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October 10, 2019 06:57 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“What you don’t do can be a destructive force.”

–Eleanor Roosevelt


27 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. I just sent an e-mail to the news director at KREX TV in Grand Junction. The subject was the news story KREX has been running since Monday regarding layoffs at Halliburton Industries.

    On Monday, the news reader quoted Halliburton blaming the nationwide layoffs on "market forces"…which is true.

    This morning, they ran the story again. Only this time, the newsreader said the layoffs were caused by SB 181…which is a bald-faced lie. I guess they didn't stop to ask themselves how a Colorado law could affect jobs in Wyoming, New Mexico, and other states

    I await a response from the news director. I will update as things happen…or not.

    1. Update…

      I received a response from the news director at KREX. He said the communications director at Halliburton changed the press release and when challenged  by KREX refused to explain, simply sending out more copies of the altered press release.

      This is typical of OilyBoyz mendacity. 


    2. Duke – a great piece by John Fullerton on the issue: 

      "We're Done!" How's that for a Purpose Statement?

      Since the Paris Climate Agreement, the top 33 global banks have financed nearly $2 Trillion of fossil fuel energy development, when the atmosphere can’t afford to burn what’s already been discovered.  This acceleration, in the face of the Paris pronouncements, was led by none other than JPMorgan, far ahead of its nearest rivals, and winning the distinction of the “Worst in the World” in a comprehensive Rainforest Action Network report on fossil financing.

      And then there’s this thing about Jamie’s “boss.” While Dimon holds the titles of Chairman and CEO, the longstanding and lead outside director of JPMorgan, the closest thing to Dimon’s boss, is a man named Lee Raymond.  That would be the same Lee Raymond that was CEO of Exxon from 1999 to 2005, the years Exxon, together with the Koch Brothers, lead the well-funded and now well exposed climate denial campaign – an act that history will surely judge to be a crime against humanity (and all life).  At the same time, Exxon apparently began raising the level of its offshore oil platforms so they could withstand the expected rising seas.

      Purposeful leadership is about principles not platitudes, and principles worth anything carry costs.  Purposeful leadership is action like Ed Stack’s on guns.

  2. For the occasion of Dana Loesch’s appearance on the CU campus, I have a ticket but I will not be attending. My absence is my protest against her and her message. I hope that the room is empty.

    I have no doubt that part of her screed will include the declaration that the right to bear arms is ‘fundamental’ but she will have glossed over the fact that the 2010 SCOTUS ruling that she relies on was decided by only one vote; hardly sufficient support for anything to be declared to be ‘fundamental’. 

    The forces of nature such as gravitation are ‘fundamental’. The speed of light is ‘fundamental’. The right to bear arms is temporary. It is subject to a poll of a designated group of humans at a specific point in time. But even its temporary nature has paved the way for years of propaganda from gun lobbyists and manufacturers and has enabled their outsized profits. In line with its temporary nature, it will eventually be overturned by yet another poll of fallible humans and the industry will lose its protections from liability; the lobbyists and propagandists such as Loesch will move on to their next grift.

    Loesch demeans the term when she attaches it to her own cause, but SCOTUS is the source of that sellout. I suggest that Loesch turn her focus to the truly fundamental needs of clean air, clean water and a safe food. Her bullets are neither on the menu, nor are they ‘fundamental’.

    1. For those who care, even Justice Scalia, writing in the 5-4 majority, was not an absolutist gun nut. His opinion, available online at, includes:

      Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. … Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

      We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.”

      1. It was Alito who labeled RKBA as 'fundamental'.

        Beyer dissented and wrote:

        "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense. There has been, and is, no consensus that the right is, or was, 'fundamental.'

        Alito was apparently given to misplaced fundamentalist grandiosity. Beyer was much more grounded in reality and reason.

    1. They didn't foreget – they never knew in the first place.

      AWD doesn't really help stop
      If you stop on snow/ice- it will take a while longer to get started 
      following distance should increase
      Your headlights may not help you see- they help you be more visible
      torque is useless 


        1. A similar joke amongst us pilots when arguing single engine v. twin engine: the second engine generally only takes you to the scene of the accident. 

  3. Uh, guys?

    Trump adviser gives conflicting accounts on whether Chinese offered information about Hunter Biden

    Michael Pillsbury, one of President Trump’s China advisers, publicly contradicted himself on whether he had received information on Hunter Biden during a visit to Beijing shortly after Trump called on China to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden.

    “I got a quite a bit of background on Hunter Biden from the Chinese,” Pillsbury was quoted as telling the London-based Financial Times.

    Hours later, Pillsbury appeared on C-SPAN and denied having made the comment. “I haven’t spoken to the Financial Times for a month,” he said.

    But Demetri Sevastopulo, the FT’s Washington bureau chief, responded by making public on Twitter their Oct. 9 email exchange. It showed that Pillsbury had sent the journalist an email reading: “Actually I got a quite a bit of background on Hunter Biden from the Chinese.”

    Pillsbury, 74, gave The Washington Post an even different explanation later on Thursday.

    “Most everything I learned was already public or well-known,” he said.

  4. Please someone turn off the news hose.

    1. Oops. 

  5. In Putin’s endless quest to make the US the laughingstock of the world (while also bolstering Russia’s economy and territory), Lindsay Graham was an unwitting (maybe) accomplice.

    Back in August, two Russians prank-called Senator Graham, and got him to say on tape that the Kurds were a “threat” to Turkey. Graham also teased the callers about Trump’s interest in a gold trader’s corruption case, which Turkish President Erdogan wanted Trump to intervene on. Rachel Maddow featured the Turkish corruption case  on her 10/9/18 show. It was part of why Tillerson was fired. 

    So of course , following the phone call, Lindsay immediately notified the FBI about a possible quid pro quo and that people were soliciting the President’s intervention, right?
    Nyet .

    And Graham continues to blather about sanctions and how those darn Turks better watch their step. 

    Others encourage Senator Graham to take advantage of National Coming Out Day , so that whatever “kompromat” Putin is using loses its power.

    Sure hope Jaime Harrison, Lindsay’s likely Dem opponent in 2020, continues to keep the pressure on

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