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September 28, 2019 06:34 AM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Speaking truth to power is actually a form of loyalty.”

–Richard N. Haass


57 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Good to have Hick in the race!  How else could we get a great Denver Post front page (website) like this:

    Well, I suppose Bennet could be running again…

  2. Apparently, Big Oil is unhappy that the Trump Administration hasn't been able to shred environmental protections fast enough.  They are unable to overcome a minor obstacle — the law.

    At a closed-door meeting this summer, oil and gas industry lawyers criticized the Trump administration's failure to recruit enough qualified people to secure policy victories that would outlast this presidency, according to a recording of the gathering.

    The audio from an Independent Petroleum Producers of America meeting in Colorado Springs, Colo., obtained by the Western Values Project and shared with POLITICO, contains some of the most unvarnished opinion coming from an industry that has been happy with the administration’s talk on oil and gas but frustrated with its results.

    “There is a metric buttload of litigation going on in respect to the regulatory agenda,” D’Angelo said, adding that there were “a lot of early wins for environmental lawsuits.”


  3. As the sound and fury rages inside the Beltway, how is Joe Biden not going to b e collateral damage?  Hunter Biden's expertise seems pretty well confined to alcohol and cocaine addiction before he turns up on the board of this Ukrainian energy company.

    Yeah, looks like influence peddling to me.  Probably he ain't got no influence to peddle, but he must have sold something to the rubes in Ukraine.

    No wonder her Lizziness now leads Biden in key polls.  My heart is still with Hillary but for now, my money is going to Warren.


          1. They don't get much older or much whiter than Biden.  Only Bernie — who would be 87 if he served two terms as president — is older, and that by only a year.

      1. No one who qualifies to receive social security should be considered qualified to be president.

        Where is Dave Barnes who feels strongly about this……

        1. Or drive a car.
          Or fly a plane.
          Or breed.
          Or drink more than slightly less than two.

          It's not about age.Or gender or race.
          It's about demeanor and epistemology. And not being a douche weasel.


        2. Dave (age 70.9) is in Piran, Slovenia spending your contributions to his Social Security. Next up is Ljubljana for 6 days.

          I am not sure thar The Dumpster qualifies for Social Security due to the manner in which he "earned" his income.

    1. Biden's not my choice, but he will have a great chance to tee up something he likes talking about (his family), link to values (we're innocent, and I continue to support my son), and directly oppose Trump (he's coming after me because I've beaten him seventy polls in a row).

      We've proven we don't elect people on their parenting skills over and over again.  We don't elect people based on their parents (unless your name is Bush), their siblings (especially if your name is Bush), or your children.  I'm betting Biden & his staff can push Hunter concerns to a net zero.

      Warren's rise has little to do with Biden's bob-bob-bobbing along.

      1. Warren's rise has coincided with Bernie's decline. The lefties have figured out that they have a better of getting a nominee of their liking if they don't split their votes.

              1. easy.. .

                wait, … what?

                We should start a bowling team. Or volleyball cause it’s basically the same.
                I’m not saying we actually do the thing – but we get shirts and get together on a regualr calendar.

                And we go to drinking liberally as a team. With shirts.

                  1. Speaking of things that suck: Ride of the Valkyries in a medley with The Internationale!  Sigh.  R&R is a lot closer to the American middle than you and the Bernie Bros., Kiwi.

                    1. Who, me?

                      The American middle is low- very low information, prediabetic, with a  willingness to be addicted to opiods, football, and vaping. They like big to huge SUVs, large debt and jokes abut hooters and toilet functions.

                      ok- I got no dog inth at fight and R&R can win.

          1. You don't have to be a hen to recognize an egg.

            Besides, it helps since you people are so far over the edge that you cannot see the middle anymore.

            You really are a lot like the Tea Party folk. They see themselves as sort of main stream and centrist as a bunch of Commies.

            Keep pan handling for the free stuff, Duke.

            1. Sure, R&R – You are the old sage in the middle of the road who reads all minds and hearts, and speaks for all foolish extremists. You make up silly names and silly opinions for those you choose to mock and belittle. It works great for you, since you never need  listen to, or be challenged by, an idea outside of your comfort zone. 

              Problem is, you don’t speak for the majority of American Democratic voters- not on impeachment, not on the Green New Deal, not on healthcare and Medicare for All. You speak for those who are comfortable and fear change. 

              That has value in public discourse, but stop pretending that you understand, or can articulate, any other ideas. As Duke said, you suck at it.

              1. yeah… but … sucking at it is not the standard of whether we should do it.
                Dancing, running, staying sober, and a lot of stuff I suck at I'm still gonna do. Well not dancing, but not because I suck – but because my knees run that part of my life.

              2. Thirty-four minutes….

                Congratulations, Pomposa, I didn't expect you to hold your tongue for that long before chiming in.

                I speak for myself. I make the observation that Sanders' numbers are dropping as Warren's increase, that Sanders and Warren appeal to many of the same people and promise the same stuff to those constituencies. You are free to agree or disagree with it.

                Maybe I am wrong and it's purely a coincidence.

                1. La Pomposa herself is an ex Bernie Bro who deserted to Warren after realizing it would be nice to have a candidate with a fighting chance of still being alive on election day!

                2. I speak for myself. I make the observation that Sanders' numbers are dropping as Warren's increase, that Sanders and Warren appeal to many of the same people and promise the same stuff to those constituencies. You are free to agree or disagree with it.

                  Hold on to your jaw -I agree. Can’t speak for your imaginary friend, Pomposa. 

                  If that was really all you had to say, then say it, without the digs and jabs. Leave all the nasty “You people are” and “You all think” out of it. If you can.

            2. That…in a nutshell… is what makes your whole POV fucked up. The generalities you throw around are almost always inaccurate.

              Free Stuff? Hogwash! You have no idea what motivates people like me. You have eyes that do not see and ears that do not listen…and that creates a heart that does not care. Do the words at Lady Liberties' feet still matter? 


              1. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddles masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse from your teeming shore."

                What the hell does that have to do with the government providing Medicare for All, even those who don't want it?

        1. The rise of Warren and decline for Sanders is not a neat "this candidate's supporters headed for this other candidate" type situation.

          Both Sanders and Biden have lost a modest number of voters. It hurts Sanders more because he did not have as many to lose. Warren has picked up more potential supporters than a simple abandoning one candidate for another situation. She is getting a bit from all the groups. The undecideds, the other major candidates, and the minor candidates.

          Likewise the few who are cooling to Biden and Sanders are doing lots of different things. Going to Warren, going back to undecided, and even changing to some of the minor candidates who are gaining support.

          Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Booker, Yang, and Klobuchar all picked up support after the last debate according to 538. In the same article they note that support is not always binary. Biden and Warren overlap with many other candidates and with each other.

  4. Biden is a nice guy, but has a serious problem – the gaffes; foot in mouth, tone deaf, getting confused at times (normal for his age), and not able to relate to the young voters.  Warren is going to be hit all the time for her everything that the greedy old perverts can make into an attack sound bite.

    I am still sticking to Harris and Klobuchar as my choices.

    1. I expect that Biden will probably stay in too long for Harris or Klobuchar to end up as the nominee. If he dropped out in the next three or four months I think they would have an opening. Or if Warren dropped out unexpectedly in the same time frame.

    2. Those are my top choices too, Nasty, albeit in reverse order, Amy then Kamala.  But Warr en may be third on my list but she's on it, and the only one moving the needle.  Rock me Mama like a wagon wheel!

    3. They will portray Warren as an angry old schoolmarm (she was a teacher), with a sprinkle of her Harvard-Yard in her background (like Mike Dukakis), a dash of her claim of Native American ancestry (identity politics run amok), extreme idea (Medicare for All, want it or not) and with the voice of every Middle American man's first ex-wife (like Hillary).

      By the way, all things being equal, she is not bad and I will vote for her in the general election if she is nominated. But I also voted for Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and Hillary, for all the good it did.

      I'm sticking with Klobuchar as my first choice, Mayor Pete as my second.


          1. If she wins the nomination, I expect a hard tack to Starboard to bring Warren back to the center.  But it's also why Amy and Kamala remain my top two choices.  If it is warren as the nominee, I'd like Edgyboots as veep — If only to signal a turn to center.

            I guess it is a commentary on the states of our politics today that putting our first openly gay candidate on the ticket would be seen as a bow to the center!


  5. I didn't read about Trump's talk at the UN last week.  Roger Cohen of the New York Times did, however:

    Trump is disturbed and growing more so. The narcissist cannot bear not getting away with whatever he wants.

    Now the shrieking maniac is shrieking louder, shrieking of spies and treason, and a good chunk of the United States will shriek with him. They will redouble their fury against the press, in line with what Trump said at the United Nations this week: “These animals in the press. They’re animals actually. Some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet.” And, “They’re scum, many of them are scum.”

    Trump also said: “I didn’t do anything. I don’t know if I’m the most innocent person in the world.” He continued: “I just said I’m the most presidential except for possibly Abe Lincoln when he wore the hat — that was tough to beat. Honest Abe, when he wore that hat, that was tough to beat. But I can’t do that, that hat wouldn’t work for me. Yeah, I have better hair than him.”

    You heard that right.

    1. Yes, truly losing whatever passes for a mind with #Trump. We know the 25th amendment will not work. I'm picturing just plain old law enforcement hauling him off at some point because of the imminent danger he presents to himself or others. It might actually be a good mental exercise to imagine how it plays out as he goes downhill even further. I hope someone in a position of power is doing this . . .

  6. In case you missed this most recent Giuliani gem yesterday . . . 

    In an interview on Friday, Mr. Giuliani defended his efforts to push the Ukrainians to investigate Mr. Biden, his son, Hunter Biden, and others. He asserted that he was not doing it to try to influence the 2020 presidential election, though Mr. Biden is a leading contender for the Democratic nomination to challenge Mr. Trump.

    I was doing it to dig out information that exculpates my client, which is the role of a defense lawyer,” he said.

    How a Shadow Foreign Policy in Ukraine Prompted an Impeachment Inquiry

    . . . ’cuz it’s just law school 101 — the best way to defend your innocent client, who did absolutely nothing wrong, is to go digging for exculpatory evidence months before the event he didn’t do but will eventually be accused of?  Duh!

    I’m thinking that history will probably record that it was his insane Colonel Klink defense attorney who was most responsible for Ttump's convictions?

    1. You can just hear Trump's lackey Mike Pompeo yelling "I need dirt people, and I need it now!"

      The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said.

      As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials. Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.

      Apparently ex post facto regulations aren't unconstitutional.  But let no debunked conspiracy theory go unexhumed.

      Despite the findings of United States intelligence agencies and the Justice Department that Russia was responsible for interfering in the 2016 election, Mr. Trump was driven to seek proof that the meddling was linked to Ukraine and forces hostile to him, even fixating on a fringe conspiracy theory suggesting that Hillary Clinton’s missing emails might be found there.


      1. So Rudy went to Ukraine on a double mission. Looking for Biden dirt and a hidden server.

        One of the more astute analysts in DC is Johnathan Turley. He said, this morning, all the Dems have to do is connect the "quid" with the pro quo. Can you say, John Bolton?

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