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August 21, 2019 06:57 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful.”

–Edward R. Murrow


24 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. Economic numbers during Obama administration: 

    good numbers: fake
    bad numbers real

    Economic numbers during Bush/Trump administrations:

    good numbers: real
    bad numbers fake

    Murrow is long gone.

  2. Not enough signatures to recall Polis? They just won’t turn them in, rather than admit to a failed effort. The rationale is that if a successful recall effort is organized , and someone has signed on an unsuccessful petition, both signatures are invalidated.

    Yeah….right. This was always about fundraising and list-building. 

    If the signatures are turned in by the latest Dismiss Polis crowd, look for them around September 6th. 

        1. Can’t you just picture Fluffy in granny’s basement wearing his finest blue-stained dress and thinking to himself, “we have those libtards right where we went them!!”

  3. Here's a little note concerning one of the private contractors that led Candi CdeBaca to inspire a vote to cancel their contract.  Just so there is no misunderstanding about who we're dealing with:

    More than 200 former inmates are suing a private prison contractor who they say “utterly failed” them during Hurricane Harvey, allegedly leaving the men in a flooded halfway house in Houston surrounded by toxic waste and without food, clean water or medical care.

    Despite the “barbaric” conditions, according to the lawsuit, the men couldn’t leave the premises because officials told them it would be a violation of their parole.

    “It was a total disaster,” said Henry Thigpen, one of the roughly 500 parolees who weathered the storm at the Southeast Texas Transitional Center before officials sent them all back to prison. “They left us there to fend for ourselves.”

    Attorneys for GEO Group, the massive private prison contractor that runs the eastern Harris County facility, denied the allegations in court filings but declined to offer any additional comment to the Houston Chronicle.

  4. I have to go with the Republican pundit on this one:

    First, Medicare for all is totally unnecessary. If you give people the option of selecting Medicare, then all the problems described by proponents of Medicare for all go away.

    Those people won’t get surprise bills. They won’t have to hassle with insurance companies.

    And finally, a nominee who avoids Medicare for all makes it that much easier to oust Trump. Plenty of voters are tired of gigantic, unfulfilled promises to reinvent the Affordable Care Act, which they finally have figured out and like. (Thanks to Trump, the ACA still draws close to majority support.) You shift the health care debate back where it should be: Trump tried to take away health care once; if re-elected, is there any doubt he will do it?

    1. I dunno’ . . . 

      Those people won’t get surprise bills. They won’t have to hassle with insurance companies.

      . . . Something about that just sounds so downright unAmerican??

        1. Or . . . 

          . . . you could choose not to.  Ta-dah!

          That’s what allowing it to become an option kinda’ means, huh?  If you want, you could still choose the same good ‘ol Murican “system” that’s the “greatest” (fraud? Pain in the ass? Waste of money? . . whatever?) in the entire world (except for most of the rest of the civilized world, that is — Denmark, included)

          Of course, I could be wrong. I mean, look at the millions and millions of Americans over age 65 who can’t wait for the chance to finally quit Medicare, and go back to our world-beating system of private coverage???!


          1. Medicare works for the geezertariat because we paid taxes into it for 40 years before we got a dime's worth of benefit, Dio.

            The problem is how to make it work for people who haven't paid their dues.

            Personally, I'd go full Medicare for all — with richies allowed to pay for private or supplemental policies if they want.  

            I'd pay for that with a stiff value added tax, like.most euros do.

            The problem is that Congress won't pass such a tax.   Too many people want something for nothing.

            It's not hard to see what we need to do.  

            But getting that done is the hard part.

            If you have any ideas, I'm all ears.

            1. Go pester and poke at somebody else, Bob; I’ve no interest in playing with you when you’re off your meds and acting up here . . . 

              . . . I will point out that R&R and I weren’t bantering about Medicare buy-in funding (of course, it’s going to have to be paid for . . .).  R&R wants people to believe that ridiculous meme that dealing with “the government” with Medicare coverage would be so, so much worse than dealing with today’s for-profit insurers.

              Hope you feel better, soon.


    1. Whodda thunk it?  (Walks to nearest brick wall, bangs head against it for 15 minutes. Inserts ear plugs and glumly awaits the strains of “Ride of the Valkyries.” La Pomposa will not be pleased!)

        1. Yeah.  But Duke will limit his attack to 100 words or so, 48 of which will be "oily boyz."

           La Pomposa will go on for days and days.  It won't be prettysad

        2. You're right. He is a lying, opportunistic, Fossilonian. There are several qualified candidates who don't have the handicap of being faced with convincing front range residents they will do ANYTHING to protect them from petroleum poison. Frackenlooper deserves the appellation and has an uphill battle to convince anyone he will fight for their air over Anadarkos' profits.

          If you (you, too V.) want to go ad hominem with me, I am happy to accomodate you. If you think insulting me advances your case, you aren't nearly as bright as I thought.

          John Hickenlooper is not much different from Cory Gardner. I suspect that is the very reason you support him. 


          1. Duke, I am a great admirer of you as one who fights for overly liberal values in the Rocky soil of Mesa County.  But with a nephew and brother in law who work hard and honorably in the energy industry, I don't share your demonization of moderates like Hick.

            But you are true blue in the end, and that does it for me.

            Pax Vobiscum

            (and peace and love to the Gassy Girlz)

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