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June 13, 2019 07:25 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit.”

–Bertrand Russell


20 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. USC 52
    (a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—

    1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

    A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

    But Trump says so what? Laws don't apply to me and I would do it again.
    Someone should find the video of the guy he shot on 5th Ave. It won't matter – but the video should be in the Smithsonian.

    C'mon Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, or Arizona.

    Bill Weld for President.

    1. Will some supporter of the OD(Orange Destruction) please come on this thread and tell me how this is OK? Please tell me how the OD is not a fucking traitor. What does it take?

      It is OK with you Powerful Pear? Don't you claim to be a patriot…excuse me…a Patriot? Fluffy? You good with the Commander in Chief of our military inviting foreign governments to spy on us as long as they can provide dirt on his enemies?

      Impeach him. Arrest him. Put him in jail. He is a criminal and his administration is a criminal enterprise. Congress…stop talking…ACT!

      1. Something needs to scare the Democrats to their core – the Republicans are beyond saving. Congress needs a figurative bomb dropped on them. 

    2. It might not be treason (yet), but failure to uphold his oath of office is pretty much a given:

      Jonathan Chait accurately summarizes Trump’s position:

      Trump continues to show every sign of hoping and expecting to benefit from foreign collusion in 2020. In May, he intended to send Rudy Giuliani to Ukraine to pressure the government to supply dirt on Joe Biden. He and his ally, Mitch McConnell, are blocking measures (including ones with bipartisan support) to help safeguard elections against foreign attacks and social-media propaganda. His message to Russia, or any other government that wants a close relationship with him, is obvious: Do anything you can to help me win.


      1. Acting in his own interests in violation of the constitution isn't treason? Well…it should be.

        The OD is set on subverting the Constitution in order to retain power. Give him 18 months more…we may not be able to stop him. Congress needs to act. The people need to make them.

        Impeach T***p! 

        End the GOP.

        1. And a new charge for the impeachment clauses — neglecting to enforce the Hatch Act.  A variety of Sad!-ministration staffers.  This week, most visibly, Kellyanne Conway.  Recommendation from the Office of Special Counsel (the one dealing with Federal employees) — remove her.   Kellyanne's response — "Let me know when the jail sentence starts.”

  2. Recall Ganahl! The University of Colorado Regent-at-Large has decided being a player in Colorado's right-wing inner circle is more important than money for universities and colleges – and dissemination of political talking points is more important than higher education. Here's Heidi Ganahl from the No on CC release:

    "As someone who cares deeply about the future of higher education in Colorado, I know Proposition CC will do nothing to lower tuition or provide long-term support for our public universities. While proponents will promise voters that it will solve our higher education funding issues, there are no guarantees in the measure. It simply creates a slush fund that future politicians in the legislature can spend however they like — and in return, voters are expected to permanently give away their refunds."

    1. Regent Ganahl needs to answer the logical follow-up question to her statement of opposition to Proposition CC:  Since she doesn't believe Proposition CC will "lower tuition or provide long-term support for our public universities," what does she believe would accomplish that and what specific policies does she support that will accomplish that.

      As a regent, Ms. Ganahl is aware that compared to 1992, the state of Colorado contributes only 25% of the funds they did then to higher education.. 

      As a CU regent she is also aware that a dozen years ago, the state paid for two thirds of the cost for each student attending our public colleges and universities.  The student and their parents were responsible for one third of the cost.  Today, the student and their parents pay 68% of the cost.  What precipitated that reversal.  In 2010, Colorado's higher education budget was reduced from $800 million to $500 million in one year which of course mandated very large tuition increases just to keep the doors open.

      As a CU regent, she certainly knows the Boulder campus has around $300 million dollars in deferred maintenance to existing campus infrastructure.  Its been deferred because the maintenance has remained unfunded for years. 

      How does she propose to reduce the 68% of the cost now shouldered by each student and their parents unless the state budgets more money for higher education? How does she propose to pay for the deferred maintenance, not only at CU, but at our other public colleges and universities without additional funding?

      Perhaps Proposition CC should earmark funds for higher education but I don't believe Regent Ganahl wants to discuss the facts and figures above because it leads to one conclusion – public higher education in Colorado needs more funding to survive and thrive.

      This is not an abstract issue either.  Seventy percent (70%) of the jobs in our economy require post secondary education.  If we do not properly fund our colleges, universities and trade schools, our economy and standard of living will decline.


      1. What you said, R-36. Plus, her quoted statement is pretty clearly designed to mislead. Of course CC is not a means for long-term funding, since money would only be available in years where TABOR refunds would be available, which is uncertain both regarding whether refunds are available at all and how much money is really at stake. Calling CC a "slush fund" is just messaging, since it does specify that the money would be for K-12, higher ed, and transportation, plus it requires an independent audit. That Ganahl's an ideologue in sheep's clothing should not be news to anyone, but now she's using her "bull pulpit" in attempts to deny her own university system some financial shots in the arm. Who is she really working for?

  3. Gov. Polis announced measures to boost Colorado vaccination rates after opposing immunization legislation earlier this year

    Polis described it as a “third way” to approach the controversial vaccination issue — a way that uses education and outreach to encourage more vaccinating rather than forcing it.


    The mother of an unvaccinated child here in the New York suburbs says eating papaya helps to combat measles. The father of another child who has not been immunized believes that big pharmaceutical companies are paying millions of dollars to doctors, government officials and even judges to bury the truth about vaccine complications.

    Another mother says the souls of her children are on a journey that vaccines would impede. “As a parent, for me, a lot of my job is to just not put extra obstacles in that soul’s way,” she said.

    Bastion of Anti-Vaccine Fervor: Progressive Waldorf Schools

    Yeah, Jared, a fucking pamphlet's really gonna sort this one out.

    1. Who'd have thunk it?!?!?

      Colorado’s worst-in-the-nation measles vaccination rate drops again

      New data from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment for the 2018-2019 school year released Thursday shows immunization rates dropping for four of the five most common vaccinations:

      • Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) dropped from 88.7 percent to 87.4 percent
      • Hepatitis B dropped from 92.1 percent to 90.8 percent
      • Polio dropped from 88.6 percent to 87.2 percent
      • Chickenpox dropped from 87.7 percent to 86.5 percent
      • DTaP rose from 88.7 percent to 90.3 percent
  4. As you know, if you are a Republican, laws are for chumps and losers:

    Federal agency recommends that Kellyanne Conway be removed from service

    The office, which described Conway as a “repeat offender,” wrote: “Ms. Conway’s violations, if left unpunished, would send a message to all federal employees that they need not abide by the Hatch Act’s restrictions. Her actions thus erode the principal foundation of our democratic system—the rule of law.”

    Conway did not respond to a request for comment, "Blah, blah, blah," she said May 29th when she was asked about the Hatch Act by reporters at the White House.



  5. File this under "Yet another article of Impeachment":

    On Tuesday, responding to reports that the murdered half brother of North Korea’s Kim Jong-un was a C.I.A. source, Trump sided with the totalitarian dictator. “I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices,” he said, meaning, as best as anyone could make out, that he wouldn’t let American intelligence spy on his dear homicidal friend.

    1. Line ups are supposed to come out tomorrow.  Those above 2% split between the two nights at random.  Those below split to fill up the count. 

      10 each night … 2 hours, minus commercials, moderators blathering and no doubt other distractions. I figure at best, 8 minutes average per candidate.  That translates to about

      • 1.75 plans from Elizabeth Warren,
      • one-sixth of the Sanders stump speech,
      • 25 vocal pauses and 4 "literally" references for Biden,
      • 4 attacks on "socialism" from Hickenlooper, and
      • one statement for Medicare for America and two against Medicare for All from Bennet.

      Stock up, as you may have to have enough for drinking games two nights in a row.

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