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September 25, 2019 06:59 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.”



36 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. Caution:  . . .

    Caution:  A memorandum of a Telephone Conversation [TELCON] is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.  The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as a conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.  The word “inaudible” is used to inducate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

    . . . this self-congratulatory screed is probably likely mostly more just the most recent yet another today’s example of Ttumpian horseshit.

    Hmmmm . . . 

    . . . looks like another note from John Barron’s Donnie’s mommieex-wifedoctorAG, Sharpie-enabled, stable-genius addled mind?

    1. what- it's going to come down to another recording?

      What could possibly go wrong.
      Besides, have you seen or heard the whistle blower  can't be trusted

      Flynn is taking the 5th. 
      Fed is propping up the overnight credit markets.
      Iran needs some special attention.

      It's not what it looks like

      besides, Obama did way worse.
      And her emails.

    2. Dio: according to a guest on Lawrence O'Donnell's MSNBC show last night, there are at least three notetakers from NSC and maybe more. They get together afterwards to compare their notes and develop the written transcript.

      The guest; last name of Pfeiffer, I think; managed the Situation Room, where the note takers are located, during part of the Obama administration and also held a similar high ranking position in the G.W. Bush administration. 

  2. Why the House Democratic Caucus Was Able to Move So Rapidly Toward Impeachment

    Swing district freshmen Democrats known as front-liners, meanwhile, had spent the last few weeks vocally  decrying the pressure on them to call for impeachment, claiming it was putting them in a political jam. Democrats were debating publicly whether the hearings Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., was running at his Judiciary Committee were or were not in fact the launch of impeachment proceedings. Standing athwart the tide of impeachment, yelling stop, was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. It wasn’t her fault that the process had become a fiasco, Pelosi told her colleagues in one meeting. In her opinion, Nadler should have held Lewandowski in contempt “right then and there.”

    But there was a bigger problem, Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told his colleagues that day. Raskin, the highest-ranking progressive on the periphery of leadership, is a constitutional attorney and had long been calling for impeachment on principle. But politics now mattered too, he argued, and the party’s passivity was causing real political pain for rank-and-file members of Congress, particularly those holding back support of impeachment to honor the party leadership’s opposition to it. In order to placate a small handful of front-liners — perhaps as few as seven or eight — the entire party was being dragged down and routinely humiliated by Trump’s contempt for the rule of law.

    That grassroots anger was translating into primary challenges, he noted, and needlessly furious constituents. Rep. Cheri Bustos, the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and a champion of doing nothing when it came to Trump, had recently counted as many as 111 primaries, far more than a typical cycle.

    1. If Br'er Trump was accustomed to high visibility briar patches and had the intelligence of Joel Chandler Harris's rabbit, I'd worry a great deal more.  If Nancy Pelosi was as impetuous as Br'er Fox, I might be concerned, too.

      If some matter was going to be resolved by the testimony of Br'er Trump, the individual who has been examined in a large number of depositions, I'd worry more.

      But the reality — Trump hasn't been good in political theater setting. He isn't as smart as a rabbit. Pelosi is not likely to do much of anything because Trump asks. And Trump is going to be judged by recorded actions for the most part, not his incoherent speaking.


      1. The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. " 

        Was he really asking a foreign head of state to help him acquire the DNC server?


        Sure Biden, blah blah blah

        But can we please have some Republican leadership?
        How about Senator Romney announce his candidacy? Or any eligible Republican with a pulse and the tiniest bit of patriotism, preferrably one who has name rec and could self fund.

  3. The thin thread of reality that tethers Joe Biden to Jane & Joe Six Pack and blue color labor is unraveling. Soon the KOOKS will add Joe Biden’s name to those who are not above the law along with Trump. Biden will not make it to the first primary.

    Usher in the Communist wing of the Democratic Party. Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Beto, Harris, Spartacus and the others will wage a scorched earth policy against private property and individual responsibility.

    The only Democrat capable of competing against Trump is Tulsi Gabbard.

    Prepare the way for Trump’s re-election and rejoice.

    1. Hahahahahahhaha.
      Good one.

      Pretty sure this was pitched as a sitcom back when. But they went with Hogan's Heroes or Gilligan's Island.

      BTW – Gabbard wants a full pardon for Snowden – shes done

      What would be really funny is if your idol is re-elected and just in time to get impeached and convicted.

    2. The thin thread of reality that tethers Joe Biden Donald Trump to Jane & Joe Six Pack and blue color labor is unraveling. Soon the KOOKS will add Joe Biden’s Donald Trump's name to those who are not above the law along with Trump  Hillary Clinton. Biden Trump will not make it to the first primary reelection.

      Usher in the Communist Fascist wing of the Democratic Republican Party. Warren Pence, Sanders Cotton, Buttigieg Bolton, Beto McConnell, Harris McCarthy, Spartacus  Chtulu and the others will wage a scorched earth policy against private property and individual responsibility.

      Prepare the way for Trump’s re-election removal and rejoice.



    3. Seriously Pfruit, up your game. Your bff came in here with guns-a-blazin’, calling people faggots and using a pseudoname akin to a criminal offense. If you want to be taken seriously in this forum (like Fluffy) you gotta reinvent yourself. Cute dog pics just don’t cut it anymore for you patriots. 

      1. Blowman, you of all people know there is nothing serious in this forum. A bunch of faceless avatars taking advantage to be ill mannered, rude and crude because they are cowards. 

        And I have plenty of cute cat pictures also. Reminds me; RIP Bluecat. He/She/It died from a horrible dose of reality.

        Make yourself useful and answer this question. Is there any difference between CBD oil from one seller to the next? Perhaps we can send a 55 gal drum to Duke so he can dip in it. Can’t hurt.

        Oh and I have no idea who you think my bff is.

        1. Blowman, you of all people know there is nothing serious in this forum. A bunch of faceless avatars taking advantage to be ill mannered, rude and crude because they are cowards. 


          If that's the case, you fit right in here.

        2. Now, now, Pfruit, sticks and stones 

          My advice in CBD oil is to always check your COAs. Pesticide and heavy-metal residuals can take their toll on mental health. Not to worry about Duke. I’ll make sure he only gets the best. 

          Yes, your bff I’m referring to is that weirdo in the MAGA Speedo that we affectionately refer to as Fluffy in this forum.  

          1. Seems that Pear doth protest too much. Can't have credibility accusing people here of rudeness and ill manners when Pear does the same.

            Your “horrible dose of reality” comes, Pear, when you finally realize that Trump truly is a non-conservative grifter, and con man.

          2. I still don't think Moddy is Polis raped me.  Moddy, odious as some of his posts are, has never used slurs like "faggot." And while Moddy is no Shakespeare, IEatShitEveryTuesday ( the real name of PolisRapedMe) can't manage even basic punctuation.

            My guess for IEatShitEveryTuesday would be Dudley Brown.


              1. RandR, again, while Carnegie parroted the far right line, he fancied himself as an intellectual.  I just don't see him using foul language like "faggot," which needlessly alienates readers.  Plus, he had fairly good punctuation.  

                Again, I think IEatShitEveryTuesday was a one-off troll, probably Dudley or one of his minions.  There is something about gun worship that attracts the really stupid ones.

    4. Wait- labor is now colored blue? Well, unionized workers do tend to vote Democratic…..and isn’t “Jane and Joe Six Pack” an insulting stereotype about drunken working class people? Could you be mocking the MAGA minions?

      Pear- are you moving to the dark side now? See you on the barricades, comrade!

      1. I wrestled with that post a while before deciding he meant "blue collared" instead of "blue colored." As leader of our loyal oposition, Pear has many virtues – – but spelling isn't one of them.

        1. Agreed his spelling is clearly that of a simpleton, but his overt xenophobia is that of a studied professional . . . 

          . . . he could have just as likely been using his Pearlish MAGA-FOX-dumphuck dialect for sad African American [workers]?

  4. Dateline — really soon, now . . .

    . . . in totally bigly unrelated not-fake news:

    Ukraine Receives Funds Ttump Obama Illegally Blocked (plus a little goodwill extra for their inconvenience)


    Also, bigly unrelated today:

    Ttump Meets With Ukraine’s President and Denies Pressuring Him to Investigate Biden

    Hey, for $391+ Million Cory Gardner would be nuzzy-wuzzling for Ttump, too! . . .

    Anyone know, do they ever award a Nobel prize for the world’s worst blackmailer???

  5. Astral Twins and their parallel fates?

    Trump and Johnson on the Brink

    The American and British leaders meet their nemesis. It’s called the law.

    To see them together in New York, the two charlatans, after all their nationalist-revival shenanigans, encountering the quiet force of the law was an exquisite thing. I am not sure I have ever experienced Schadenfreude in purer form.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying President Trump had “seriously violated the Constitution” and a formal impeachment inquiry would therefore begin. Lady Hale, the president of Britain’s highest court, telling Prime Minister Boris Johnson that his advice to the Queen to prorogue Parliament was “unlawful, void and of no effect.”

    That two dignified women delivered the messages on the same day to these brothers in boorishness — men-children who have made a mockery of the special relationship between Britain and the United States — seemed particularly apt.

    Trump’s assault on truth, the press, institutions, civility, and the law has been relentless. His unfitness for office has been so glaring as to be breathtaking. As Stephen Burbank, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, wrote, “There comes a time when strategic political calculations must yield to principle if pragmatism is not to entail complicity.”

    An important lesson is this: It takes independent institutions to make the law meaningful and hold the executive to account. That is why dictatorships, or illiberal systems like Hungary’s, seek to suppress them.

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