independents, Cizilla reports in the Washington Post:

    Forty-nine percent of those tested said they preferred a generic Democratic candidate for Congress while 43 percent said they would opt for a generic Republican. Democrats’ six point margin represents a bump from the Gallup data earlier this month — Democrat 47 percent, Republican 46 percent — and marks the first time that Democrats have had a statistically significant edge on the question so far this election cycle.

    The reason for Democrats’ upward movement in the poll appears to be independent voters where Republicans now hold a four point generic edge (43 percent to 39 percent), a major drop from Gallup polling earlier this month that showed the GOP with a 14-point margin.

    How’s that Tea thingy workin’ out for ya?

    I’ve never put much stock in generic polls–other than a mood of the national electorate sort of thing–and note this report from Bloomberg:

    Republican candidates have the financial lead in most of the 15 competitive races for U.S. House seats in which Democratic incumbents aren’t running again, Federal Election Commission reports show.

    Republicans in 10 of the open-seat races had more money in their campaign bank accounts as of June 30 than the Democratic contenders who are striving to keep the seat in their party’s column. Democrats held the financial edge in the other five races.

    The Republican fundraising edge and opinion-poll findings provide evidence that the party is poised to pick up House seats in the November congressional elections.

    Still the GOP’s embrace of the crazy could repel significant numbers of Independent voters this fall, and turn what should be a strong Republican year into an OK one at best.  

      1. are they still an attractive force, drawing people in the center toward them, or have they become a repulsive force, repelling people in the center away from them? Yes, they will be loud and energized, but their impact may be the opposite of what it was a year ago. The relevance of the new generic polling data is that the latter possibility seems to be increasing in probability (though is still far from a certainty).

        Though it’s just marginally meaningful anecdotal evidence, I’ve noticed more and more repudiations of the Tea Party by moderate Republican friends and acquaintances of mine (accompanied by a small surge of moderate Republican supporters in my district). Combined with this poll, it is an encouraging sign.

        1. But, Dems have consistently underestimated the power of this group.  I sense, too, that their tactics are changing.  Palin appears to be targeting key congressional districts and she is very powerful.  In Colorado, the focus is going to be on illegal immigration, IMHO.  I suspect that they will also be successful with the “clear the bench” and the awful initiatives…”60, etc.  And I predict that ken buck is the next teaparty senator from Colorado.

          Rand Paul is still leading in Kentucky; Harry Reid has not pulled ahead of his teaparty opponent in Nevada.  

          Finally, on republican talk radio, the callers seem to be weighing in on the side of McInnis.  Once the primaries are over, we shall see the real power of the GOP and its little teaparty sister.

    1. Small town in Garfield County where 300 people came out for a fund raiser and to show their support.  Scott and Lori lived in this rural community for many years before moving to Grand Junction when he was in Congress.  

      A side note – Scott and his campaign have been receiving an overwhelming number of calls and e-mails of support.  

      The reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.  

      1. Or even a ballpark figure? I’d like to know how many supporting calls and emails he and his campaign have actually received.

        No? Of course you don’t. Because the number isn’t really that impressive.

      2. He couldn’t have made it as far as he has without having a fair-sized staunchly loyal base. More sober observers might quibble over the use of the word “overwhelming,” but, undoubtedly, many die-hards have voiced their support.

        That’s not where the story is; it’s what the rest of the voters, neither those who would never have voted for him, nor those who were going to vote for him no matter what, but those who were still in play, are going to do.

        Personally, I think that plagiarism and fraud should tank his candidacy, but it’s still possible that they won’t.

      3. Three scenarios, from most likely to least likely:

        A) Maes wins.

        B) McInnis wins, and is forced out by the party.

        C) McInnis wins, won’t leave the race, and loses the general election.

  4. The media conspiring to bury the Jeremiah Wright story during the election?

    No!  Surely not!(Emphasis mine).

    Others went further. According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage.

    In one instance, Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independent urged his colleagues to deflect attention from Obama’s relationship with Wright by changing the subject. Pick one of Obama’s conservative critics, Ackerman wrote, “Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares – and call them racists.”

    Michael Tomasky, a writer for the Guardian, also tried to rally his fellow members of Journolist: “Listen folks-in my opinion, we all have to do what we can to kill ABC and this idiocy in whatever venues we have. This isn’t about defending Obama. This is about how the [mainstream media] kills any chance of discourse that actually serves the people.”

    1. Shocking…oh wait, that was before, under the last guy.  And as we all know history stopped, then reset Jan 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM.

      Oh noes!!! Journalists have opinions too! Nefarious liberals out to shape an agenda, because if only Americans would have heard one more story about Jeremiah Wright–such as yourself LB–they wouldn’t have voted for Obama.  

      Good thing there is the ‘fair & balanced’ channel and sites like the Daily Caller from which the pure and objective truth can be presented impartially to us, afterall they report we decide.  

        1. What matters is how they reported. And even if they did cross the line somewhere, who cares.  There is a difference between bad reporting and some secret, Glenn’s Chalkboard ™ plot to steal America (R).

          Every reporter has an opinion and a perspective and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.  Do most reporters lean liberal?  I don’t know.  Maybe, but I’m doubtful.  They seem to give a lot of deference to the powers-that-be in my reckoning.  

          Seems like most (at least old-school) media is corporate owned, and they favor the winner to hedge their bets but seem to push Republican through c4s and 527s and the like.  

          I tend to think ‘issues’ like this are just red-meat fodder and most voters don’t care–if they ever marginally did–about Rev. Jeremiah Wright.  Call me silly, but I think most of us have moved on LB.  

          1. But supposed journalists recommending to each other to just pick someone and call them racist is ethical?  

            The Wright issue doesn’t even matter – it’s the conduct of people who are supposed to be unbiased.

            1. that Obama is somehow illegitimate?   No offense, but it is the particularly ‘toxic’ image of Rev. Wright in the minds of fearful Republicans that provide the connection those who push this story need to incite the suspicious faithful, with their radio dials tuned in.

              It may inflame your personally well-developed ethical code (and I am not really saying whether it shouldn’t or should–you get to decide that) but its potency, such as it is, is its connection with that scary objectionable black preacher.  And I say its not much, other than to a few fringe folks, and yourself of course (albeit likely for different reasons, as noted).  

              1. So in order to deflect attention away from a probably damaging story, impartial journalists encourage each other to just pick someone on the right “who cares” who, and just call them racist.  It doesn’t matter if they’re actually racist, the point is to get rid of this story (as an impartial journalist).

                Seriously?  Twitty?

                1. I think this is the one that’s really gonna sink the Obama ship.

                  It sounds distasteful on its surface, but having no more information than your link to a blog-with-an-agenda I also figure I probably don’t have all the details.

                  Did these things that were suggested happen?  If so, then I would say that is unethical.  Were they just suggested in an email back and forth?  Was it banter?  Ethics get a lot murkier there.  But, as I said, maybe you are on to the Big One.  The people awake.

                  1. That’s not the point.  This isn’t supposed to do anything to sink Obama now, but we’re supposed to rely on the press to bring us the news, not an agenda.

                    1. that you disdain Fox News too, right? If ever an agency had an agenda, that’s one that can’t be denied.

                    2. as I see emails making it clear that news reporters conspired to fulfill an agenda, then yes.

                      Someone I guess sold the whole listserv to Big Government. This probably isn’t the juiciest thing we’re going to get out of it.

                    3. The reporters commented on their entries.  It’s legit.

                      Show me something like that on the news portion of Fox and I’m with you.

                    4. start accepting entries from Media Matters and I’ll accept blog posts from sites like this one. You can’t have it both ways.

                    5. As soon…

                      as I see emails making it clear that news reporters conspired to fulfill an agenda, then yes.

                      You’re not really that blind, are you, to suggest that Fox news doesn’t work to fulfill an agenda? Seriously? You need an email to see that?

                      But since history started on the day of Obama’s inauguration and nothing that happened before that day matters, you may be forgetting McCain’s campaign of lies. But don’t worry, google is you friend. Here’s a couple of links:

                      John McCain and the Lying Game

                      Campaign of lies disgraces McCain

                      Blizzard of Lies

                      There are many more – some 8 million google hits. It’s all well documented.

                      So what? Well, all of us want to know the context of quotes. Here you have some. There’s no wonder that many journalists were pissed off by the continual parade of lies being spread by the right in the last campaign. And yet NOW you’re shocked that there was any backlash by journalists that supported Obama.

                      But until you see an email you’ll blithely pretend that no such thing occurs over there at Fox.


        2. For those that say they are an independent unbiased source this is, I think, totally wrong. For bloggers though that wear their bias on their sleeve (like HuffPo), then I think this is fine.

  5. Directly taken from a newspaper in Denver that may or may not have the intials DP…

    Denver resident Jessica Posner was named Monday the top world-changer among all Americans under 25 by the Do Something Awards, in a live celebrity-filled broadcast on VH1.

    Posner, who was selected among five finalists in internet voting, won $100,000 for Shining Hope for Communities, an organization she co-founded that last August opened the first free school for girls in Kibera, Africa’s largest slum.

    Posner also has initiated a gardening program, a library, an Internet-ready computer center and introduced ecologically friendly latrines that convert waste to methane gas that can be used for cooking and electricity. Next month, Shining Hope will open Kibera’s first accessible community health center, staffed by a full-time nurse

    Jessica Posner, shown with Kennedy Odede in Kibera, was one of five finalists for the Do Something Awards, which were televised by VH1 on July 19. Posner won $100,000 for her charitable organization. (Wendy Barreto )and part-time doctor.

    Posner, who grew up active in the Denver theater community, turns 24 on Wednesday.

    1. I saw that this morning.

      I’m involved with a ton of different charity things, and I can’t even begin to conceive of the magnitude of what she’s done.


  6. Hi all! I spent last week in tech hell for reasons still unknown. Blew our router, and 2 computers are still acting a little wonky. Also we are trying like crazy people to get our bookshop, which we wanted to open at the beginning of JUNE (thank you EVER so much, local politics and jerky people!) open by the beginning of August….

    I know there is nothing to be done about the rising tide of flaminess that comes with the “Only Three Weeks Til Primary” special. Except maybe reminding ourselves that things will get better, and we’ve got plenty of good stuff in our lives already.

    Also, there are always those who have it worse. Submitted for your approval, a pic of a little waif TheClone and I picked up at a Las Animas auction on Friday. We went for books and furnishings for the shop, but came home with a Bonus. (That;s what we’re calling him while he’s here.)

    As you can tell by his size when compared with a phone handset, this guy is both skeletal and tiny, yet going by his teeth, he’s an adult! I’m happy to report he is responding well to antibiotics, food, and acquiescence to his almost continual requests for petting.

    Voting is important. But so are other things in life. Don’t let yourself get bogged down in negativity!

    1. but a lot older, and now more grey, black and white than grey and black.  She is 17 now and runs the house.  Got her from the shelter when she was 11.  Never considered myself a cat person and boy has that changed.

      Yes, there are many more important things in life than politics.  Congratulations on Bonus !

      1. Because we already have five. We don’t need six…or even 5 1/2. (I keep telling TheClone he is not a baby, he is a Little Cat Person.)

        Not that it isn’t tempting, because he has a great personality. On the ride home he perched on the armrest where he could touch both of us and just snoozed along enjoying the A/C. And the way he follows our Lab/Pyr mix around like a tiny shadow is a hoot!

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